Did I miss the rumors? And why is you-know-who so quiet?
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I knew you'd come around.It's not coming. You were right all along. EF is dead. Long live RF.
So you're predicting the end of new higher-end lenses for EF? Or are you being facetious?I really doubt if we will see one, this is a area where the short flange back allows design of a much better lens, It a person wants $2K+ lenses, they won't mind buying a new R body for them will they?
So you're predicting the end of new higher-end lenses for EF? Or are you being facetious?
The new R mount is only fully compatible with supertelephoto lenses made in 2011 and after.
I think this is actually a good question. I am not particularly keen to get an EOS R myself (because I still prefer OVF, short battery life, limited FPS in servo AF, etc) but I do wonder how much effort Canon will put into new EF lenses versus RF lenses. On the assumption a DSLR is going to remain better than a mirrorless for sports/action photography for a while yet, the new EF super teles make sense. However, is it possible that for fast primes which are likely to be used for things like portraits, such as the 50L, Canon will put all its efforts into RF now? If RF allows higher IQ (at least for that sort of lens/focal length), and considering mirrorless AF features (eg Eye-AF when using a very shallow depth of field), perhaps Canon won't bother with those sorts of lenses for EF in future?
A week ago I would have said there was no way the EF line was in any danger at all, but Canon does seem to be saying RF offers more advantages for lens design than I realised might be the case, and I get the feeling Canon sees RF as the future and that future may be closer than I was expecting.
No I don't think it is at all. If we see a high-end RF mount Cinema camera, when we might see a very slow transition. But the fly-by-wire focus might not meet such a warm welcome there.
There will be new EF lenses like a 24-70/2.8 with image stabilisation.
They've made the 85/1.4 IS not too long ago as well, announced a brand new 70-200 f/4 IS II and so on. They are doing this the logical way, with as small overlapping as possible.
But of course if there are lenses which would appeal to a limited amount of buyers, they just won't make it, and the EF 50/1.2 is exactly like that, how many of the existing users would upgrade, if they saw the monumental increase in price weight and size?
I had forgotten about the FBW focusing with the RF lenses ... which sounds like a negative to me, although I guess we need to wait and see what it's like in real use.
As for the recent releases of EF lenses like the EF 85/1.4L IS, etc, yes, they do suggest Canon hasn't given up on EF yet. Still, when you look at the MTFs for the RF 50/1.2L versus the EF 50mm lenses, and even the RF 28-70: versus the EF 24-70L II, it does seem like RF really might allow for a step forward in lenses. I know there is a lot more to a lens tan its MTF so again we need to wait to see how the new lenses go in real use, but I am wondering about thet future of EF a lot more now than I was a week ago. I mean, 50mm is a commonly used focal length and both the EF 50/1.2L and EF 50/1.4 are fairly old designs, but instead of an update to either of those the first Canon high end 50mm in a long time is RF.
Anyway, personally I'll be happy if EF continues for the foreseeable future, but we will just have to wait and see I guess.
I had forgotten about the FBW focusing with the RF lenses ... which sounds like a negative to me, although I guess we need to wait and see what it's like in real use.
As for the recent releases of EF lenses like the EF 85/1.4L IS, etc, yes, they do suggest Canon hasn't given up on EF yet. Still, when you look at the MTFs for the RF 50/1.2L versus the EF 50mm lenses, and even the RF 28-70: versus the EF 24-70L II, it does seem like RF really might allow for a step forward in lenses. I know there is a lot more to a lens tan its MTF so again we need to wait to see how the new lenses go in real use, but I am wondering about thet future of EF a lot more now than I was a week ago. I mean, 50mm is a commonly used focal length and both the EF 50/1.2L and EF 50/1.4 are fairly old designs, but instead of an update to either of those the first Canon high end 50mm in a long time is RF.
Anyway, personally I'll be happy if EF continues for the foreseeable future, but we will just have to wait and see I guess.
Superior? I'd be happy to have a 50mm that is equal to the new 35mm and new 85mm. What is so hard to understand about that?Sure, some of the new lens designs will not be offered in EF mount. The big reason for the new short flange distance RF mount is the ability to produce new superior optical designs that were simply not possible in the EF mount. What is so hard to understand about that.
Over time, I believe that most of the Canon ff line of cameras and lens will migrate to RF. Then for remaining legacy EF glass there is an adapter.
.... I say EF is now a legacy technology that will be put out to pasture gradually--because of the massive "herd" of EF lenses in the hands of Canon customers.
All valid points, and I am accepting that innovation will be directed towards RF lenses. The new EF lenses you refer to seem to be clearing the old pipeline and perhaps including tweaks that make them work better with the RF adapter.Your prediction may be correct or may be completely wrong. The market will decide. Based on the initial comments in this forum, it seems as if most current Canon high end FF users have no intention to get the new camera, as their existing camera does what they want and need. Others see this as a new backup. Sports, Wildlife and Birders may NEVER switch to the new R due to battery issues.
Considering that Canon has put out 4 new EF lenses this year makes it seem like they have no intention of discontinuing the line. Considering that in North America and Europe DSLRs still outsell Mirrorless, only time will tell if DSLRs are phased out or will ALWAYS be sold side-by-side with mirrorless.
Even if - over the next decade - the EF lenses are put out to pasture, here's why you shouldn't worry.
1) You can use your existing lenses the rest of your life if needed (provided they don't break down). If I get the new R camera, I will be using an EF lens made in the late 1980's. Despite the hype, the improvements in lenses over the years have been minor, and if you don't pixel peep, many of the older lenses are as good as the newer models.
2) You will still be able to buy the existing EF lenses for many years to come - either new or used.
So you think that Canon is going to release two wide aperture 50mm L lenses in two different mounts at about the same time? Good luck waiting for that.Superior? I'd be happy to have a 50mm that is equal to the new 35mm and new 85mm. What is so hard to understand about that?