Samyang/Rokinon Tease 135mm Lens

[dadgummit]

Unless it has IS, how is this a tease to Canon users? Maybe if it is as good with AF for $400, otherwise suck it up and get the 135L.

Yeah Samyang lenses are not what they used to be. They made their mark with the 14mm f.8 which was great quality for 1/5 the cost of the canon counterpart. For that much money off the competition people were happy to deal with no electronics. Their latest lens their fisheye is $500 which is just $100 less than the very good sigma full frame fisheye yet the samyang still has no auto focus and no auto aperture, no exif reporting, and (according to the sample pictures on their web site) soft corners. Why would anyone bother? If they make a 135mm and price it over $300 I think they will have a dud.

 

[beckstoy]

My Canon 135L is a pretty epic lens, and for abt $1K, it'll be hard to beat.

...unless they go sub-f2 with good sharpness and AF. Otherwise, I'll be sticking with my awesome 135L.

They've gotta be smart enough to know that, right? I mean, the 135L is amazing glass, INSANELY sharp at f2, and for the dollar, probably the best portrait lens out there.

They've gotta know that, right?

 

[surapon]

Only Lens that I dream, Now = 2mm. Pin Hole with F=22
I try to do DIY. but fail, Not sharp photos at all, May be Samyang/ Rokinon can help me.
Surapon

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Ya, I think a 135mm is a good guess. It would be a logical growth that would extend past the present line. It will have to be a reasonably fast f number for it to grab a market share- like a 2.8 or less. They would really have a hit if it is tack sharp across the frame wide open.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Only Lens that I dream, Now = 2mm. Pin Hole with F=22
I try to do DIY. but fail, Not sharp photos at all, May be Samyang/ Rokinon can help me.
Surapon

Dear friend Surapon.
I could not understand his desire to build a pinhole 2mm. ???

I understand that technically will not be a "lens" for pinhole does not use any glass element. But I imagine that a 2mm pinhole would have to be very close to the sensor, so this would be located approximately at the same place where lies the shutter. :

The motivation for building such a thing is to get a viewing angle greater than 180 degrees?

Speaking about the lack of sharpness in pinhole, I think that's why we spend so much money buying lenses. ;D

 

[Busted Knuckles]

My dear friend it is not the fault of the camera - please use different tools to make your pin hole, anything other than perfectly circular will add to diffraction and increased circles of confusion.

Just LOVE the cool idea.

All the best

 

[Lawliet]

I try to do DIY. but fail, Not sharp photos at all, May be Samyang/ Rokinon can help me.
Surapon

Perhaps you're taking the name "pinhole" to literally? While the pin is easily obtained it has a subtle drawback for such endeavors: it tears the hole, leaving the edge ragged and uneven. For holes of the highest quality one would want to have access to a laser drill. A stronger foil or very thin sheet of hard, short chipping phosphor bronze and a very sharp drill would be more viable for a home project, though.
It's the same idea we follow with the number and shape of the aperture blades in more common lenses - a subtle difference, but once you notice it...

 

[muchakucha]

My Canon 135L is a pretty epic lens, and for abt $1K, it'll be hard to beat.

...unless they go sub-f2 with good sharpness and AF. Otherwise, I'll be sticking with my awesome 135L.

They've gotta be smart enough to know that, right? I mean, the 135L is amazing glass, INSANELY sharp at f2, and for the dollar, probably the best portrait lens out there.

They've gotta know that, right?

Canon has a great 135 but the Nikon guys wish they had an equivalent lens.

 

[BeenThere]

I'm still waiting on their 12mm Fisheye

I received one of the fish-eye lenses yesterday. I should have something to say about it in a day or two.

Great. Congrats. I have been waiting for some kind of a review for that lens. Awaiting your feedback of the lens

I've started a new thread with this lens as the subject. Did not seem appropriate to mix it with the craziness going on in this thread.

 

[dgatwood]

Nope, it's going to be an 11mm f/.7

*shakes head*

7mm f/11

 

[AG]

They were talking month ago about finally releasing the 50 and 135mm Cine lenses.

The 50 has been out for a few months now so I'm guessing that this is finally the 135 to round out the cine line up.

