Production of the EOS 5D Mark III Finished? [CR2]

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Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).

Dream on! ;-p

Canon refurbished 5D3 cameras are often in this price range or less.

Edit: $2099.00 - http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-5d-mark-iii-body-refurbished

Refurbs are rejected units...

 

[Loswr]

We will make graded improvements and make sure to cripple all video components. We are in denial about the shrinking DSLR market. We do not realize that cameras are already producing images of such detail and quality most people cannot see the difference analogous to 4K vs HD on a large TV.
We are blind to Sony stealing the game away from us in many respects with the A7RII and the FS5 and FS7, and now their lower priced Mirrorless cameras, which are improving rapidly. Oh but our lenses are so fantastic.

What a shame the dual pixel focus good skin tones and lenses could have been a foundation for massive innovation. NOPE. I bet either no 4K or crippled 4K. and very low bit rate HDMI out and maybe not even with audio. Too bad. Loved Canon for years and years. It is not just for my end of the market I feel sad about it is the shrinking DSLR market in general they are not moving to embrace the changes in this market.

Bummer, I guess you won't be buying a 5DIV. That's okay, lots of people will – probably far more than will buy Sony FF MILCs.

It's always amusing when people state or imply that Sony/Olympus/etc. focus on mirrorless because it's innovative or they are 'embracing changes in the market', when in reality they abandoned the dSLR market because they just couldn't compete with Canon and Nikon.

 

[tiger82]

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

Because the 5DS sucks in low light, high ISO?

 

[slclick]

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).

Dream on! ;-p

Canon refurbished 5D3 cameras are often in this price range or less.

Edit: $2099.00 - http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-5d-mark-iii-body-refurbished

Refurbs are rejected units...

I just woke up to read this. Now is this any way to start your photography day? Please....

 

[Memdroid]

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

Because the 5DS sucks in low light, high ISO?

Absolutely not true. It cleans up way better than the 5D3 and retains at least double the details with a lot less color noise.

 

[jcarapet]

Looking forward to seeing if they can impress enough for me to think about switching. I am at 40k clicks in a year and a half of a 5d3, so nowhere near needing to replace. Don't even really need more fps though it would be nice.

 

[docsmith]

The time frame in this case puts an announcement coming after NAB 2016 which runs from April 16 – April 21.

Makes sense to me. I fall into the camp of thinking that Canon will want to space out their releases to minimize confusion and cannibalization of sales. 1DX II ships in April. Get all the pre-orders filled by end of April, reviews come out end of April, second wave of sales (those waiting on reviews, blogs, real world use, etc) in May-July. Announce 5D x/IV sometime between June and September with shipping in the early fall. Then release the 6DII with shipping before Christmas to take advantage of the hype that all the preceding releases generated.

Exciting year if this plays out like that. I have money being saved. But my 5DIII really does not leave me wanting for much.

 

[JonAustin]

Off-topic post #1:

@ scottkinfw: Re: your signature: "sek Cameras: 5D III, 5D II, EOS M Lenses: 24-70 2.8 II IS, 24-105 f4L, 70-200 f4L IS, 70-200 f2.8L IS II, EF 300 f4L IS, EF 400 5.6L, 300 2.8 IS II, Samyang 14 mm 2.8 Flashes: 600EX-RT X 2, ST-E3-RT"

Where did you find that 24-70 2.8 II IS?

 

[JonAustin]

Off-topic post #2

How about EF 28-135 IS USM with f/4.0 constant aperture.

Careful what you wish for. Nikon has a 24-120 f/4 VR (i.e. IS) lens like the one you are referring to, but the wheels come off the bus on that thing longer than 70mm or so from what I've read. It's a constant max aperture zoom all right, but you'll still need to stop it down on the longer end.

I'm rather famously against high multiple zooms for IQ reasons (consider I am one of the weirdos who loves the 24-70 f/4L IS USM), but I do respect that folks like the versatility a larger zoom multiple offers.

