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Sony A7-A7R pre-ordered @ 200% bigger than expected

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A 'trusted source' says 200% of expectations? That's nice, but mostly meaningless without a baseline number. I just ate 200% of the number of pieces of fruit I expected to eat this morning…two, instead of one. :P
 
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neuroanatomist said:
A 'trusted source' says 200% of expectations? That's nice, but mostly meaningless without a baseline number. I just ate 200% of the number of pieces of fruit I expected to eat this morning…two, instead of one. :P
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My "trusted source" said, Canon landscape shooters are responsible for this 200% increase ;D
 
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Dylan777 said:
...do you plan to get one neuro?
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No plans to do so, at the present time. I don't do a lot of landscape shooting, and frequently when I do, it's panoramas (where my 18 MP camera is already giving me >80 MP images after stitching and cropping) and/or HDR (almost always with >14 stops of scene DR, so with an a7R, I'd still shoot HDR).
 
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This fits perfectly into what Thom Hogan calls the Internet Amplification Effect, described in http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/tough-camera-questions.html. The Olympus EM5 is an example. We'll see how the A7/A7r pan out... I suspect they'll go down the same route.

"Beware the Internet amplification effect (IAE). Supposedly the OM-D E-M5 has been a hot, hit camera, but Olympus only sold 250,000 total m4/3 cameras in the first six months of their fiscal year, and that worked out to about 200k Pen-type cameras and about 50,000 E-M5). A camera can appear to be "hot" because loud voices are praising it and others are repeating that message, but the IAE doesn't always translate to sales numbers that change the marketplace."

PS: In comparison, Canon sold about 4 million and Nikon about 3.2 million interchangeable lens cameras in 6 months this year.
 
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Dylan777 said:
By Sony: “the pre-ordered quantities are almost 200% bigger than expected"

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/from-source-sony-a7-a7r-preorders-200-more-than-expected-from-sony-sony-a7r-review-at-cameralabs/

Ok...let see more prime lenses please :o
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On that site, a member raised an interesting point ... which I agree with and it is one of the reasons why I am apprehensive about getting any Sony gear:
"This is my biggest concern, That I’ll get the camera in Dec and then in Feb they’ll release an IBIS version and make all future lenses without IBIS after the 2 already announced. Leaving early adopters with only a couple of IS lenses"

Note: IBIS = In Body Image Stabilization
 
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Woody said:
This fits perfectly into what Thom Hogan calls the Internet Amplification Effect, described in http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/tough-camera-questions.html. The Olympus EM5 is an example. We'll see how the A7/A7r pan out... I suspect they'll go down the same route.

"Beware the Internet amplification effect (IAE). Supposedly the OM-D E-M5 has been a hot, hit camera, but Olympus only sold 250,000 total m4/3 cameras in the first six months of their fiscal year, and that worked out to about 200k Pen-type cameras and about 50,000 E-M5). A camera can appear to be "hot" because loud voices are praising it and others are repeating that message, but the IAE doesn't always translate to sales numbers that change the marketplace."

PS: In comparison, Canon sold about 4 million and Nikon about 3.2 million interchangeable lens cameras in 6 months this year.
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Good information on article. The BIG diff here is Sony brought 35mm sensor into tiny body at reasonable prices. Same body size as omd5 with x3 bigger in sensor.
 
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Dylan777 said:
The BIG diff here is Sony brought 35mm sensor into tiny body at reasonable prices.
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True, but the OM-D E-M5 is part of an existing ecosystem of small, high quality lenses designed to match up with that small body. A FF sensor in a tiny body with a big lens means the tiny body is at best no real benefit, and more often a hinderance when handling the combination, basically the same as sticking an EOS M behind a 24-70/2.8 or 70-200 lens.

The appeal of the a7R to Canon shooters is that it works with their existing lenses, and provides a higher resolution sensor with better low ISO DR than any current Canon body. The appeal of the a7R to Nikon shooters is…not much, really. The appeal of the a7R to Sony shooters may be substantial…I bet many of the 350 of them are profoundly interested! :P
 
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I'm really pleased with this, if for no other reason that we'll finally be able to see if a high quality, reasonably priced FF MILC is a hit. I've been betting for a long time that it would be, but the only opinion that really matters is from those willing to open their wallet!

Kudos to Sony and I hope they sell millions!! Sony should sell a kit with the Metabones EOS-E mount adapter - I'm guessing that'll be a huge part of their initial sales.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Dylan777 said:
The BIG diff here is Sony brought 35mm sensor into tiny body at reasonable prices.
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True, but the OM-D E-M5 is part of an existing ecosystem of small, high quality lenses designed to match up with that small body. A FF sensor in a tiny body with a big lens means the tiny body is at best no real benefit, and more often a hinderance when handling the combination, basically the same as sticking an EOS M behind a 24-70/2.8 or 70-200 lens.

The appeal of the a7R to Canon shooters is that it works with their existing lenses, and provides a higher resolution sensor with better low ISO DR than any current Canon body. The appeal of the a7R to Nikon shooters is…not much, really. The appeal of the a7R to Sony shooters may be substantial…I bet many of the 350 of them are profoundly interested! :P
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LOL...It's hard for people to step out their comfort zone. Regardless what might happen to Sony FF mirrorless cameras in the future, I admired them for bringing wonderful consumer high-end cameras to the market (RX100 II, RX1, and now A7).
 
