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Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 Di VC USD

Doesn't look like the Tamron lacks sharpness to me. However I personally don't like black and white images so much, especially of flowers. The other shots are nice, Dustin. As for glorifying the iPhone as a "symbol of the era", I have a feeling decades from now, it won't be seen in such a positive light.
 
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TexasBadger said:
For the most part, this lens seems to be lacking in sharpness. My Canon 70-200L ver. 1 is sharper.

I wouldn't say that any test charts by any reviewer would agree with this statement. The consensus seems to be that other than 200mm the Tamron is actually a hair sharper than the MkII.

CarlTN said:
Doesn't look like the Tamron lacks sharpness to me. However I personally don't like black and white images so much, especially of flowers. The other shots are nice, Dustin. As for glorifying the iPhone as a "symbol of the era", I have a feeling decades from now, it won't be seen in such a positive light.

I disagree. I'm not saying that an iPhone is a "good thing", but the current generation values a smartphone over almost every other single thing, including cars. In fact, the car industry is afraid because fewer and fewer young people by percentage are even getting their driver's license. A symbol that defines a generation (like the free love and drug culture of the 60s) doesn't have to be a positive thing to be defining.
 
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TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
TexasBadger said:
For the most part, this lens seems to be lacking in sharpness. My Canon 70-200L ver. 1 is sharper.

I wouldn't say that any test charts by any reviewer would agree with this statement. The consensus seems to be that other than 200mm the Tamron is actually a hair sharper than the MkII.

CarlTN said:
Doesn't look like the Tamron lacks sharpness to me. However I personally don't like black and white images so much, especially of flowers. The other shots are nice, Dustin. As for glorifying the iPhone as a "symbol of the era", I have a feeling decades from now, it won't be seen in such a positive light.

I disagree. I'm not saying that an iPhone is a "good thing", but the current generation values a smartphone over almost every other single thing, including cars. In fact, the car industry is afraid because fewer and fewer young people by percentage are even getting their driver's license. A symbol that defines a generation (like the free love and drug culture of the 60s) doesn't have to be a positive thing to be defining.

Indeed, but if it's not a positive thing, it should not be part of a wedding photograph in my opinion. Wedding photos aren't just for the bride and groom, but for the family and friends to look at also. And one day the children and grandchildren of the couple, will mock them for placing such importance on the device, as if it is a living thing to be adored as much as each other on the wedding day.

I don't want to get into a debate over the impact and virtue of smartphones. Also not looking to get ganged up on for it (which is known to happen to me on here!) All I can say is, the perceived value is misplaced and in error. They eat into productivity and even hamper creative thought, not to mention social interaction. A little box should not come between people.

The whole propaganda about how cars are not as important as smartphones to young people today, might be true in part. However, for anyone who actually needs to drive somewhere everyday (and does not or cannot take public transport)...a car is vital. Most young people nowadays, do not work, so they have nowhere to go anyway. If they live in a city, they either walk, ride a bike, skateboard, take public transport...or get a ride. So it's not difficult to see why they would place a smartphone higher than a car in importance.

Certainly as a tool a smartphone has high value. The problem is...99% of the time, it's not used as a tool, but rather a crutch and a time waster. The person using it places it at a higher priority than work, family, coworkers...and for what? For playing a game usually, or commenting on twitter.

Not that I think Quentin Tarantino is quite the genius many of his fans think he is, but I do agree with his stated policy of no cell phones or smart phones allowed on his movie sets. One thing Tarantino is not, is "backward thinking".

Intelligent people can disagree, but really all you are doing is catering to your customer. That's fine for you, and for your business model. It's just not so great in the grand scheme of things, in my opinion.

I apologize for not falling in line here, but as you know, I am opinionated. I hold nothing against you or your work personally, and I think most of it I have seen, is quite nice.
 
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Anyone using/used this lens for sports? I keep hearing that the AF is slightly slower, but nothing to really quantify that. I currently have the canon mk 1 and am looking to upgrade. But since I shoot almost exclusively sports, AF speed is/can be an issue for me.

Thanks!
 
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AF speed is nearly identical. The MkII will intially go faster, but will hunt toward the end. The Tamron will go a touch slower, but does not hunt. Mind you, this happens in lower light condition. In bright sunlight, I went back and forth between focusing on a far away object, and then one that's only a few feet away. The difference is so slight, that I doubt I could tell the difference if I didn't already know what I'm holding in my hand.

For me, the limitation on tracking subject will be the 6D's own AF system. Not bad in bright light, but will be subject in lower light (unless you use center point all the time).
 
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Day #2 with both lenses, and I still can't make up my mind. I still have to look at the EXIF data to figure out which is shot by what lens :). That's a good problem I guess right?

If it ends up being this close, I think I'll keep the Tamron. The extra money can go toward a fast prime maybe :).
 
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Hey all,

Thanks, Click! That was from a trip to Monterey, CA. There are more images on my Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/gary.watson.98229/media_set?set=a.680475548636020.1073741833.10000020742625
8&type=3, from that trip. Every picture in that album was shot with a Canon 7D and this lens. There was a jelly exhibit while we were there, along with the sea horses!

Gary W.
 