- A

Agreed. I would like to see Canon replace the 24-105/4L IS (of which I'm on my second copy) with a 24-85 to -96 or so (i.e., 4x or less zoom range) that performs better in the < 35mm and > 70mm FL ranges. Oh, and also with less zoom creep, please.

Seems like every other day I get the urge to replace my 24-105 with the 24-70/4L IS, but I like the FL pairing of the 24-105 with the 100-400 when hiking. (I know I don't need FL overlap and that a small FL gap wouldn't matter much, but 70-100 seems a bit much.) I also suspect that the week after I buy a 24-70/4L IS, Canon will announce a 24-70/2.8L IS, which I'd really like.

 

[Etienne]

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

Because the 5DS sucks in low light, high ISO?

Absolutely not true. It cleans up way better than the 5D3 and retains at least double the details with a lot less color noise.

With lots of detail on the banding in the shadows. See DPR ... not recommended for low light

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

hopefully we get a announcement april-may with june/july public release next 2-4 months or so will be interesting

 

[JonAustin]

Two things. (1) If you use Lightroom it is pretty easy to find out what your most common focal lengths are. (2) If you had of bought the 24-70/f4L IS in *any* week leading up to this current week then Canon would not have announced a "2.8L IS" version the following week. I mean seriously, why do you think Canon's release schedule has anything to do with you or your buying habits? Sooner you buy the 24-70/f4L IS the better. That is if you've got the cash. If you ain't got the cash ...

Dear Mr. Dilbert: re: (1) Yes, thanks, I do use Lightroom and am aware of how to use it to check my FL statistics. Re: (2) Your keen sense of humor must make you the life of every party you attend ...

 

[JohnUSA]

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).

Dream on! ;-p

Canon refurbished 5D3 cameras are often in this price range or less.

Edit: $2099.00 - http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-5d-mark-iii-body-refurbished

Refurbs are rejected units...

Geez I hope you are joking! I'm not feeding a troll... Well maybe a little!

Tell that to my problem free refurbished 5D3, after 3 years of use, that it's a reject. My 5D3 had 5 exposures when I received it. Also purchased as refurbished: 5D2, 50D and T2i all problem free.

 

[ahsanford]

Just a general question about a 5D4:

If you own a 5D3 and skipped the 5DS for whatever reason, do you pre-order a 5D4 on day one, or are you waiting for sensor testing first? (Clearly, this is more aimed at the stills camp -- I imagine the video decision is a bit easier to make on day one based on the spec sheet.)

I ask because: on the 5D4, if Canon still hasn't flipped to on-chip ADC like many hope, the 5D4 will likely not be that much better for a DR / High ISO side of things, right? We'd only see very small improvements, right? That may not be worth the upgrade.

I understand there's far far far more to a rig than the sensor, and we'll see really nice improvements elsewhere with the 5D4, but knowing how critical the sensor is, if the 5D3 is your primary rig, do you pre-order on day one or are you playing the wait-and-see game? Very curious to hear your thoughts on this.

- A

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I suspect that the replacement has been in production for some time, and its now going to the assembly stage. Production starts a year or two ahead of the new product release because some components take a long time to build and tweak tooling. The firmware is the last piece, and can be tweaked even after a camera model is being assembled.

With new cars, its the same thing, the design is frozen two years ahead of the model release. That means you are always getting a product that was specified quite a while ago. Sony seems to have shortened the production cycle, its risky, but if successful, it can pay off.

