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neurorx

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Does anyone have an other rumors about a 1D mirrorless equivalent? There was an old rumor about 1Q of 2021 announcement but I've not heard anything else. With the Olympics post-poned to 2021, does this seem like a possibility?

Yes I realize that the R5 and R6 have just come out. Anything more about the high MP camera?
 

tpatana

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My thoughts.

1DX3 was meant for the olympics, and that would have given them 4 years of time to perfect R1, or 2 years at minimum (winter olympics).

With the olympics moving, I'm sure they had meeting to consider if they are able to expedite the R1 development to make it by next summer.

I would guess they said no. Canon is very conservative company, so making such gamble would be risky. Doesn't sound like Canon style.

Also assuming they were planning for some ~May launch, minimum 6 months before they would have to have numerous number of mule units out testing the new features. Those mules would leak here, so unless we hear rumors about R1 field testing in next few months, I'm very confident it doesn't happen that early.

Late next year, maybe, so they could make it to the winter olympics.
 

Codebunny

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I think the buyers of the 1DX3 would be more than a little miffed if their sports body was replaced so quickly. Also it isn't likely we have a Digic X processor replacement yet. Just now it feels like it would be a bigger R6. Hopefully sooner than later.
 
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I expect one early next year, and I expect that one is and has been tested. There can be multiple configurations tested before they decide on which. If its coming next year, then the design is frozen, parts are on order, a lot of long lead things need to happen. Never forget, new models are frozen in their design about 2 years before they hit the market.
 
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Does anyone have an other rumors about a 1D mirrorless equivalent? There was an old rumor about 1Q of 2021 announcement but I've not heard anything else. With the Olympics post-poned to 2021, does this seem like a possibility?

Yes I realize that the R5 and R6 have just come out. Anything more about the high MP camera?
I’m a little confused. You mention 1D mirrorless equivalent, but then mention high MP. To me, those are two different things. The 1D is only 20MP - is there reason to think the mirrorless equivalent would have a higher MP sensor?
 
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I could see a 1D mirrorless equivalent being announced in Q4 2021 along side a Sony A9 III. My prediction is that both wold be released by Q1 2022 at the latest. In terms of features one could imagine the following:
1) a 24-28 MP sensor with dual gain output
2) Quad Pixel PDAF for world-class AF performance
3) Dual CFExpress cards with 14-bit readout at 20 fps mechanical and electronic shutter.

A global sensor would be amazing, but my gut instinct tells me that we are a few years away before that is realized in a FF format. I would also expect Canon to launch a couple of super telephotos (300 f2.8 and 500 mm f4) in the native RF mount at the same time. A RF 500 m f4 DO would pair nicely with the 100-500 mm zoom.
 

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I’m a little confused. You mention 1D mirrorless equivalent, but then mention high MP. To me, those are two different things. The 1D is only 20MP - is there reason to think the mirrorless equivalent would have a higher MP sensor?
The R5 can do 12 fps with mechanical shutter, and 20 with electronic shutter, so apparently the limitation is the mechanical shutter chosen, rather than sensor reading speed.

The 1D X mark III can do 16 fps with mechanical shutter.

Seems to me like Canon can make a camera that shoots 20 fps with more than 20 MP. My impression is the target audience doesn't need / want more than that, but that it would be good PR to have a small bump in resolution. So I wouldn't be surprised if Canon made an R1 with a 24 MP sensor.
 
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The R5 can do 12 fps with mechanical shutter, and 20 with electronic shutter, so apparently the limitation is the mechanical shutter chosen, rather than sensor reading speed.

The 1D X mark III can do 16 fps with mechanical shutter.

Seems to me like Canon can make a camera that shoots 20 fps with more than 20 MP. My impression is the target audience doesn't need / want more than that, but that it would be good PR to have a small bump in resolution. So I wouldn't be surprised if Canon made an R1 with a 24 MP sensor.
I don't think they'll even bump it to 24MP. And 24MP isn't going to make a big enough difference. Perhaps they'll do a 20MP and 45MP 1-series body, but how would a 45MP 1-series compete with the R5. In the past the 1Ds3 could compete with the 5dII because it had more AF points, but even then people went to the 5-series body on mass and Canon clicked on that the 1D had to specialise in speed.

Also of note the R5 is 12FPS mechanical but that is with 13 bit RAW instead of 14 bit RAW, most likely does not make a Scooby of a difference, but still worth the note that something had to give to get that speed.
 
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The R5 can do 12 fps with mechanical shutter, and 20 with electronic shutter, so apparently the limitation is the mechanical shutter chosen, rather than sensor reading speed.
The R5 does 12 fps with 13 bit ADC and 20 fls with 12 bit ADC. The "full" ADC in this camera is 14 bit.

So, the limitation for the R5 is obviously the ADC speed.

Increasing the number of ADCs may help... or may introduce artifacts.
 
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neurorx

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I’m a little confused. You mention 1D mirrorless equivalent, but then mention high MP. To me, those are two different things. The 1D is only 20MP - is there reason to think the mirrorless equivalent would have a higher MP sensor?
There are two rumors floating around for two separate cameras. 1) a 1D mirrorless, 2) a high MP R5. Sorry for the confusion, yes they are very different cameras for very different users/uses.
 
