The Canon EOS R1 will come well before the EOS R5 Mark II [CR3]

[john1970]

When Canon released the R3 in Nov 2021 they stated the following:

"The sensor’s specification has been optimised to be the perfect balance between resolution, low-light performance and transmittable file size, meeting the requirements of professional news and sports photographers. Digital Lens Optimizer maximises the detail that’s possible from the lens in combination with the sensor, to offer image quality way beyond expectations."

The R1 is also a professional sports photography camera and I anticipate a similar philosophy (even though I as a wildlife photographer would iike more resolution.)

With that said, there are still numerous areas besides resolution where Canon can improve in the R1 vs. the R3 (e.g., 1000 frame buffer at maximum frame rate, X-type AF sensors, RAW Burst Mode with deeper buffer, faster AF calculations (60 Hz to 120 Hz). Dual CFE slots and spot metering linked to AF points are a given.

We shall see....

 

[roby17269]

The R1 is also a professional sports photography camera and I anticipate a similar philosophy (even though I as a wildlife photographer would iike more resolution.)

Has Canon stated that the R1 will be a pro sport photography camera? Why would they have 2 pro sport cameras? (R3 and R1)

We shall see....

That we shall

 

[john1970]

Has Canon stated that the R1 will be a pro sport photography camera? Why would they have 2 pro sport cameras? (R3 and R1)

That we shall

I agree. If history is any prediction of the future the R1 will be a pro sport photography camera just like all 1 series cameras before it. With that said, I expect some surprises from Canon. The R3 might be a one off camera like the EOS 3 before it.

Once we have specifications on the R1 we should know more wrt to the R3s future....

Always fun to speculate and conjecture!

 

[Flip'n flippy]

You'd also be the only customer

Wrong, I'd buy it.

 

[Bob Howland]

I agree. If history is any prediction of the future the R1 will be a pro sport photography camera just like all 1 series cameras before it. With that said, I expect some surprises from Canon. The R3 might be a one off camera like the EOS 3 before it.

Once we have specifications on the R1 we should know more wrt to the R3s future....

Always fun to speculate and conjecture!

Or maybe the R3-2 will be an R1 but in a much smaller body, without the grip. The R5-2 becomes the high resolution body.

 

[john1970]

Or maybe the R3-2 will be an R1 but in a much smaller body, without the grip. The R5-2 becomes the high resolution body.

Frankly, no on has any specific info which is good. It is somewhat humorous that I have been reading some post of the Nikon Z9/Z8. Users are pointing out the significantly worse high ISO performance relative to a Nikon D6 and people are wishing the Z9/Z8 had fewer MP. High native resolution or high ISO performance pick one! Yes one can downsample to remove noise, but then why shoot at high resolution in the first place.

Case in point: You cannot please everyone. Frankly, I hope Canon makes the R1 a modest increase in resolution with a resolution in the low 30s. Maybe the best of both world's.

Fun fun fun...

 

[koenkooi]

Or maybe the R3-2 will be an R1 but in a much smaller body, without the grip. The R5-2 becomes the high resolution body.

I strongly suspect that a formfactor change will also mean a name change. So that gripless R3II would be an R4.

Not sure how that would be positioned against the R6 series, would people pay €2000 more for gaining CFe, a bigger buffer, nicer EVF and faster readout?

 

[john1970]

Frankly, no on has any specific info which is good. It is somewhat humorous that I have been reading some post of the Nikon Z9/Z8. Users are pointing out the significantly worse high ISO performance relative to a Nikon D6 and people are wishing the Z9/Z8 had fewer MP. High native resolution or high ISO performance pick one! Yes one can downsample to remove noise, but then why shoot at high resolution in the first place.

Case in point: You cannot please everyone. Frankly, I hope Canon makes the R1 a modest increase in resolution with a resolution in the low 30s. Maybe the best of both worlds and.a solid compromise.

Fun fun fun...

 

[DrD]

I strongly suspect that a formfactor change will also mean a name change. So that gripless R3II would be an R4.

Not sure how that would be positioned against the R6 series, would people pay €2000 more for gaining CFe, a bigger buffer, nicer EVF and faster readout?