 

[Hector1970]

I'd find the 5DIII much better than than the 5DSR (which I assume is like a 5DS) in low light.
The 5DSR may recover shadows better but the overall quality of the image degrades faster than a 5DIII as the ISO goes up.
I've done alot of side by side shooting with both indoor and the 5DIII produces far more usuable images.
I have the 7D II as well and its perfomance is similar to the 5DSR. It's also poor in low light / high ISO. They have a similar/same? sensor.
I really only use the 5DSR now outdoor on a tripod at ISO 100. This is it's strength but I find it limited otherwise.
I'd use the 5DIII anytime any place.
If it gets cheap on the arrival of the 5DIV / 5DX I'd highly recommend buying the 5DIII.
It's a great camera that would serve you really well for years.
I don't think you'd be compromising anything. The focusing system is very good. FPS might be slightly limited but its not bad at all. A super all round camera.

You can get a new 5DS, warranted, for $2300 USA. Why would you buy a 5D3?

Because the 5DS sucks in low light, high ISO?

Absolutely not true. It cleans up way better than the 5D3 and retains at least double the details with a lot less color noise.

With lots of detail on the banding in the shadows. See DPR ... not recommended for low light

 

[Etienne]

Just a general question about a 5D4:

If you own a 5D3 and skipped the 5DS for whatever reason, do you pre-order a 5D4 on day one, or are you waiting for sensor testing first? (Clearly, this is more aimed at the stills camp -- I imagine the video decision is a bit easier to make on day one based on the spec sheet.)

I ask because: on the 5D4, if Canon still hasn't flipped to on-chip ADC like many hope, the 5D4 will likely not be that much better for a DR / High ISO side of things, right? We'd only see very small improvements, right? That may not be worth the upgrade.

I understand there's far far far more to a rig than the sensor, and we'll see really nice improvements elsewhere with the 5D4, but knowing how critical the sensor is, if the 5D3 is your primary rig, do you pre-order on day one or are you playing the wait-and-see game? Very curious to hear your thoughts on this.

- A

I generally wait to see reviews, both technical and field reviews. It would have to be very compelling on paper for me to pre-order ... I have not yet pre-ordered a body or a lens, but I am probably a bit on the conservative side.

 

[ahsanford]

I'd find the 5DIII much better than than the 5DSR (which I assume is like a 5DS) in low light.
The 5DSR may recover shadows better but the overall quality of the image degrades faster than a 5DIII as the ISO goes up.
I've done alot of side by side shooting with both indoor and the 5DIII produces far more usuable images.
I have the 7D II as well and its perfomance is similar to the 5DSR. It's also poor in low light / high ISO. They have a similar/same? sensor.
I really only use the 5DSR now outdoor on a tripod at ISO 100. This is it's strength but I find it limited otherwise.
I'd use the 5DIII anytime any place.
If it gets cheap on the arrival of the 5DIV / 5DX I'd highly recommend buying the 5DIII.
It's a great camera that would serve you really well for years.
I don't think you'd be compromising anything. The focusing system is very good. FPS might be slightly limited but its not bad at all. A super all round camera.

This begs one question: when you are comparing the 5DS to the 5D3 in low light, are you downsampling the shots to 22 MP? That reins in the noise considerably.

So if you are not downsampling, the 5D3 should beat the 5DS for low light performance.

If you are downsampling, I've heard everything from 'it's a dead heat' to 'the 5DS is slightly better'.

Or, from Bryan Carnathan at TDP (this passage below is about 1/4 of the way into the review):

"When compared at native resolutions, 5Ds images are noisier than 5D III images. The differences, especially at higher ISO settings, are less than 1 stop. Down-sized to 5D III pixel dimension (using DPP, see "Standard Down-Sized to 5D III" in noise tool), 5Ds noise levels are essentially equal to full frame 5D III noise levels and even slightly better at the highest ISO settings. So, while Canon is not promoting this camera for its low light capabilities, I see it as one of the best options available with output size being comparable. "

Parsing his thoughts another way, a 5DS is a high detail monster in good light / tripod / studio conditions where you can keep the ISO low, but when ISO climbs, it's like you switch to "5D3 mode" by downsampling the 50 MP down to 22 and the shots look fine. So, crudely: a 5DS is a high res rig in good conditions and it 'becomes' a 5D3 in poor conditions. That's not a bad thing.

