Review: Canon EOS M5: \

[Duckman]

Does anyone know specifics on the M5's AEB abilities? Specifically, maximum number of bracketed shots and the EV range? (i.e. 5div can do 7 sequential bracketed shots +/- 3 EV)
...Anyone know if these spec numbers will carry over to the M6?

I'm contemplating getting an M5 or M6 (leaning towards M6 for max "pocketability") as a light, unobtrusive camera for casual shooting (at the bar, friends house, etc.)...but, I am also starting to plan and prepare for the upcoming total eclipse and am starting to wonder if using a 1.6 sensor for that would behoove me, for use with my 100-400ii (and possibly 1.4x extender).... This could influence my decision on which M to purchase.
Sorry if this is getting off topic, I'll start a new thread if necessary.
thanks for the help,
-J

 

[AvTvM]

“Easily the best “M” so far!”

Would've sucked if it wasn't so.

exactly. It is still the "very minimum" what Canon delivered with M5 and M6 - compared to Fuji X-T2, and Sony A6500.

 

[Dylan777]

“Easily the best “M” so far!”

Would've sucked if it wasn't so.

exactly. It is still the "very minimum" what Canon delivered with M5 and M6 - compared to Fuji X-T2, and Sony A6500.

Until the prices are same, otherwise:

 

[Random Orbits]

“Easily the best “M” so far!”

Would've sucked if it wasn't so.

exactly. It is still the "very minimum" what Canon delivered with M5 and M6 - compared to Fuji X-T2, and Sony A6500.

Yeah, and the Canons cost lost than the x-t2 and a6500. You should expect different feature sets.

 

[scyrene]

Canon needs to wake up to the reality that this camera is years behind the curve. It is year 2017, everyone is buying a 4K TV, we have the capability to enjoy 4K, so why would I go without 4K home videos for years when I can have it for the same price?

I am buying a Sony a6300 instead.

I have spent a long time with both cameras (in a store), to be fair, the M5 is really, really good especially the touchscreen.........but the M lenses looks like cheap plastic toys. and no 4K? Come on Canon!

Everybody is different, and your experience and expectations are as valid as anyone's, but I don't think *everyone* cares about 4K. There are still next to no broadcast 4K options in the UK.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I don't watch home movies on my tv. Never have, unlikely ever to do so. Do most people? I think most videos are shared online, watched on phones, tablets, and maybe laptops. Admittedly many of these devices have high-res screens, but I still don't see much content in 4K (and the issue I face more is, do I want to wait for it to stream, or just make do with HD? Broadband speeds are still not good enough for delivering high res content in a lot of places).

But in any case, it will come. They're introducing it gradually. I guess part of the issue is heat dissipation in smaller bodies with larger sensors. Anyhow, your 'everybody' is an exaggeration.

 

[bholliman]

Fact: Canon's mirrorless lags far behind in that segment. Far behind. Simply wording a review in this manner is like propaganda and misleading.

From what I've seen, the M5/6 compare pretty well spec-wise with other mirrorless bodies in the $1K price range. Plus they have Canon's excellent service and support behind them and can use the full universe of Canon EF(x) lenses. Pretty good package in my opinion.

 

[AlanF]

DxOmark has just reviewed the M5 sensor

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-M5-sensor-review-Made-for-mirrorless

"In our benchmarking, the Canon EOS M5 achieves a decent overall score of 77 points. Dynamic range is very good with a high 12.5 EV at base, of course, while achieving good balance in color depth at 23.4 bits and a low-light score of 1262 ISO, which while good, is still a little behind the better-performing sensors in APS-C format. While the performance is mostly unchanged from previous models using a similar sensor, it’s still very good overall."

 

[rrcphoto]

TDP is so Canon kiss-ass. It takes away from the credibility of the website and all the good work he does.
Fact: Canon's mirrorless lags far behind in that segment. Far behind. Simply wording a review in this manner is like propaganda and misleading.

how so?
The only thing you could say is lacking against an X-T2 is 4K (which on the X-T2 is time limited).
Against the A6300, the only thing it's lacking is some fps and also the ability to be used as a coffee warmer.

in then over 800, and under 1000 area that the m5 currently exists, you have to drop down to m43's to get some interesting options. APS-C and above, if you account for touch drag AF, canon's func dial and other ergonomic advantages, unless 4K is definitely your thing (to which why on earth are you getting a stills camera anyways) then I'd say it's very competitive.

 

[Random Orbits]

DxOmark has just reviewed the M5 sensor

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-M5-sensor-review-Made-for-mirrorless

"In our benchmarking, the Canon EOS M5 achieves a decent overall score of 77 points. Dynamic range is very good with a high 12.5 EV at base, of course, while achieving good balance in color depth at 23.4 bits and a low-light score of 1262 ISO, which while good, is still a little behind the better-performing sensors in APS-C format. While the performance is mostly unchanged from previous models using a similar sensor, it’s still very good overall."

Hmm... I wonder what happened to the M5 sensor that it gave up the low ISO dynamic range that the 80D had managed to gain...

 

[yorgasor]

I'm glad the M5 is getting better. The earlier Ms didn't really interest me. I still won't get this one, I'll take a look when Canon comes out with a full frame camera that is hopefully around the same size as a 5D series. I just got an A7 II, which I'm really enjoying, but the cramped controls are annoying. It will probably be quite a while before I'm comfortable using it on a paid gig, but it's perfect as a walkabout camera for my old manual focus lenses.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

One of the things I like about the LCD tilt screen is that low and high angle shots are easier to compose due to the lack of parallax issues. With my old G12, flipping the screen out and tilting it up or down for a close up was an bit of a brain teaser.
The G12 is my only camera with a flippy screen and I didn't know how I would like the M5's tilt screen, but it has proven to be a much better experience than I thought it would be.

