The New EOS [CR3]

[Canon Rumors]

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<p><strong>New EOS</strong>

We will see a new camera on Tuesday and below I am confirming what we pretty much already know.</p>
<ul>
<li>1D/1Ds line is about to be amalgamated. (Name Unknown)</li>
<li>Full Frame</li>
<li>18mp</li>
<li>12 fps</li>
<li>61 AF Points</li>
<li>New Battery</li>
<li>Available in March</li>
<li>Price unknown, but I suspect more than the 1D Mark IV</li>
</ul>
<p>2012 is shaping up to be an interesting year for EOS.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/10/rumored-1d-mark-v-for-october-spec-list-cr1/">previous spec lists</a> are pretty much bang on.</p>
<p><strong>Lenses?

</strong>I have received no word of a new lens being announced at the same time. I suspect they’ll stagger announcements. The 24-70 f/2.8L II is the only lens being mentioned. Possibly in November. This isn’t included in the [CR3] rating.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[ions]

Need to hear about the high ISO performance and dynamic range capabilities before I get too excited.

 

[thepancakeman]

Yeah baby! Now I just gotta figure out what bank to rob so I can afford one....

 

[Bob Howland]

On the other hand, there's this:

http://www.photographybay.com/2011/10/14/canons-announcement-next-week-wont-be-a-dslr-or-lens/

OK Canon, you've had your fun. Now just INTRODUCE SOMETHING!

 

[Justin]

Well, I won't be buying a 18mpx full frame camera. Just not going to happen. I'm sure it'll be great for wedding photogs. It's going to be much less useful for studio, sports, and landscape shooters.

I've said before and I'll repeat. This makes very little sense to me.

 

[seanmcr6]

I am NOT suggesting that the megapixel war is that important...but if this is indeed the new flagship, how can they make it 18mp? That lower than the older (almost 3 years) 5DmkII....

The DR better be spectacular and the video features need to blow the 5D away....

 

[thepancakeman]

Well, I won't be buying a 18mpx full frame camera. Just not going to happen. I'm sure it'll be great for wedding photogs. It's going to be much less useful for studio, sports, and landscape shooters.

I've said before and I'll repeat. This makes very little sense to me.

So how is 12 FPS and 61 AF points "less useful" for sports? And although I'm all for higher megapixels, I'm willing to bet that the other performance aspects of this camera are over the top and I'm fairly certain at least someone somewhere once took a good sports photo at 18MP. :

 

[ssrdd]

why 18mp? what about video?

thanks.

 

[moreorless]

Well, I won't be buying a 18mpx full frame camera. Just not going to happen. I'm sure it'll be great for wedding photogs. It's going to be much less useful for studio, sports, and landscape shooters.

I've said before and I'll repeat. This makes very little sense to me.

The feeling could be that the demand for high megapixels in a large body just isnt there anymore.

The 5D mk2 hurting 1Ds sales so badly seems to suggest that and the rumoured D800 seems to hint that Nikon maybe going in that direction.

 

[Loswr]

Hmmm... Do I want this camera? Probably. If it comes as spec'd, it replaces my 5DII, just as a 1DsIV would. I don't mind the loss of 3 MP at all, and triple the frame rate is a nice bonus.

I don't see it as an amalgamation. The loss of the 1.3x crop factor is a problem, and could only be solved in a merged line by a sensor with enough resolution to allow cropping to a least 16 MP to match the 1D IV (i.e. a 27 MP sensor). An 18 MP FF sensor cropped to 1.3x gives 10.5 MP, a little short of where I'd like. So, really, I see this as a 1Ds IV, whatever they call it. The 'step down' from 21 MP to 18 MP is no biggie, and at least in the P&S line Canon has shown a willingness to drop MP count in a new model.

If the reason for dropping the MP is a new sensor design with better DR and ISO performance, I'm on board.

 

[Loswr]

I'm willing to bet that the other performance aspects of this camera are over the top and I'm fairly certain at least someone somewhere once took a good sports photo at 18MP. :

Sure they did. But would it have been as good if they had to crop it to 10 MP to get the framing they wanted? What about the shooters with 400/2.8 lenses - often you need f/2.8 for the stop of light, so the 500/4 is not a good solution to get back the 1.3x, not even considering the cost...

 

[Tarrum]

Holy smokes.

I don't really care about megapixels, as long as there are more than 10, but this is going to be the 1D now? No 1Ds? The camera looks great, we're a little bit spoiled, but the ISO performance better be spectacular otherwise it'll be nothing that special. 2 years ago it would've been.

