Which grass is considered greener (do nikonians complain as much as canonians)?

[JohanCruyff]

After 76,643,917,265 topics and 54,781,245,232,107,412 posts (and counting) in this forum about the better performance of SoNikon's sensor at base ISO, I was wondering if even SoNikonians sometimes complain, for example,
- about their Lenses price / range
- because they don't have STM lenses or Dual Pixel Autofocus
- etc.

and, in general, if SoNikonians spend more time taking pictures or complaining about their brands.

Any thoughts?

 

[Sporgon]

Very broadly speaking Canon users seem to be secure and content with their purchase decision, whereas Nikon users are insecure. This is probably because Nikon users are worried that they wake up in the morning to find that their new purchase has just been replaced by an undated model.

 

[moreorless]

As a Nikon shooter the main complaints I see are...

1.Lack of replacement for action bodies besides the D4(no D400 or D700 mk2).

2.Issues with camera quality control.

3.Lack of new ASPC lenses.

 

[PicaPica]

well actually it´s not much canon users complain about.

i mean.. ~85% would stop complaing when canon releases a 30MP FF sensor with the DR and noise characteristics of the latest sony sensors (maybe make the performance bit more constant at high ISO too).

that´s not an impossible task i think. i mean.. sony can do it.

the majority of canon users are very happy with the 5D MK3 autofocus and the cameras build quality. lenses are fine too. i don´t hear many complains about the ergonomics either.

canon is numero uno.

so as canon user it can be expected to have the best sensors, not only the best overall cameras.

 

[Loswr]

A related question: how many non-Nikon shooters go to Nikon forums to complain about Nikon?

From what I've seen, many of the most vocal complainers on CR don't use Canon gear. Some of them used to shoot Canon. So why are they here?

Have they 'found religion' and are here to 'convert' the great unwashed masses?

Do they have inner doubts about their choices, and coming here to complain about Canon helps them continue to justify their decisions?

Do they think they're being altruistic, devoting their time and energy to show us poor, deluded fools how bad we have it, and how good it could be if only we make the same choices they made?

Do they honestly want Canon to deliver products that would meet their own needs, however niche those needs are, and somehow believe that complaining here will help accomplish that?

Or...do they merely want to sow discord?

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

 

[DominoDude]

Just earlier today I overheard a discussion from a few photographers who complained about how hard it was to sell their Sony stuff once it was used. They had to drop their prices substantially to even get people to consider buying. They expressed the uncertainty of how long a mount will survive as a reason why people were hesitant. Buying new cameras was of no fear to them, but trading in the old made them lose much more money. There were also mentions of how it was harder to find and get service and repairs on items that weren't brand new.

 

[Busted Knuckles]

I recall someone fairly bright explaining the "photo envelope" was similar to the flight envelope" of a plane. Different models have different boundaries.

I certainly have posted implications that that I would like to see Canon with a larger "product envelope" i.e. a MF4/3 or highly functional "M" body similar to the function of the latest Oly/Pano offering.

I see most of the noise at the extremes of the envelope. Ultimate pixel count ( I have to admit I haven't enlarged anything (uh that is an old film term) larger than 16x20. Unless one does a multi frame exposure all the lenses (excepting the OTUS) are having difficult w/ "corner to corner" sharpness - so what is the point of uber megapixels?

My closing thought is an homage to my 1st SLR Body. A Canon Tx. Glass has gotten better, film no longer exits, but my favorite pic of all time was from this body and "kit" lens.

 

[Maximilian]

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

agree.

And I think there is no greener grass on either side.
It's just a choice every fotographer has to take, witch system will serve him best.
And if there is still money to spend this is no choice that can't be reconsidered.

The only way to convince companies to overthink their strategies is by voting with your purchase.

 

[Hannes]

Glass has gotten better, film no longer exits.

Speak for yourself, I ran a roll of Kodak through my Pentax MX last week It is excellent DSLR detox

 

[Sporgon]

Glass has gotten better, film no longer exits.

Speak for yourself, I ran a roll of Kodak through my Pentax MX last week It is excellent DSLR detox

The wonderful Pentax MX, one of the finest mechanical manual film cameras IMO; a real jewel.

 

[moreorless]

A related question: how many non-Nikon shooters go to Nikon forums to complain about Nikon?

From what I've seen, many of the most vocal complainers on CR don't use Canon gear. Some of them used to shoot Canon. So why are they here?

Have they 'found religion' and are here to 'convert' the great unwashed masses?

Do they have inner doubts about their choices, and coming here to complain about Canon helps them continue to justify their decisions?

Do they think they're being altruistic, devoting their time and energy to show us poor, deluded fools how bad we have it, and how good it could be if only we make the same choices they made?

Do they honestly want Canon to deliver products that would meet their own needs, however niche those needs are, and somehow believe that complaining here will help accomplish that?

Or...do they merely want to sow discord?

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

I wouldn't call myself a Canon complainer as I tend to find myself on the pro Canon side of most arguments that happen here dispite shooting Nikon but a big issue is that this is one of if not the best forums I'v found on the net for the technical side of things, far superior to say Nikon rumours.

A big issue I'd say is that Canon(and to a slightly lesser degree Nikon) is considered "the mainstream". On one hand that means If you had a legit reason for buying a something made by other companies your likely to explain why you didn't buy one of the more mainstream products. On the other though it means if your a gadget buyer/fanboy looking to define yourself by your purchases or net praise/criticism the mainstream is the obvious target.

That's really where a lot of the negativity around Canon and Nikon comes from with net media coverage as well. Users of Canon and Nikon products are generally after balanced opinion on them, users of other companies products are more often after gushing praise of those products and criticism of Canon and Nikon. Whats more as fanboys/gadget buyers spend a lot of time surfing output that gives them what they want gets good traffic.

