The sensor in the upcoming Canon EOS R3 is designed and manufactured by Canon

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I doubt that an upgraded hotshoe (with spring loaded contacts) could match the data rates that 5 GHz WiFi can provide, ie transfer speeds of >1 Mb/s, considering the care that must be taken when making wired ethernet connections at that speed (ie double-shielding of cables and connectors...)
5GHz Wifi is easily carried through a regular 8P8C connector.
 
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To me it matters. I've disliked Sony as a company since way before they were in the ILC business. Their attitude towards standards etc. I would never buy anything that has a main component manufactured by them.

It would also not look promising for the future if the Company whos system I'm investing into is dependent on their main competitor. Then they will then always be at a disadvantage. That goes for all companies.
Perish the thought, when Canon decides to do this it means curtains for any future camera purchase.
 

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It will overheat even recording externally if I do not remove the cards but it takes longer to overheat than recording directly to the cards.
If your theory were correct then it would not overheat recording 8K RAW.
You can only record 8k raw, 4k120 etc to the CFe card and not externally. The sensor/processor/card slots/small body/low temperature burn limits all contribute to the heat buildup in the R5. Recording externally unlimited is only for 4k30 (4k60?) and only with no cards in the slots. For some reason, having cards in the slots still generates heat with the controllers being activated - ready for recording.
 

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You can only record 8k raw, 4k120 etc to the CFe card and not externally. The sensor/processor/card slots/small body/low temperature burn limits all contribute to the heat buildup in the R5. Recording externally unlimited is only for 4k30 (4k60?) and only with no cards in the slots. For some reason, having cards in the slots still generates heat with the controllers being activated - ready for recording.
The new Ninja V+ will let the R5 record 8K RAW externally.
Atomos has not given any indication that the R5 will be able to record 4K 120 FPS externally but they have indicated that a few other cameras are able to.
 

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And PS, it’s gonna cost 6999 euro. As we know from Canon. You’d expect it to be 4999 so Canon will add up a bit to make the price unreal and unfair, as we know Canon policy for years.
What you call "unreal and unfair" is known as Price Skimming, a standard pricing practice of many companies.

 

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What you call "unreal and unfair" is known as Price Skimming, a standard pricing practice of many companies.

You could be on to something there, or not.....

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The new Ninja V+ will let the R5 record 8K RAW externally.
Atomos has not given any indication that the R5 will be able to record 4K 120 FPS externally but they have indicated that a few other cameras are able to.
Has the Ninja V+ been released/tested yet? I saw an announcement but not availability and the announcement didn't have details..
The limiting bandwidth is the HDMI 2.0 port in the R5. It can't handle the full 2600mb/s bit rate of the R5's 8K raw or 1300mb/s 8k all-i or 1440mb/s 4K/120. It might handle the raw lite compressed option though this will generate more processor heat due to the compression. Not sure if there is an option for 8 vs 10 bit 4:2:2 either via the HDMI port.

In comparison, the Sony A1's 8k oversampled 4:2:0 bit rate is only 400mb/s so CFe type A cards can handle it and record externally. No true "raw" footage per se compared to Canon's perfectly dimensioned 8k/4k scaling.
 

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Has the Ninja V+ been released/tested yet? I saw an announcement but not availability and the announcement didn't have details..
The limiting bandwidth is the HDMI 2.0 port in the R5. It can't handle the full 2600mb/s bit rate of the R5's 8K raw or 1300mb/s 8k all-i or 1440mb/s 4K/120. It might handle the raw lite compressed option though this will generate more processor heat due to the compression. Not sure if there is an option for 8 vs 10 bit 4:2:2 either via the HDMI port.

In comparison, the Sony A1's 8k oversampled 4:2:0 bit rate is only 400mb/s so CFe type A cards can handle it and record externally. No true "raw" footage per se compared to Canon's perfectly dimensioned 8k/4k scaling.
I haven't seen anything yet nor heard of the Canon firmware needed to make it work.
 