 

[Antono Refa]

Nope, it's going to be an 11mm f/.7

*shakes head*

7mm f/11

Nah, f/11 is too dark. I trust they'd make a 7mm f/1.7

 

[Tinky]

Samyang are doing great things, huge fan of what they are doing.

Somebody (who thinks their way of photography is the only way and that all new products should only designed to appease their needs and methods) asked 'no is, no af, why would any canon shooter bother?'

Without knowing for sure whats been released, but based in previous form, heres a few reasons why...

- Some people don't need af. Like trained video shooters.

- Some people want to use mf but find the canon lenses set to mf less that ideal (shallow rotation, no end stops on some lenses)

- Some people want to use a manual iris via the lens (again video shooters in the main)

- Some people just don 't need or want IS, maybe folk who always have their camera supported in any case, again like video shooters, be it in a gimbal, ball foot monopod, rig or tripod.

- And some people are happy to live with the limitations and caveats to access good quality lenses for less money (I know that having to choose a £350 lens for your hobby over a £1000 lens is a very first world problem, but it's the very real problem some people face in these straitened times)

In short, to anybody reading this at all. Your needs are yours. Bother with your own kit bag, or more importantly, the enjoyment of your own hobby. Samyang are a niche manufacturer, with their fans, and it appears, with their detractors.

I look forward to seeing what they've came up with. I'm tempted to agree that unless the price is right I would probably err on the side of a grey import or good used 135L, although I already have a 70-200 f2.8 so for the sake of a stop, I may not bother at all.

However, having had great fun with my 35 and 85 samyangs I'm pretty certain my next lens will be the samyang 16mm f2.0.

Happy Holidays x

 

[dgatwood]

Nope, it's going to be an 11mm f/.7

*shakes head*

7mm f/11

Nah, f/11 is too dark. I trust they'd make a 7mm f/1.7

No way. To use that fast a lens effectively, you'd pretty much have to include autofocus. With f/11, they'd have an excuse for not bothering to include it—because it wouldn't work anyway.

 

[Antono Refa]

Nope, it's going to be an 11mm f/.7

*shakes head*

7mm f/11

Nah, f/11 is too dark. I trust they'd make a 7mm f/1.7

No way. To use that fast a lens effectively, you'd pretty much have to include autofocus. With f/11, they'd have an excuse for not bothering to include it—because it wouldn't work anyway.

Samyang makes a 35mm f/1.4, a wider slower lens would be easier to focus.

 

[dgatwood]

Nope, it's going to be an 11mm f/.7

*shakes head*

7mm f/11

Nah, f/11 is too dark. I trust they'd make a 7mm f/1.7

No way. To use that fast a lens effectively, you'd pretty much have to include autofocus. With f/11, they'd have an excuse for not bothering to include it—because it wouldn't work anyway.

Samyang makes a 35mm f/1.4, a wider slower lens would be easier to focus.

Way to kill the joke.

 

[sjschall]

My Rokinon/Bower 24 1.4 and 85 1.4 are my go-to primes for video work. If the sharpness and IQ is anything like those lenses, at a price point below Canon's 135, I'd be seriously tempted.

 

[Kream]

But will it have Auto Focus to persuade the still photographers....

 

[PVS]

They're off the tracks with their current pricings. I used to have $250 85/1.5 Samyang lens couple of years back and sold it when I got my hands on 85/1.8 EF lens. 14mm is a very nice offering but based on my experience with that lens you still need AF for sensors with 18mp and above, no matter how much you may stop down the lens.
They still might have a good market with cinematographers but frankly selling good glass in cheap plastic housing and w/o hyperfocal marks for that price is ridiculous. Except for the 14mm lens, you can easily find AF versions of their offerings with one third of a stop less on used market.
If we were all still in 12mp era I'd find more sense to justify their offerings but seriously these days with 21-24mp being a standard file size it's more of hassle than a reward to use those lenses.

 

[dgatwood]

They're off the tracks with their current pricings. I used to have $250 85/1.5 Samyang lens couple of years back and sold it when I got my hands on 85/1.8 EF lens. 14mm is a very nice offering but based on my experience with that lens you still need AF for sensors with 18mp and above, no matter how much you may stop down the lens.

I feel the same way about Zeiss, for the same reason. If they were really cheap, they'd be fun to play with on occasion, just like my 44M. If a lens costs more than I'm willing to spend on a toy that I use solely for fun, it better have autofocus.