When was the last time you saw review video with an attempt at comedy bashing a Sony, Fuji, Oly, etc product? I can't remember seeing one because those who might make them know it wouldn't get attension.

 

[David Hull]

As a Nikon shooter the main complaints I see are...

1.Lack of replacement for action bodies besides the D4(no D400 or D700 mk2).

2.Issues with camera quality control.

3.Lack of new ASPC lenses.

also Lack of an answer to the 600EX-RT flash system

 

[surapon]

A related question: how many non-Nikon shooters go to Nikon forums to complain about Nikon?

From what I've seen, many of the most vocal complainers on CR don't use Canon gear. Some of them used to shoot Canon. So why are they here?

Have they 'found religion' and are here to 'convert' the great unwashed masses?

Do they have inner doubts about their choices, and coming here to complain about Canon helps them continue to justify their decisions?

Do they think they're being altruistic, devoting their time and energy to show us poor, deluded fools how bad we have it, and how good it could be if only we make the same choices they made?

Do they honestly want Canon to deliver products that would meet their own needs, however niche those needs are, and somehow believe that complaining here will help accomplish that?

Or...do they merely want to sow discord?

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

Total agree with you, Sir, Dear Teacher Mr. neuroanatomist
Yes " Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums "
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[nonac]

A related question: how many non-Nikon shooters go to Nikon forums to complain about Nikon?

From what I've seen, many of the most vocal complainers on CR don't use Canon gear. Some of them used to shoot Canon. So why are they here?

Have they 'found religion' and are here to 'convert' the great unwashed masses?

Do they have inner doubts about their choices, and coming here to complain about Canon helps them continue to justify their decisions?

Do they think they're being altruistic, devoting their time and energy to show us poor, deluded fools how bad we have it, and how good it could be if only we make the same choices they made?

Do they honestly want Canon to deliver products that would meet their own needs, however niche those needs are, and somehow believe that complaining here will help accomplish that?

Or...do they merely want to sow discord?

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

I've never figured this out. It happens with almost any product. I'll see an article about a new iphone and most of the posts are from people criticizing it. If I see an article, post, forum, etc. related to a product I don't want, use, or have an interest in, I don't read it, let alone leave negative comments. What's up with these people?

 

[scottkinfw]

My thoughts exactly.

Although your questions are rhetorical, my take is that many are trolls seeking to sew the seeds of discontent. Perhaps to justify their own decision to switch (please drive a stake through the heart of the "Is Canon two generations behind Nikon" thread).

To be fair, some Nikonians have been positive here, thank you.

sek

A related question: how many non-Nikon shooters go to Nikon forums to complain about Nikon?

From what I've seen, many of the most vocal complainers on CR don't use Canon gear. Some of them used to shoot Canon. So why are they here?

Have they 'found religion' and are here to 'convert' the great unwashed masses?

Do they have inner doubts about their choices, and coming here to complain about Canon helps them continue to justify their decisions?

Do they think they're being altruistic, devoting their time and energy to show us poor, deluded fools how bad we have it, and how good it could be if only we make the same choices they made?

Do they honestly want Canon to deliver products that would meet their own needs, however niche those needs are, and somehow believe that complaining here will help accomplish that?

Or...do they merely want to sow discord?

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

 

[Canon1]

I spend a lot of time in the field with Canon and Nikon photographers. We all have pro level cameras and you know the funny thing is... no one complains about their "brand." All the complaining I hear about camera brand is by internet personalities. Just got an idea for a new thread....

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I have a friend who is a D800E user who wanted to trade me for my 5D MK III. I told him that he had fine equipment, he needed to spend more time using it.

I feel at home with virtually any camera after learning to use it. Obviously, I like some more than others, but in the end, its just a tool, and different cameras have their strong and their weak points.

Photo forums sometimes degenerate into fanboys arguing about equipment when they could be helping each other with photography.

 

[mrsfotografie]

A related question: how many non-Nikon shooters go to Nikon forums to complain about Nikon?

From what I've seen, many of the most vocal complainers on CR don't use Canon gear. Some of them used to shoot Canon. So why are they here?

Have they 'found religion' and are here to 'convert' the great unwashed masses?

Do they have inner doubts about their choices, and coming here to complain about Canon helps them continue to justify their decisions?

Do they think they're being altruistic, devoting their time and energy to show us poor, deluded fools how bad we have it, and how good it could be if only we make the same choices they made?

Do they honestly want Canon to deliver products that would meet their own needs, however niche those needs are, and somehow believe that complaining here will help accomplish that?

Or...do they merely want to sow discord?

Frankly, the vast majority of CR forum members are here to request and provide information, share techniques and images, etc. CR is a great community resource, and like nearly all successful Internet forums, it attracts a few incessant complainers. Look on the bright side – they provide some entertainment on slow rumor days...

I've never figured this out. It happens with almost any product. I'll see an article about a new iphone and most of the posts are from people criticizing it. If I see an article, post, forum, etc. related to a product I don't want, use, or have an interest in, I don't read it, let alone leave negative comments. What's up with these people?

Some people just don't understand the gear they're using. Quite often gear is unjustly being criticized for what is essentially user error. For example - "my lens is soft at 300mm" well ok but then that's to expect with a shutterspeed of only 1/20s

 

[dtaylor]

Glass has gotten better, film no longer exits.

Speak for yourself, I ran a roll of Kodak through my Pentax MX last week It is excellent DSLR detox

Yes...but...what was the shadow noise of the film like, and could it compare to Exmor? ;D

 

[Lawliet]

I was wondering if even SoNikonians sometimes complain, for example,
Any thoughts?

ATM mostly about availability at rental houses. First come, first serve vs. changes in demand.