Production of the EOS 5D Mark III Finished? [CR2]

[Woody]

I am most keen on when and what they'll offer for 6D and SL100 replacements.

 

[Perio]

Do we expect a new 16-35 f2.8iii to come as a kit lens?

 

[ahsanford]

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

Because you don't want 50MP?

Because you want usable ISO 12800 shots.
Because you want burst shooting at higher than 5 fps.
Because you want the 1DX II AF system.
Because you want better pixel level performance than a 7D2.

- A

 

[H. Jones]

Do we expect a new 16-35 f2.8iii to come as a kit lens?

The 16-35mm isn't much of a kit lens-- it's far too short. I'm not 100% sure what they'd choose as a kit lens, but the 24-70mm F/4 IS could be it.

Or an upgrade to the 24-105mm F4L IS could be interesting. But that's just speculation.

 

[ahsanford]

The 5DIV is most likely going to be priced at $3200.
Thus, there will be huge gap between the currently discounted 6D and the brand new 5DIV (5DX?).

Such a gap cannot be maintained for long without loss of business.

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).
But if they are planning to do that, the 6DII will likely arrive not long after the 5DIV.

Pretty sure Canon has been through this process many times.

The release process? yes.

The release process with 4 price points in FF DSLRs against all kinds of added competition? I don't believe they have.

Remember, Canon is new to a budget/'starter' FF DSLR -- the 6D was their first, was it not? And since that time, the A7 brand took off, Pentax joined the party and Nikon has two formidable lower/mid-level FF rigs that will make it very hard for a nerfed/underfeatured 6D2 from getting $1,800, let alone $2,200.

So either the 6D2 moves significantly upmarket and starts punching in the middleweight arena like a D750 or Canon will have a hard time maintaining a high price on it.

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

Because you want usable ISO 12800 shots.

It has been well demonstrated that if you downsample to 5D MkIII pixel levels the 5DS/R outperforms the 5D MkIII at 12800 iso.

Because you want the 1DX II AF system.

Neither the 5D MkIII nor the 5DS/R have the 1D X MkII AF, remember the question was "You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?"

Because you want better pixel level performance than a 7D2.

Do you have anything that shows the pixel level performance of the 5DS/R is worse than the 7D MkII, because that isn't what I understood.

 

[ahsanford]

Do we expect a new 16-35 f2.8iii to come as a kit lens?

You don't kit an UWA zoom. Online retailers might bundle it together in a special 'package', but Canon would never do that.

And even though the 5D4 will be a high end tool, I don't see a $1,700 - $2,000 lens ever being kitted with it. More likely we'll see it kitted with the mid-level 24-something F/4L IS lens that costs well under < $1k to make.

Now could they *release the 16-35 f/2.8L III at the same time as the 5D4*? That is entirely possible. Surely, that (or a 24/50/85/135 prime with BR) has got to be one next L lenses we see.

- A

 

[Perio]

Do we expect a new 16-35 f2.8iii to come as a kit lens?

Now could they *release the 16-35 f/2.8L III at the same time as the 5D4*? That is entirely possible. Surely, that (or a 24/50/85/135 prime with BR) has got to be one next L lenses we see.

- A

You phrased it more accurately than I did, thank you

 

[ahsanford]

Because you want usable ISO 12800 shots.

It has been well demonstrated that if you downsample to 5D MkIII pixel levels the 5DS/R outperforms the 5D MkIII at 12800 iso.

Sorry -- I misread the OP. I thought it was "Why buy a 5D4 at $$$$ when you can get a 5DS at $$." My bad. Thanks for the correction.

There's no compelling argument to choose a 5D3 over a 5DS other than +1 fps and lower cost (and perhaps a desire to not fill your memory cards and HDs so quickly). But yes, you are spot on w.r.t. downsampling -- a 5DS is simultaneously a hi-res monster in good light / on a tripod / in a studio and a solid low light rig if you downsample.

I still want a 5D4 far far far more than a 5DS on the assumption that we'll see some 1DX II goodness trickle down, we'll get a better sensor, we'll see a higher framerate, etc.

- A

 

[scottkinfw]

:-[

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

Because you don't want 50MP?

FPS, Focusing, low light performance, a camera for a totally different purpose?

5DIII still an awesome camera, and it will likely be cheaper than a new IV

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

We will make graded improvements and make sure to cripple all video components. We are in denial about the shrinking DSLR market. We do not realize that cameras are already producing images of such detail and quality most people cannot see the difference analogous to 4K vs HD on a large TV.
We are blind to Sony stealing the game away from us in many respects with the A7RII and the FS5 and FS7, and now their lower priced Mirrorless cameras, which are improving rapidly. Oh but our lenses are so fantastic.

What a shame the dual pixel focus good skin tones and lenses could have been a foundation for massive innovation. NOPE. I bet either no 4K or crippled 4K. and very low bit rate HDMI out and maybe not even with audio. Too bad. Loved Canon for years and years. It is not just for my end of the market I feel sad about it is the shrinking DSLR market in general they are not moving to embrace the changes in this market.