 

[Loswr]

exactly. It is still the "very minimum" what Canon delivered with M5 and M6 - compared to Fuji X-T2, and Sony A6500.

Yeah, and the Canons cost lost than the x-t2 and a6500. You should expect different feature sets.

Yes, it's like saying a Rebel/xxxD should have the same feature set as an xxD or 7-series body.

Then again, since when has AvTvM given any sort of hint that his expectations have any basis in or alignment with reality?

 

[AvTvM]

The only thing you could say is lacking against an X-T2 is 4K (which on the X-T2 is time limited).
Against the A6300, the only thing it's lacking is some fps and also the ability to be used as a coffee warmer.

more importantly than 4K and coffeemaker i would mention
* unusable, stupid, tilt-down LCD
* no electronic shutter

 

[yorgasor]

On a feature/price ratio, the M5 is probably very well placed. But I think more people here are just disappointed they didn't get the fancier features where it would've competed more against the X-T2 and A6500.

exactly. It is still the "very minimum" what Canon delivered with M5 and M6 - compared to Fuji X-T2, and Sony A6500.

Yeah, and the Canons cost lost than the x-t2 and a6500. You should expect different feature sets.

Yes, it's like saying a Rebel/xxxD should have the same feature set as an xxD or 7-series body.

Then again, since when has AvTvM given any sort of hint that his expectations have any basis in or alignment with reality?

 

[infared]

TDP is so Canon kiss-ass. It takes away from the credibility of the website and all the good work he does.
Fact: Canon's mirrorless lags far behind in that segment. Far behind. Simply wording a review in this manner is like propaganda and misleading.

dpreviews is Canon's kick ass but gives the M5 near rave reviews and a silver star. Are they also losing credibility?

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m5-review

Um....did you read this part?
Cons:
Native lens lineup is sorely lacking
No 4K video capture
1080p video capture lacks detail
Viewfinder blackout is very long
Low light image quality significantly worse than peers
Shutter button lacks responsiveness
JPEG noise reduction and sharpening are behind the competition
Limited buffer for burst shooting
Ergonomics may trouble left-eyed shooters
Auto ISO almost unusably limited
Raw dynamic range still lags behind the competition
Auto white balance strays to the cool side by default

 

[privatebydesign]

Does anyone know specifics on the M5's AEB abilities? Specifically, maximum number of bracketed shots and the EV range? (i.e. 5div can do 7 sequential bracketed shots +/- 3 EV)
...Anyone know if these spec numbers will carry over to the M6?

Three images with +/-2 stops in 1/3 stop increments, this can be 'added' to +/-3 stops of exposure compensation (again in 1/3 stop increments) too for a 10 stop spread in two bursts of three shots.

The M6 is the same.

 

[takesome1]

I stopped at our local camera store two days ago, but they had no M5, nor any of the M models. They had all the Canon DSLR's and most, if not all the Nikon ones (No 1 series or D5). Sony models were pretty well missing, they had just one, a A7S, I believe. It looked like they were abandoning Sony, because they had no interchangeable lenses either, they used to give Sony equal space to Canon and Nikon and had lots of lenses and accessories. I think that what I saw depicts the state of the camera industry, devastated and really tough for the smaller companies. There are a couple more camera stores that carry the high end models,

I may go to them if the snow and ice ever relent. I spent three days(so far) trying to get my sons wheel and tire replaced, that's a nightmare of a story.

The local store here is Nikon biased. They carry both brands but if a customer comes in and asks for a brand they reach for a Nikon first. If someone asks for a lens they grab a third party lens first.

I became friends with the manager and I asked him about this. It is a profit margin issue, they make more off of Nikons and the other lenses. He blamed Canon's pricing structure.

 

[AlanF]

TDP is so Canon kiss-ass. It takes away from the credibility of the website and all the good work he does.
Fact: Canon's mirrorless lags far behind in that segment. Far behind. Simply wording a review in this manner is like propaganda and misleading.

dpreviews is Canon's kick ass but gives the M5 near rave reviews and a silver star. Are they also losing credibility?

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m5-review

Um....did you read this part?
Cons:
Native lens lineup is sorely lacking
No 4K video capture
1080p video capture lacks detail
Viewfinder blackout is very long
Low light image quality significantly worse than peers
Shutter button lacks responsiveness
JPEG noise reduction and sharpening are behind the competition
Limited buffer for burst shooting
Ergonomics may trouble left-eyed shooters
Auto ISO almost unusably limited
Raw dynamic range still lags behind the competition
Auto white balance strays to the cool side by default

By choosing to cut and paste only the list of cons, it gives a rather strong impression that you yourself are 100% biased against. A fair judge looks at both pros and cons. Despite the cons, DPR gave it a silver star award because of its many pros that outweighed the cons.

 

[Woody]

Cons:
Low light image quality significantly worse than peers

From
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m5-review/5

"Raw... In lower light and at higher ISO values, the EOS M5 is behind the competition by around one stop, which is a significant disparity at this point."

I looked at the comparison photos on DPReview site and I don't see how DPReview arrived at this stupid conclusion.

Even DXOMark data does not show any hint of this 1 stop disparity:

Yup... that's where all the DPReview biased BS comes in. Sigh... :

 

[AvTvM]

interesting to see that M5 sensor performance is behind 80D. as much as i dislike DXO generally, one would hope that the same test method was applied to both sensors and results are therefore comparable.

whether it is a full stop or not, i find it disappointing when a newer camera has less IQ/sensor performance than an older model. would be intetesting to get reasons/explanation for this "phenomenon". one of the questions, dpreview or other website staff could put in front of the Canon exec muppets when they "interview" them next time ... no matter if those guys would find such a straightforward, fact-based question horribly "disrespectful" or not!