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thepancakeman said:
Anyone using/used this lens for sports? I keep hearing that the AF is slightly slower, but nothing to really quantify that. I currently have the canon mk 1 and am looking to upgrade. But since I shoot almost exclusively sports, AF speed is/can be an issue for me.

Thanks!

Hey all,

The only sport I have shot with it, so far, is baseball. With the AF capabilities of the 7D, I had NO PROBLEMS keeping up with any of the action!

Gary W.
 
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BoneDoc said:
AF speed is nearly identical. The MkII will intially go faster, but will hunt toward the end. The Tamron will go a touch slower, but does not hunt. Mind you, this happens in lower light condition. In bright sunlight, I went back and forth between focusing on a far away object, and then one that's only a few feet away. The difference is so slight, that I doubt I could tell the difference if I didn't already know what I'm holding in my hand.

For me, the limitation on tracking subject will be the 6D's own AF system. Not bad in bright light, but will be subject in lower light (unless you use center point all the time).

Interesting comparison! My theory about the 6D's AF failing too often, is because when you leave all points active, for some reason the system almost never hands off to the center point. It keeps trying to focus with the others even when the subject is clearly under the center point. It has no problem handing off amongst the other outer points...but if it could only give equal weight to the center when all are active (rather than neglect it), I feel it wouldn't lose lock so easily. If Canon would ever change this via firmware or something, that would be good.
 
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TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
...I do think the Tamron handles the transition from focus to defocus more smoothly than the Canon.

+1
I was never pleased with the (latest) Canon's rendition of transition areas; went from busy to garish to, "what's that other stuff in there?"
I'm thinking of getting this Tamron in F mount to replace or complement my Nikon 70-200/4vr. Also a very sharp lens but suffers from similar transitional area bokeh ugliness. (but it's so small and light..)
 
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Aglet said:
TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
...I do think the Tamron handles the transition from focus to defocus more smoothly than the Canon.

+1
I was never pleased with the (latest) Canon's rendition of transition areas; went from busy to garish to, "what's that other stuff in there?"
I'm thinking of getting this Tamron in F mount to replace or complement my Nikon 70-200/4vr. Also a very sharp lens but suffers from similar transitional area bokeh ugliness. (but it's so small and light..)

Wow, I never thought I will hear this about 70-200 mk II (I hope you guys are referring to that lens) which some here (and elsewhere) consider to be the best canon zoom lens made till date (it surely may be so)! Now day by day my itch of buying the Tamron 70-200 grows exponentially. (now the rose petals will suffer) I should buy it now, I should wait till next year, I should buy it now, I should wait.........
 
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RAKAMRAK said:
Aglet said:
TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
...I do think the Tamron handles the transition from focus to defocus more smoothly than the Canon.

+1
I was never pleased with the (latest) Canon's rendition of transition areas; went from busy to garish to, "what's that other stuff in there?"
I'm thinking of getting this Tamron in F mount to replace or complement my Nikon 70-200/4vr. Also a very sharp lens but suffers from similar transitional area bokeh ugliness. (but it's so small and light..)

Wow, I never thought I will hear this about 70-200 mk II (I hope you guys are referring to that lens) which some here (and elsewhere) consider to be the best canon zoom lens made till date (it surely may be so)! Now day by day my itch of buying the Tamron 70-200 grows exponentially. (now the rose petals will suffer) I should buy it now, I should wait till next year, I should buy it now, I should wait.........

That's the one.
Canon's lens (& Nikon's) may be incredibly sharp and very well corrected for the focus plane, but the out-of-plane areas can look like garbage in some conditions.

see my e.g. here, look at the R side of the apple on the R side and tell me that's a nice bokeh rendition of the branches behind it. ;)

www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=819.210

I've had many shots with busy backgrounds made more ugly by this lens so I got rid of it.
I posted a similarly ugly shot from the Nikon 70-200/4vr somewhere too.

A good lens is not always about ultimate sharpness, those other areas matter too. (Also, Canon's 70-200/2.8L IS 2 has a fair bit of CA in FF corners)
I really like what I saw when just quickly testing the Tamron. I can see the Canon and Nikon lens trouble areas just thru the viewfinder while racking focus over busy backgrounds. Do that w the Tam and you won't see nearly as much of that radial bokeh effect.
I'll trade ultimate sharpness for a better-balanced performance on pretty much any lens. As such, I sold my Canon 2.8 L 2, have been still using my Nikon kit for now and will likely add this Tamron in the future.
 
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Aglet said:
TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
...I do think the Tamron handles the transition from focus to defocus more smoothly than the Canon.

+1
I was never pleased with the (latest) Canon's rendition of transition areas; went from busy to garish to, "what's that other stuff in there?"
I'm thinking of getting this Tamron in F mount to replace or complement my Nikon 70-200/4vr. Also a very sharp lens but suffers from similar transitional area bokeh ugliness. (but it's so small and light..)

Exactly. Many reviews focus only on the "bokeh balls", which is only part of the story. To me the transition zone is more important to the final image. That is part of the reason that I was really impressed with the Canon 70-300L for being a variable aperture zoom - it works really well in the transition zone and so images from it are (to my eye) very pleasing.
 
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