Thanks for that Debbie Downer.

 

[In-The-Dark]

I am most keen on when and what they'll offer for 6D and SL100 replacements.

+1 for the 6D replacement with on-chip ADC.

The 16-35mm isn't much of a kit lens-- it's far too short. I'm not 100% sure what they'd choose as a kit lens, but the 24-70mm F/4 IS could be it.

Or an upgrade to the 24-105mm F4L IS could be interesting. But that's just speculation.

How about EF 28-135 IS USM with f/4.0 constant aperture.

 

[-1]

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).

Dream on! ;-p

 

[ahsanford]

How about EF 28-135 IS USM with f/4.0 constant aperture.

Careful what you wish for. Nikon has a 24-120 f/4 VR (i.e. IS) lens like the one you are referring to, but the wheels come off the bus on that thing longer than 70mm or so from what I've read. It's a constant max aperture zoom all right, but you'll still need to stop it down on the longer end.

I'm rather famously against high multiple zooms for IQ reasons (consider I am one of the weirdos who loves the 24-70 f/4L IS USM), but I do respect that folks like the versatility a larger zoom multiple offers.

- A

 

[pwp]

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

5Ds is very much a niche camera, very limited for most professionals and high volume enthusiasts who are going to be happiest with a 5D-X/MkIV in the 22-24 Mp range.

-pw

 

[Maiaibing]

I'm rather famously against high multiple zooms for IQ reasons (consider I am one of the weirdos who loves the 24-70 f/4L IS USM), but I do respect that folks like the versatility a larger zoom multiple offers.

Smart move IMHO if Canon decided to make 24-70 f/4L IS USM the kit lens instead.

 

[JohnUSA]

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).

Dream on! ;-p

Canon refurbished 5D3 cameras are often in this price range or less.

Edit: $2099.00 - http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-5d-mark-iii-body-refurbished

 

[ashmadux]

The 5DIV is most likely going to be priced at $3200.
Thus, there will be huge gap between the currently discounted 6D and the brand new 5DIV (5DX?).

Such a gap cannot be maintained for long without loss of business.

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).
But if they are planning to do that, the 6DII will likely arrive not long after the 5DIV.

Pretty sure Canon has been through this process many times.

The release process? yes.

The release process with 4 price points in FF DSLRs against all kinds of added competition? I don't believe they have.

Remember, Canon is new to a budget/'starter' FF DSLR -- the 6D was their first, was it not? And since that time, the A7 brand took off, Pentax joined the party and Nikon has two formidable lower/mid-level FF rigs that will make it very hard for a nerfed/underfeatured 6D2 from getting $1,800, let alone $2,200.

So either the 6D2 moves significantly upmarket and starts punching in the middleweight arena like a D750 or Canon will have a hard time maintaining a high price on it.

- A

D750 is practically a perfectly specc'ed camera, IMHO. I plan to get one as soon as I win the lotto, so i can actually afford it and a good nikon lens.

Wait..why are u guys looking at me like that? Ruh roh...

 

[whothafunk]

Because you want usable ISO 12800 shots.
Because you want burst shooting at higher than 5 fps.
Because you want the 1DX II AF system.
Because you want better pixel level performance than a 7D2.

- A

Neither 5D3 nor 5DS have 1DX II AF System, so not really sure what you are on about. 6FPS is better than 5, sure, but not so much to write home about. 5DS ISO 12800 downscaled is up there with the 5D3 with even more detail retained + it doesn't have that horrible banding. It supposedly has a somewhat tweaked AF + anti flicker and intelligent VF.

Neither does the job for me, but if I were in the market for buying, 5DS/5DSR would be my choice by far.

 

[Tugela]

We will make graded improvements and make sure to cripple all video components. We are in denial about the shrinking DSLR market. We do not realize that cameras are already producing images of such detail and quality most people cannot see the difference analogous to 4K vs HD on a large TV.
We are blind to Sony stealing the game away from us in many respects with the A7RII and the FS5 and FS7, and now their lower priced Mirrorless cameras, which are improving rapidly. Oh but our lenses are so fantastic.

What a shame the dual pixel focus good skin tones and lenses could have been a foundation for massive innovation. NOPE. I bet either no 4K or crippled 4K. and very low bit rate HDMI out and maybe not even with audio. Too bad. Loved Canon for years and years. It is not just for my end of the market I feel sad about it is the shrinking DSLR market in general they are not moving to embrace the changes in this market.

Not quite sure what you're talking about, the 5D4 has been widely rumored to have DPAF + 4K along with C-Log, and there's no reason that it won't have HDMI audio. DR is vastly improved as far as I've seen on Canon's newest sensors, so I really don't see how Canon is lacking anywhere in these upcoming cameras.

There is also a rumor that the 5D4 has been rebranded as a 6D2. If so, then the original 5D4 concept has been scraped because it would have been to far behind the competition.

My guess is that the 5D4 has been replaced with the 5D5.