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I haven't seen anything yet nor heard of the Canon firmware needed to make it work.
Firmware 1.3 introduced:
"2. Added Low Bitrate recording option, allowing users to shoot smaller file size footage with lower image details. This is very useful for longer recordings that do not require the best possible image quality or when storage space is a concern."
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-canon-eos-r6-and-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-firmware-released/
I haven't tested it yet though. Happy to hear from others who have used the feature....
 
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Yes, in the past, Sony had a definite advantage over Canon when it came to noise. But for today's sensors, you couldn't be more incorrect. Prior to releasing the Canon 5D mark IV, Sony sensors had lower noise than Canon sensors due to their on chip ADC architecture which Canon was slow to move to. Since the change to on-chip ADC, Canon's sensors are essentially equal to Sony's when it comes to noise. So there has been a lot of improvement for Canon in the last 8 years.
There are noise comparison tools and if you for example compare the 1D X and the 1DX Mark III, there are eight years between them and you see some noise improvements, but not a lot. It is definitely much less than one stop in eight years. I would have expected at least two stops of improvement in that time frame. In the eight years before that 1D X, we easily had over two stops of improvement.

Here is a noise comparison tool to play around with:

 
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Firmware 1.3 introduced:
"2. Added Low Bitrate recording option, allowing users to shoot smaller file size footage with lower image details. This is very useful for longer recordings that do not require the best possible image quality or when storage space is a concern."
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-canon-eos-r6-and-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-firmware-released/
I haven't tested it yet though. Happy to hear from others who have used the feature....
But the firmware to output some form of 8k to the HDMI port is still missing, unless Canon has been really sneaky and checks for a V+ to be connected to offer the option.
Canon has been know to include features for products years ahead of the launch, just look at new speedlite features that "Just Work" on 'old' cameras.
 
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Sadly the R3 will be much more expensive than the R5 plus the misaligned battery grip. Otherwise it would cannibalize the R5.
 

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Sadly the R3 will be much more expensive than the R5 plus the misaligned battery grip. Otherwise it would cannibalize the R5.
Exactly... there are still some wise people here.. imo it will be exactly the same price as the R5 so people have a choice between speed and megapixels
 
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Does that explain the overheating?
No, the overheating isn't caused by the sensor. It is the processor that generates the "heat" and the insufficient heatsink that causes the "over".
Your are right.
But don't forget the CFexpress card and card slot chip. These two produce the head the camera can't handle for long time. I think the technology is there not ready for such high bitrates.
If you use an external recorder, there are no overheating problems.
The R5 camera outputs video data in HDMI format to the external recorder. I thinkt that reduces the load on the main processor greatly, because it doesn't have to compress that into h.265 format, that is done externally in the recorder. So the problem is the heat off the processor, not off the CFexpress chip or card.

If one looks at the thermal imaging test Roger Cicala did with an R5, it's most definitely the CFe card that is the hottest place in the camera when shooting 8K video and saving it internally.
 
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If Canon were to base all its cameras on Sony (say) sensors, it would be hard to imagine Canon could do as good a job making cameras around those sensors as Sony could. We'd expect the Canon to be a bit more expensive (due to more expensive troubleshooting with a different company's sensor department), and, probably always second to market with a given sensor.

Funny, Nikon seemed to get more out of the same Sony (fabrication division) sensors than Sony (camera division) did for quite a long time.
 
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Agreed! $4300 seems too low to me but if they undercut the price of both the A1 and A9 I would be very impressed.

This would definitely be the price point where I would 100% pick up the R3 over a second R5. Would be roughly the same price as an R5 + the R5's battery grip, which would be a sweet deal.

Canon prices product in different markets differently. We hear complaints about Europe and Australia paying more than the equivalent exchange rate compared to North American prices.

How much was the R5 and the BG-R10 at introduction in Thailand?