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Dylan777 said:
neuroanatomist said:
Dylan777 said:
The BIG diff here is Sony brought 35mm sensor into tiny body at reasonable prices.
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True, but the OM-D E-M5 is part of an existing ecosystem of small, high quality lenses designed to match up with that small body. A FF sensor in a tiny body with a big lens means the tiny body is at best no real benefit, and more often a hinderance when handling the combination, basically the same as sticking an EOS M behind a 24-70/2.8 or 70-200 lens.

The appeal of the a7R to Canon shooters is that it works with their existing lenses, and provides a higher resolution sensor with better low ISO DR than any current Canon body. The appeal of the a7R to Nikon shooters is…not much, really. The appeal of the a7R to Sony shooters may be substantial…I bet many of the 350 of them are profoundly interested! :P
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LOL...It's hard for people to step out their comfort zone. Regardless what might happen to Sony FF mirrorless cameras in the future, I admired them for bringing wonderful consumer high-end cameras to the market (RX100 II, RX1, and now A7).
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I agree ... but in the case of Sony, there was no choice but to innovate, as they are a loss making company (due to poor product support) ... I would be happy to buy the Sony FF mirrorless camera if I know for certain that they will continue with this product without discarding it (and its customers) down the line ... first they said in Camera Stabilization is what they stand for, then they ditch it for this FF mirrorless without in-camera-stabilization, now there is no way to know for sure (given Sony's past) that they will not put in-camera-stabilization in a future model (screwing the early adopters) or continue on to make more image stabilized lenses. I want Sony to succeed and I thy they can, if they don't ditch their customers and provide sustained customer support. At the moment I am not really convinced by the FE lenses (except for the tiniest one), all those lenses look big for a camera of this size, especially the white one. If Sony succeeds in this, it will be good for the industry and we get to benefit from increased competition.
 

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distant.star said:
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Woody said:
PS: In comparison, Canon sold about 4 million and Nikon about 3.2 million interchangeable lens cameras in 6 months this year.
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Does this number include all the EOS-M cameras they gave away?
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OK lets deduct those 500 EOS-M cameras, that is still about 4 million interchangeable lens cameras Canon sold in the last 6 months this year
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
Dylan777 said:
By Sony: “the pre-ordered quantities are almost 200% bigger than expected"

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/from-source-sony-a7-a7r-preorders-200-more-than-expected-from-sony-sony-a7r-review-at-cameralabs/

Ok...let see more prime lenses please :o
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On that site, a member raised an interesting point ... which I agree with and it is one of the reasons why I am apprehensive about getting any Sony gear:
"This is my biggest concern, That I’ll get the camera in Dec and then in Feb they’ll release an IBIS version and make all future lenses without IBIS after the 2 already announced. Leaving early adopters with only a couple of IS lenses"

Note: IBIS = In Body Image Stabilization
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Still, I doubt that will have much impact on those in the Canon family where for most it would just be an extra body to use for high MP/high DR shots.
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
Dylan777 said:
neuroanatomist said:
Dylan777 said:
The BIG diff here is Sony brought 35mm sensor into tiny body at reasonable prices.
Click to expand...

True, but the OM-D E-M5 is part of an existing ecosystem of small, high quality lenses designed to match up with that small body. A FF sensor in a tiny body with a big lens means the tiny body is at best no real benefit, and more often a hinderance when handling the combination, basically the same as sticking an EOS M behind a 24-70/2.8 or 70-200 lens.

The appeal of the a7R to Canon shooters is that it works with their existing lenses, and provides a higher resolution sensor with better low ISO DR than any current Canon body. The appeal of the a7R to Nikon shooters is…not much, really. The appeal of the a7R to Sony shooters may be substantial…I bet many of the 350 of them are profoundly interested! :P
Click to expand...

LOL...It's hard for people to step out their comfort zone. Regardless what might happen to Sony FF mirrorless cameras in the future, I admired them for bringing wonderful consumer high-end cameras to the market (RX100 II, RX1, and now A7).
Click to expand...
I agree ... but in the case of Sony, there was no choice but to innovate, as they are a loss making company (due to poor product support) ... I would be happy to buy the Sony FF mirrorless camera if I know for certain that they will continue with this product without discarding it (and its customers) down the line ... first they said in Camera Stabilization is what they stand for, then they ditch it for this FF mirrorless without in-camera-stabilization, now there is no way to know for sure (given Sony's past) that they will not put in-camera-stabilization in a future model (screwing the early adopters) or continue on to make more image stabilized lenses. I want Sony to succeed and I thy they can, if they don't ditch their customers and provide sustained customer support. At the moment I am not really convinced by the FE lenses (except for the tiniest one), all those lenses look big for a camera of this size, especially the white one. If Sony succeeds in this, it will be good for the industry and we get to benefit from increased competition.
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Yes. I agree about long lenses on mirrorless :-\ It doesn't make sense.

The market has clearly devided in segments:
1. DSLR system - Canon & Nikon are still the best choice for photogs
2. Compact high end & mirrorless systems - Sony & Fuji seem to have upper hand

Technology only will get better, faster, smaller and cheaper....the ultimate question is how fast can these companies bring to the market?
 
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