I'm still not completely sold on this info, because how will Canon compete with three D models (if they come) with one single line? Either they're gonna have to release a new 1D model when Nikon puts their thing out, or there's a new line coming out, or this camera is amazing.

 

[Britman]

why 18mp? what about video?

18mp doesn't really have any affect on HD video as the image size is way beyond HD already.
thanks.

 

[Woody]

Camera just needs to be better than current Nikon D3s:
- 18 MP FF vs 12 MP FF
- better high ISO performance (higher native ISO 51,200 vs 12,800 seems to hint this... but needs confirmation)
- 12 fps vs 10 fps
- better video mode 1080p vs 720p
- dynamic range?????

The last factor is the biggest unknown. If Canon can perform as well as, if not better than the D3s in terms of low ISO dynamic range, they have a winner in their hands. Camera may not appeal to landscape and studio photographers, but it certainly grants Canon bragging rights in the sports arena and easily out-spec the upcoming Nikon D800 except for pixel count. Wait a minute... isn't everyone crying for a stop to the megapixel race???

Anyway, if the 1D5 turns out to have impressive low IS dynamic range, then we can be sure the 2012 Canon DSLRs will have similar improvement... fingers crossed.

 

[insider]

Guys~i guess it is mirrorless camera by Canon , not an eos .
Canon will trump all the mirrorless competitor with a fullframe mirrorless camera =) look at the spec it is not hard to imagine it is related to mirrorless camera.


Full Frame
18mp
"12 fps"
61 AF Points <–multi area , touch screen perhaps~

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Well, I won't be buying a 18mpx full frame camera. Just not going to happen. I'm sure it'll be great for wedding photogs. It's going to be much less useful for studio, sports, and landscape shooters.

I've said before and I'll repeat. This makes very little sense to me.

So how is 12 FPS and 61 AF points "less useful" for sports?

Sports photographers (Pros) use their 1D MK IV cameras along with their 400mm f/2.8 lenses.

All of a sudden, they will need a 520mm f/2.8 lens to get the same field of view, or crop to a 10MP image rather than the 16mp image they now have once again to get the same field of view.

I'd say that would be less useful for them.

 

[Haydn1971]

Sorry folks, I'm just not seeing the market stomach the range topping camera droping 3mpx after three years progress.... Sure ok, I can see the 1Ds being 18mpx full frame, even considering the cost involved in development of a new full frame sensor, but with a 24mpx Sony full frame sensor out there, the 24mpx APS-C also, talk of 36mpx at Nikon, I'm smelling lots of brown stuff here and if this proves to be true in terms of a 1Ds suspect a 1D being out soon after with a big jump or some kind of change to the 1D range where the sensor is upgradable, in the same way as the medium frame cameras - a data back solution.

 

[thepancakeman]

I'm willing to bet that the other performance aspects of this camera are over the top and I'm fairly certain at least someone somewhere once took a good sports photo at 18MP. :

Sure they did. But would it have been as good if they had to crop it to 10 MP to get the framing they wanted? What about the shooters with 400/2.8 lenses - often you need f/2.8 for the stop of light, so the 500/4 is not a good solution to get back the 1.3x, not even considering the cost...

I agree, but in my mind that's what the 7D is for. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if this camera were 40MP if that didn't come with a cost in other areas. But I think the 1.3x is kinda no man's land for a lot (most?) of us--either go FF or 1.6.

 

[kubelik]

I agree with the folks who are unhappy about an 18 MP full frame sensor, I'd much rather see something in the high 20's or low 30's.

However, let's take a step back and see how this does make sense:

1. Nikon's competing "sports" camera is only 12.1 MP. So 18 can still carry the day. It's a bit of a shock from the extended reach we used to get with a 1.3x crop factor but ... in time we will adjust. And, if the ISO quality improves significantly, then using a 500 f/4 may not be a step back from 400 f/2.8.

2. Everyone knows that, for all intents and purposes, the 5D2 killed the 1DsIII. so why not just have a sports-shooting 1D series body, and then a high-MP 5D III? I think this is where it's going. hopefully the 5DIII gets some serious AF and weathersealing improvements to compensate.

that's my guess at where Canon is headed, and as the potential buyer of a 5D3 ... it makes me very excited.

 

[awinphoto]

If this is the 1d/ids series specs... I hate to see the 5d specs... maybe the 5d mark II is starting to look more appealing... but wont believe a word till i read the specs on the press release...