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neurorx

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Aside from build I don’t see the point of the 1DX anymore... They must have something brilliant cooking...
I think it would be great to have the option of OVF and EVF in a camera, but not sure how feasible that is.
 

Codebunny

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Aside from build I don’t see the point of the 1DX anymore... They must have something brilliant cooking...
The build should be enough. Would you rather take a 5-series body or a 1-series to the artic in minus 40C?
 

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Aside from build I don’t see the point of the 1DX anymore... They must have something brilliant cooking...
Or they may just put it on hold. On paper, the R5 seems to leave very little room for an R1. And let's face it, all the oxygen in the rooms occupied by Canon's design and engineering teams is being consumed right now by trying to figure out what to do about the R5. That has certainly thrown a lot of things off track for at least a few months.

Winter Olympics at the earliest if they ever release one.

The other rumored body (High mp) will probably come sometime in 2021.
 

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The build should be enough. Would you rather take a 5-series body or a 1-series to the artic in minus 40C?
The way I take care of my gear the R5 would likely be fine.

Given the 45MP sensor and the advantages mirrorless has, for me, the R5 would be preferred.

Both have solid metal bodies and are weather sealed and I don't have any problem with the smaller ergonomics of the R series. Heck - in that climate I could shoot 8K uninterrupted for hours. :p

I know I'm naive in the sense that I don't shoot professionally, but I don't see the $2500 1DX price premium over an R5 as clearly as I did before the R5 release. The strong points of the 1DX aren't so strong anymore.
 

Codebunny

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I know I'm naive in the sense that I don't shoot professionally, but I don't see the $2500 1DX price premium over an R5 as clearly as I did before the R5 release. The strong points of the 1DX aren't so strong anymore.
Well it'll be interesting to see what does come with the R1. I think Canon and Nikon will push out gripped pro bodies and maybe shove in dual processors again. Of course the big battery is coming and that at least used to be faster AF with the big whites.
 
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Well it'll be interesting to see what does come with the R1. I think Canon and Nikon will push out gripped pro bodies and maybe shove in dual processors again. Of course the big battery is coming and that at least used to be faster AF with the big whites.

Like I said originally - they have to have something really advanced coming or maybe just a regurgitation of the same thing done mirrorless.

For a person like me who enjoys well built semi-professional gear and has the money to support my habit, I don't see the attraction anymore. The 1DX has never appealed to me in the sense that I would like to own one for what I do, but I've always admired the "throw it off a truck and it'll bounce and keep going" construction.

That and some of it's advanced features really set it apart from it's closest brothers in the 5 series.

It's not so advanced as it once was. Not for another $2500 on top of the R5..
 

Codebunny

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Like I said originally - they have to have something really advanced coming or maybe just a regurgitation of the same thing done mirrorless.

For a person like me who enjoys well built semi-professional gear and has the money to support my habit, I don't see the attraction anymore. The 1DX has never appealed to me in the sense that I would like to own one for what I do, but I've always admired the "throw it off a truck and it'll bounce and keep going" construction.

That and some of it's advanced features really set it apart from it's closest brothers in the 5 series.

It's not so advanced as it once was. Not for another $2500 on top of the R5..
To me I would take lower MP for the bigger battery and pre gripped body right off. Next up I would want to see it always on 120 fps or getter EVF, zero rolling shutter silent shooting, no tilty break-off screen, and even faster AF. That would push it up past the R5, but they'll need to push out the RF super-tele's with it. I am no sure what else would push a 1d body just now, surely perfect silent shooting is of the highest importance for a journalism now, might be nice for wildlife if you are up close.
 

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...I know I'm naive in the sense that I don't shoot professionally, but I don't see the $2500 1DX price premium over an R5 as clearly as I did before the R5 release. The strong points of the 1DX aren't so strong anymore.
That's not naive. Corporate pride and public relations notwithstanding, ultimately, Canon has to sell cameras.

The R5, if it delivers as promised (and currently there is cause for optimism that it will for stills shooters), leaves little space in the market for a body that will cost $7,000 and only offers better weather sealing and an integrated battery grip.

I do shoot sports professionally (or at least I did until last spring. I'll be limited to cross country and maybe golf and swimming this fall, with the hope that other fall sports will be possible in the spring). I bought the 1Dx III because it is tried and true and the III corrects the main issues with the II as far as I was concerned (better autofocus). At some point I will want to replace my 5DIV and if I do, it will be with an R5. Never say "never," but with the features the R5 offers, I don't think an R1 would even enter into the equation.

I know it's dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of two, but with the 1 series, small numbers of customers can make a big difference. If your viewpoint is representative of just a small percentage of enthusiasts and mine is representative of a small percentage of professionals, that's still a chunk of potential R1 sales. I would wager that most of the people on this forum drooling over an R1 are not going to buy one. Add to that the shrinking professional market and the disastrous impact of COVID-19 and I agree, I think the business case for an R1 got a lot harder with the release of the R5.

Now, I'm not saying it won't ever happen. Canon has the numbers, not us, but I suspect the camera has dropped several notches on the priority list.