*UPDATE* The "Historic" November 3, 2011 Announcement [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

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<p><strong>*UPDATE*

</strong>I was also told that we’ll see at least two compact cine lenses, and possibly a third. No focal lengths were mentioned.</p>
<p><strong>More hints?</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Price: sub $15,000 – possible down to $10,000</li>
<li>Image quality: <a href="http://www.arri.com/camera/digital_cameras">Alexa</a> good</li>
<li>SDI outs</li>
<li>XLRs (audio)</li>
<li>Piviting & detachable monitors and grips</li>
<li>PL mount and EF mount options</li>
<li>Resolution – 4k capture, 2k recording</li>
</ul>
<p>Source: <a href="http://photolifetoys.blogspot.com/2011/10/november-3rd-canon-hollywood-event.html">PhotoLifeToys</a></p>
<p><strong>CR’s Take

</strong>There will be no DSLR announcement on November 3, 2011. This is a video only announcement. However, there could be “EF” and “EOS” branding involved.</p>
<p>I was told Vincent Laforet has been shooting promo material with the new camera in the Los Angeles area. However, he was NOT shooting with a DSLR.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[astrocrab]

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What does "Image quality: Alexa good" means?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

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What does "Image quality: Alexa good" means?

That means the quality is claimed to be comparable to the IQ of a Alexa. The Alexa is a high end video camera made by Arri with a full frame 35mm sensor.

http://visionaryforces.com/arri-alexa-digital-video-camera.html

 

[dash2k8]

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Sorry for the dumb question, but what "4k capture, 2k record" mean?

 

[bvukich]

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Sorry for the dumb question, but what "4k capture, 2k record" mean?

Probably uncompressed 4K over SDI, but can only compress/record 2K on whatever onboard media it contains.

 

[macfly]

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Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.

 

[coltsfreak18]

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Sorry for the dumb question, but what "4k capture, 2k record" mean?

Either what the guy above me said, or it's sensor's resolution is 4k and it outputs its footage (either through HD-SDI or onto CF or SSD) in 2k, possibly upgradeable (in the future) to full 4k RAW output.

 

[gene_can_sing]

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Not sure how accurate this is, but I've heard numerous times that the Scarlet is going to be a 2/3" sensor. After making people wait an eternity for the Scarlet, if that is true, it would be the biggest disappointment in camera history. If it is 2/3", I guarantee they will sell about 2 cameras total.

As for Canon, where is the middle ground? It's great that you guys are finally introducing a $10K+ camera that's "Alexa" good, but since the 1D is still H264 compression (ie. low end), what camera is going to be in the middle for video?

I just hope they introduce something in the same price range as the Panny AF101 or the Sony FS100. Something more people can afford.

Or just get it over with and introduce a good full frame video DSLR. That's what made Canon video famous. People just want an update to that with some tweaks. Evolve the same formula and just listen to what your customers want (4:2:2, 1080p 60fps, a flip screen), and you will sell a lot of cameras

Don't evolve the formula and don't listen to what your customers want, and you will sell a lot less cameras. The only thing that sets Canon video apart from the others is Full Frame. Without that, Canon is just another fish in the pond.

 

[J. McCabe]

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Probably another dumb question - what's the point of an EF mount for a $10,000+ video camera ?

It seems to me that EF lenses are not a big attraction to someone who can spend that much money on video equipment.

 

[FredBGG]

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That means the quality is claimed to be comparable to the IQ of a Alexa. The Alexa is a high end video camera made by Arri with a full frame 35mm sensor.

http://visionaryforces.com/arri-alexa-digital-video-camera.html
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The Arri sensor is not FF in the same way the Canon 5D is.... it is not a 24x36 sensor.
The Alexa sensor has an image out size of 23.76 mm x 13.37 mm (16:9) is 2880 x 1620 Pixels

 

[aaronofnero]

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Probably another dumb question - what's the point of an EF mount for a $10,000+ video camera ?

It seems to me that EF lenses are not a big attraction to someone who can spend that much money on video equipment.

well, 10-15k honestly isn't a high price in the whole cinema world. Arri / Zeiss Master Primes usually cost around 25k per lens just as an example. as it is, the EF/PL interchangeable zeiss CP2 lenses are $3900 a piece. so, having an EF mount affords you the option of having more glass at your disposal. The only downside is follow focus and most high end matte box equipment. They're usually suited for the larger focus ring diameter and the functionality of the PL lens mechanics. Even with the f3, people are using canon and nikon glass with adapters to save money on the PL option. I'm sure canon will offer a PL mount substitute or adapter, as even 3rd party companies have done with the dslrs.

 

[sammy]

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How many super-zooms (e.g 800mm) are there for PL mount?

How many 800mm zoom lenses are available for EF?

 

[WoodyWindy]

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How many super-zooms (e.g 800mm) are there for PL mount?

How many 800mm zoom lenses are available for EF?

One, as far as I know - the Sigma 300-800.

- Woody -

 

[HurtinMinorKey]

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The Arri sensor is not FF in the same way the Canon 5D is.... it is not a 24x36 sensor.
The Alexa sensor has an image out size of 23.76 mm x 13.37 mm (16:9) is 2880 x 1620 Pixels

The Alexa, and Sony F3 are both super-35 equivalent sensors (with the dimensions mentioned above), which are less than full frame.

 

[KitH]

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Maybe they just want to reach out the market who can't quite run to one of these yet?

http://www.canon.com/bctv/products/pdf/100xs.pdf

(OK, I know I cheated, that's a TV lens not a cine lens, but it's still pretty cool).

 

[Loswr]

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How many super-zooms (e.g 800mm) are there for PL mount?

How many 800mm zoom lenses are available for EF?

One, as far as I know - the Sigma 300-800.

- Woody -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_800mm_lens

Can you explain how that qualifies as a "super-zoom" lens, or any kind of zoom lens? Perhaps you should check out this other wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

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Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.

Do you mean the re-announcement of Scarlett by Red? Is was already announced in 2008 for shipment in 2009? Are some still waiting for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RED_Scarlet

 

[HurtinMinorKey]

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Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.

Do you mean the re-announcement of Scarlett by Red? Is was already announced in 2008 for shipment in 2009? Are some still waiting for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RED_Scarlet

Come on, Japan has been a US military outpost since WWII. That makes them part of the empire in my book.

 

[bornshooter]

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5d mk3 will be announced

 

[Loswr]

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Oh, you mean I should have just called it a "super telephoto" lens instead of zoom?

Means the same to me

Just remember that the next time you need to reframe a shot with a prime lens. With an 800mm lens, you might need to walk a few hundred feet to do that, while someone with Woody's 300-800mm zoom would just twist the zoom ring and take the shot.