The Canon EOS R1 may not come until the 2nd half of 2023 [CR2]

neuroanatomist

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It will be obsolete by time it comes out. Canon missed the boat.
I hit the boat hit you on the head as you were bobbing in the water. At least, that’s one possible explanation for your inane perseveration.
 
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JohnC

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I recently purchased an R3. I’ve used various top of line bodies over the years…R3 passes them all in my opinion. Sony has a good product, but I don’t think they score as well overall. We will see what the market says and if it is any different than what it has said for years now.
 

dirtyvu

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I also sometimes get buffering problems when shooting a series of short 1 second 20fps bursts on the R5. Not sure what you mean when you say "that pause is very strange" - my R5 just completely locks up, and the only way to get it going again is to drop the battery and reboot. Fortunately it doesn't happen very often. The problem isn't restricted to the R5 either - I've got a friend who has exactly the same issue with his Z9.

I've never had it lock up. so when I say a "pause", I'm meaning it's not linear and instant. like imagine climbing a hill to a sharp point and then descending linearly off that point. that's behavior i would expect.

but in the "pause", it's more like a roller coaster climbing to a peak, it gets to that peak and kind of stops for a second or two and then it plunges. when I hit the buffer on the R5, it kind of pauses at the peak, and then all of a sudden it writes them all down really fast.
 

tpatana

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So about 12-18 month until I could get R1.... makes me wonder if I should get R3 to replace my 1DX.
 
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Getting an R1 or an R3 (and it will either be one or the other) really depends on whether I want to move to a single-body camera solution or not. I currently shoot with a pair of EOS RPs for events, theatre photos, and weddings, and while it would be a major change to go from 2 low-end bodies with fast primes to a high-end body with a fast zoom (like the 28-70), I might be willing to do it. That setup would probably cost me 10K, though, even after selling my old gear.
 
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Getting an R1 or an R3 (and it will either be one or the other) really depends on whether I want to move to a single-body camera solution or not. I currently shoot with a pair of EOS RPs for events, theatre photos, and weddings, and while it would be a major change to go from 2 low-end bodies with fast primes to a high-end body with a fast zoom (like the 28-70), I might be willing to do it. That setup would probably cost me 10K, though, even after selling my old gear.
For the use cases you mention, an R5 is a lower cost option that sacrifices little to nothing (And I say that one who shoots with both an R3 and an R5).
 
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So about 12-18 month until I could get R1.... makes me wonder if I should get R3 to replace my 1DX.
I moved from an 1DX to the R3. It's damn fast, but I'm still strugglig to learn how to take advantage of all the improvements. Getting there is definitely a journey.

For example, I haven't touched any of the AF modes yet.
 
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navastronia

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For the use cases you mention, an R5 is a lower cost option that sacrifices little to nothing (And I say that one who shoots with both an R3 and an R5).

Great point, but . . . Is it vain and irrational that I really want a body with a built in vertical grip? Oh, it is? OK, yes, I suspected this ;)
 
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tpatana

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I use R5 with grip. Built-in is nicer but I have no complaints on R5 with grip.
 
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I wonder what the R1 will have to segment itself from the R3? Maybe it will have a global shutter? Does the 1D/R1 market even want high MP or would they prefer around 24MP like the R3? They would have to make sure it doesn't have any freezing issues as reported by several on here with the R5/R3.
Why would they make an R1 the exact same resolution as the R3, especially when the competition is putting out 45mpx flagship cameras. I think the R3 is merely a stop gap camera. The value for 6K doesn't come close to the Z9 or A1.
 

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EOS R1 to be used by 2024 Summer Olympics makes sense.

If I cannot wait then the less than 1 year old 2021 EOS R3 would be what I'd buy today.

What other RF L lenses are needed by within 23 months?

Listed below are possible candidates

RF L Primes
  • RF 500mm f/4L IS USM
  • RF 400mm f/5.6L IS USM
  • RF 300mm f/4L IS USM
  • RF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM
  • RF 200mm f/2L IS USM
  • RF 200mm f/2.8L IS USM
  • RF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
  • RF 135mm f/2L USM
  • RF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM
  • RF 35mm f/1.4L USM
  • RF 24mm f/1.4L USM
  • RF 14mm f/2.8L USM
RF L Zooms
  • RF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x
  • RF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
  • RF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM
  • RF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM
  • RF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Lens
  • RF 70-200mm f/4L USM Lens
  • RF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM
  • RF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
  • RF 14-35mm f/4L USM
  • RF 15-35mm f/2.8L USM
  • RF 11-24mm f/4L USM
  • RF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM
 
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An R1 needs to offer more than eye focus and 24mpx to differentiate itself from a $6K R3. Canon is already behind the competition and another 24mpx body another year down the road will be more underwhelming than the R3 was....
 

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EOS R1 to be used by 2024 Summer Olympics makes sense.

If I cannot wait then the less than 1 year old 2021 EOS R3 would be what I'd buy today.

What other RF L lenses are needed by within 23 months?