Canon could radically change the form factor, possibly include an EVF attachment to be used with the multi-functiion hot-shoe, this could free up internal body space at the top of the camera for dual-sensor type configuration (think a rectangular cartridge for IBIS purposes that retracts when the camera is powered off, then user can select Sensor A or B). The power zoom attachment is 1000 more on the new RF 28-105 f2.8, so Canon could offer more than one type of attachable EVF, perhaps one that can angle into a vertical position. They could sell these obviously for a price, and charge more for the 9 million dot 240 Hz blackout free ones!

The patent for the selectable internal ND may be intended for a selectable sensor. This could be what Canon means when they say "Master of everything".

Speculation is fun

 

[Roo]

I couldn't agree more...but the first one was the worst.

oh come on - it was fine...so long as you didn't live near anywhere that had moose

 

[roby17269]

I agree. If history is any prediction of the future the R1 will be a pro sport photography camera just like all 1 series cameras before it. With that said, I expect some surprises from Canon. The R3 might be a one off camera like the EOS 3 before it.

Once we have specifications on the R1 we should know more wrt to the R3s future....

Always fun to speculate and conjecture!

Indeed it is fun... and it fuels 98% of threads here and on other fora

 

[Del Paso]

oh come on - it was fine...so long as you didn't live near anywhere that had moose

Right!
An army of killer-elks was trained by BMW, Lexus, Audi & co. to savagely attack the innocent A Class!
(3rd. generation A Class was far better than its predecessors). But still no real fun to drive...

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Case in point: You cannot please everyone.

I think Sony is doing the right thing by having the a1 and a9 be separate lines.
I just think Sony is doing a poor job of distinguishing when the a1 is the better choice.
Maybe they are afraid of folks opting for the Z 8 since all of their Sony lenses can be adapted.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I strongly suspect that a formfactor change will also mean a name change. So that gripless R3II would be an R4

I do not think an R4 would be a bad idea.
I am sure some folks would prefer that it be an R6 III but that would mean the R6 III could not share with the R8 II.
It would also make sense to just let the R8 price drop instead of having an R8 II so soon.
Neither seems like a bad idea.

 

[kaihp]

I do not think an R4 would be a bad idea.

Except that 4 has bad connotations in both Japanese and Chinese languages, so it is unlikely they want to call it "4".

In China, four (四 - pronounced sì) has the same pronounciation as death (死), so many avoid that. I've seen highrise buildings without all floor numbers that would have a '4' in it. Same with hotel room numbers.

In Japanese, the characters are the same and they have the same pronunciation: Shi.

 

[Del Paso]

Wrong, I'd buy it.

Me too, me too!

 

[Del Paso]

Except that 4 has bad connotations in both Japanese and Chinese languages, so it is unlikely they want to call it "4".

In China, four (四 - pronounced sì) has the same pronounciation as death (死), so many avoid that. I've seen highrise buildings without all floor numbers that would have a '4' in it. Same with hotel room numbers.

In Japanese, the characters are the same and they have the same pronunciation: Shi.

I can only confirm. During my active years, I got many gifts from Japanese customers. Never 4 pieces, never.
The power of traditions, or should I say superstition?
And yet, the EOS 5 D IV...perhaps it was named differently for the Japanese and Chinese markets?

 

[kaihp]

I can only confirm. During my active years, I got many gifts from Japanese customers. Never 4 pieces, never.
The power of traditions, or should I say superstition?
And yet, the EOS 5 D IV...perhaps it was named differently for the Japanese and Chines markets?

Call it tradition or superstition. Same, really.

At least in China, it was called 5D Mk IV.

 

[john1970]

The patent for the selectable internal ND may be intended for a selectable sensor. This could be what Canon means when they say "Master of everything".

Speculation is fun

A selectable sensor would be amazing, but how that would work would be IMO a mechanical and electrical nightmare.

 

[Del Paso]

Call it tradition or superstition. Same, really.

At least in China, it was called 5D Mk IV.

I also remember our "Intercultural Training" during which we were warned, never to hand out 4 similar business gifts to Japanese or Chinese collegues and customers.
No superstition here, only basic politeness...