- A

 

[Larsskv]

I'd find the 5DIII much better than than the 5DSR (which I assume is like a 5DS) in low light.
The 5DSR may recover shadows better but the overall quality of the image degrades faster than a 5DIII as the ISO goes up.
I've done alot of side by side shooting with both indoor and the 5DIII produces far more usuable images.
I have the 7D II as well and its perfomance is similar to the 5DSR. It's also poor in low light / high ISO. They have a similar/same? sensor.
I really only use the 5DSR now outdoor on a tripod at ISO 100. This is it's strength but I find it limited otherwise.
I'd use the 5DIII anytime any place.
If it gets cheap on the arrival of the 5DIV / 5DX I'd highly recommend buying the 5DIII.
It's a great camera that would serve you really well for years.
I don't think you'd be compromising anything. The focusing system is very good. FPS might be slightly limited but its not bad at all. A super all round camera.

This begs one question: when you are comparing the 5DS to the 5D3 in low light, are you downsampling the shots to 22 MP? That reins in the noise considerably.

So if you are not downsampling, the 5D3 should beat the 5DS for low light performance.

If you are downsampling, I've heard everything from 'it's a dead heat' to 'the 5DS is slightly better'.

Or, from Bryan Carnathan at TDP (this passage below is about 1/4 of the way into the review):

"When compared at native resolutions, 5Ds images are noisier than 5D III images. The differences, especially at higher ISO settings, are less than 1 stop. Down-sized to 5D III pixel dimension (using DPP, see "Standard Down-Sized to 5D III" in noise tool), 5Ds noise levels are essentially equal to full frame 5D III noise levels and even slightly better at the highest ISO settings. So, while Canon is not promoting this camera for its low light capabilities, I see it as one of the best options available with output size being comparable. "

Parsing his thoughts another way, a 5DS is a high detail monster in good light / tripod / studio conditions where you can keep the ISO low, but when ISO climbs, it's like you switch to "5D3 mode" by downsampling the 50 MP down to 22 and the shots look fine. So, crudely: a 5DS is a high res rig in good conditions and it 'becomes' a 5D3 in poor conditions. That's not a bad thing.

- A

+1!!! I have the 5Ds and agree very much with TDP/Bryan Carnathan. It does very good at higher ISO, as long as you don't pixel peep. At same viewing size it outperforms my older 6D at higher ISO.

 

[lightthief]

Just a general question about a 5D4:

If you own a 5D3 and skipped the 5DS for whatever reason, do you pre-order a 5D4 on day one, or are you waiting for sensor testing first?

...

I understand there's far far far more to a rig than the sensor, and we'll see really nice improvements elsewhere with the 5D4, but knowing how critical the sensor is, if the 5D3 is your primary rig, do you pre-order on day one or are you playing the wait-and-see game? Very curious to hear your thoughts on this.

- A

Hi ashanford,

i will not preorder, because my wife would kill me - i bought my first 5DIII 6 months after the release an the second in march 2015. But i'm very interested in the new one, maybe next year.

A new and better sensor would be fine, but to me, without a big IQ improvment, these things alone are worth the upgrade
- wider spreaded AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)
- DPAF for video and touchscreen to set the focus
- autoISO and max. shutter speed up to 1/8000
- autoISO in M mode with ...blaa, you know what i mean
- 60...90...120 fps fullHD

If i can get this in the 5DIV, i can sell one of my 5DIII and the legria (IQ is fine, AF is very good to me, IS is great, DOF is... jesus, f1.8 at the wide end is equally, when i'm right, f13 on FF) to fund the new one. I want the look of my lenses for video, but my 18 month old son ist faster than me - i need AF.

hmmm, a lot is only firmware. Canons "crippling-small-evolution-marketing-thing" works

Sorry for my bad english.

lightthief