Listed below are possible candidates

RF L Primes
  • RF 500mm f/4L IS USM
  • RF 400mm f/5.6L IS USM
  • RF 300mm f/4L IS USM
  • RF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM
  • RF 200mm f/2L IS USM
  • RF 200mm f/2.8L IS USM
  • RF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
  • RF 135mm f/2L USM
  • RF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM
  • RF 35mm f/1.4L USM
  • RF 24mm f/1.4L USM
  • RF 14mm f/2.8L USM
RF L Zooms
  • RF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x
  • RF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
  • RF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM
  • RF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM
  • RF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Lens
  • RF 70-200mm f/4L USM Lens
  • RF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM
  • RF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
  • RF 14-35mm f/4L USM
  • RF 15-35mm f/2.8L USM
  • RF 11-24mm f/4L USM
  • RF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM
Did you just change EF for RF on that list?

Since the EF to RF transition gives Canon a 'clean' map of possible lenses, I would expect them to take different choices over their EF lens map.
LIke, choosing not to launch 70-200 non-IS zooms.

For example, the EF 400 5.6L and the 300 4L designs are very old, I highly doubt that Canon will make new designs for RF. The EF 200-400mm is probably replaced by the RF 100-500mm zoom, in the eyes of Canon (even though they never said that). Same can be said to those demanding a 200-600mm zoom.

Personally, I've been puzzled by the lack of the 300/2.8L and 500/4L, but I am putting it down to lack of (sufficient) demand.
 
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Did you just change EF for RF on that list?

Since the EF to RF transition gives Canon a 'clean' map of possible lenses, I would expect them to take different choices over their EF lens map.
LIke, choosing not to launch 70-200 non-IS zooms.

For example, the EF 400 5.6L and the 300 4L designs are very old, I highly doubt that Canon will make new designs for RF. The EF 200-400mm is probably replaced by the RF 100-500mm zoom, in the eyes of Canon (even though they never said that). Same can be said to those demanding a 200-600mm zoom.

Personally, I've been puzzled by the lack of the 300/2.8L and 500/4L, but I am putting it down to lack of (sufficient) demand.

It isn't unreasonable to consider that over 90% of EF L lenses will transition to the RF mount.

Others could be equivalents to what Nikon/Sony/Sigma/Tamron/Tokina unique focal lengths.

So far that's what is happening now.

As for the non-IS zooms I see it being scheduled for release by mid 2020s.

EF 400 5.6L and the 300 4L could see a new optical design for the RF mount.

300/2.8L and 500/4L I expect it to be out before the 2024 Games
 

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As for the non-IS zooms I see it being scheduled for release by mid 2020s.
The EF 70-200/2.8L IS was updated twice, the non-IS version was never updated after the IS version launched. There won’t be non-IS 70-200 zooms in RF, there’s no point.

EF 400 5.6L and the 300 4L could see a new optical design for the RF mount.
Sure, they could. In the same way, you and I could both win the lottery tomorrow. In reality, those old designs became unpopular after the 100-400 came out, which is why the latter saw an update and the primes did not. The 100-500 replaces all of them (but I don’t agree with @kaihp that it replaces the 200-400, that lens in in a completely different class).

300/2.8L and 500/4L I expect it to be out before the 2024 Games
Sooner, I hope!
 
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The EF 70-200/2.8L IS was updated twice, the non-IS version was never updated after the IS version launched. There won’t be non-IS 70-200 zooms in RF, there’s no point.


Sure, they could. In the same way, you and I could both win the lottery tomorrow. In reality, those old designs became unpopular after the 100-400 came out, which is why the latter saw an update and the primes did not. The 100-500 replaces all of them (but I don’t agree with @kaihp that it replaces the 200-400, that lens in in a completely different class).


Sooner, I hope!
Canon kept specific EF lens SKUs unchanged for decades to provide a cheap alternative and to capture whatever money from users who couldn't get the higher-end lens.

Something to dissuade users from going Sigma, Tamron or Tokina.

This can be easily identified by the street price of the lens as compared to the 3rd party alternatives.

Not everyone can buy the latest and greatest on the drop of a hat.
 

neuroanatomist

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Canon kept specific EF lens SKUs unchanged for decades to provide a cheap alternative and to capture whatever money from users who couldn't get the higher-end lens.

Something to dissuade users from going Sigma, Tamron or Tokina.

This can be easily identified by the street price of the lens as compared to the 3rd party alternatives.

Not everyone can buy the latest and greatest on the drop of a hat.
Are you suggesting that new RF non-IS versions of the 70-200 zooms would somehow serve as cheap alternatives to the IS versions? Sorry, but LOL. Still not seeing the point of non-IS versions. Same story for the telephoto primes.

Canon could easily keep those lenses unchanged because the development was a sunk cost. That would not be the case for new RF versions, which is why we won't see them. Canon wants people to buy the RF 100-500L with extenders, and for those without sufficient funds they offer the RF 100-400, 600/11 and 800/11.