Why don't Canon update their bodies?

[Flake]

Nikon have regularly updated their pro level bodies, the D2 was followed by the D2x and the D3 by the D3s, this has kept the product line fresh and also given them new sales as users trade up.

By contrast the 1D MkIII badly in need of a refresh has had disspointing sales, yet a refresh with a new higher resolution screen, the improved sensor from the 5D MkII might just have added something to a product which is looking very tired. It's not as if the changes would have cost much to implement, they're already in the parts bin, in fact the standardisation of both lines might actually have saved money.

 

[akiskev]

I wonder what portion of people asking for a new 1Ds is actually going to buy a new 1Ds when it comes out.

 

[Ricku]

Because the earthquake and tsunami messed up their factories and production.

That is the only reason I can think of.

The 5D3 should have been out already.

 

[ngeht]

I wonder what portion of people asking for a new 1Ds is actually going to buy a new 1Ds when it comes out.

Regarding 1Ds it would be rather a question when any 1Ds will be available. I haunted for my 1Ds for half of year. And, finally, it appeared "in stock" @ B&H just for two days. it appeared Saturday and disappeared back Tuestday morning. Hopefully, I was fast enough to buy it.

 

[elusive1]

Because Canon has recouped all their R&D, marketing and other huge costs from Digic 4 and they want to keep the profits going for as long as possible, which makes complete sense from a corporate standpoint.

It's not good for you who wants an improved camera, but good for the company who is raking in profits.

Plus, Nikon is set to do a round of major announcements in September, so Canon is probably going to wait a month so they can upstage them, hopefully. With Sony and Nikon announcing / announced a numbered of goodies, I couldn't see Canon waiting too much longer.

 

[kubelik]

Nikon have regularly updated their pro level bodies, the D2 was followed by the D2x and the D3 by the D3s, this has kept the product line fresh and also given them new sales as users trade up.

By contrast the 1D MkIII badly in need of a refresh has had disspointing sales, yet a refresh with a new higher resolution screen, the improved sensor from the 5D MkII might just have added something to a product which is looking very tired. It's not as if the changes would have cost much to implement, they're already in the parts bin, in fact the standardisation of both lines might actually have saved money.

I have a couple of issues with this:

1. if you get in a habit of releasing mid-cycle refreshes ("N"-type bodies), people will come to expect them. that sets a dangerous precedent (from a moneymaking perspective). 3 years is a long time to hold out, so people who need something close to that will bite the bullet and buy. 1.5 years is not such a long time to hold out, so you'll basically have folks that keep pushing off their purchase in the hopes of something better soon to come.

2. I applaud canon for not taking a "parts-bin" solution to any of its top-line bodies. these are cameras that canon invests heavily in to build from the ground up (especially the flagship camera) and that's precisely what we're paying for. I'd feel totally gypped as a consumer if canon were ever to pull what Ford did when they purchased Jaguar, releasing supposedly premium luxury vehicles with plenty of poorly manufactured bargain-bin parts (door handles on the ford jags, anyone?)

at the end of the day, however, Canon does have to produce the goods. if they make us wait this long, AND the specs on the new cameras are subpar to what nikon and sony put out ... well, general furor would be justified. but at the time being, our own impatience has nothing to do with the astuteness of the canon business model. I think they're playing this release cycle very well, and I too am looking for a trump-Nikon type of play to happen in September or October.

 

[TexPhoto]

"Why don't Canon update their bodies?" One word: massive conspiracy. The Japanese want us to believe they are recovering form a massive earthquake/tsunami/nuclear disaster, the likes of which the world has never seen.

But I think they are really just sitting around taking 40-50MP pictures of each other's drinking games with 5DIII, 5D IVs, EOS 1D mark 4-5s, maybe even 7s. They are shooting birthday photos of their kids with 100+ autofocus sensors, and like 20 frames per second. All the while laughing at us.

They are shooting hilarious 4K 120fps videos of their cats for their own version of you tube that make ours look like a joke.

Do I have evidence of this? Yes! Almost as much evidence as others have that the 5D3 was due out last year.

The United States is country of action. We must take action as only our generation can. Perhaps an American company could rally and produce the new products we need? (That was sarcasm, I was just testing you.) No, what we need is a massive wave of Blog posts and forum threads that will torment them into sharing their precious new DSLRs. Don't go outside and shoot with the cameras you have. Thats' just playing into thier hands.

 

[Gothmoth]

flake.. any chance you are the 22 year old guy who comes to my shop every week and asks for a 5D MK3 but has not enough money to buy a 77mm polarizer?

 

[Flake]

flake.. any chance you are the 22 year old guy who comes to my shop every week and asks for a 5D MK3 but has not enough money to buy a 77mm polarizer?

Well I'm no longer 22 (unfortunately!) not a guy! (fortunately!) and I have a Hoya Pro1 77mm polariser & from the spelling I'm guessing that you're in the US?

 

[chrisnemes]

I think Canon have had their plans unexpectedly turned with customers buying DSLRs just to shoot video. I know many who did just that.
I think it's very likely that they are building a whole new strategy addressing just the EF-mount video segment. So I don't think there will be many improvements on the video side in the upcoming 7Ds and 5Ds, but rather shifting these new customers towards a dedicated line of products where they could be a bit more spoiled with video facilities.

In my opinion, it would be financially unwise to invest in a DSLR just to use it at half of what it was meant to be, either video or photo. If you're just a photographer or just a videographer and you were to buy 5D III OR 7D II DSLR with high performance photo capabilities AND high performance video capabilities, you would be practically paying for what you don't need.

 

[YoukY63]

"Why don't Canon update their bodies?" One word: massive conspiracy. The Japanese want us to believe they are recovering form a massive earthquake/tsunami/nuclear disaster, the likes of which the world has never seen.

But I think they are really just sitting around taking 40-50MP pictures of each other's drinking games with 5DIII, 5D IVs, EOS 1D mark 4-5s, maybe even 7s. They are shooting birthday photos of their kids with 100+ autofocus sensors, and like 20 frames per second. All the while laughing at us.

They are shooting hilarious 4K 120fps videos of their cats for their own version of you tube that make ours look like a joke.

Do I have evidence of this? Yes! Almost as much evidence as others have that the 5D3 was due out last year.

The United States is country of action. We must take action as only our generation can. Perhaps an American company could rally and produce the new products we need? (That was sarcasm, I was just testing you.) No, what we need is a massive wave of Blog posts and forum threads that will torment them into sharing their precious new DSLRs. Don't go outside and shoot with the cameras you have. Thats' just playing into thier hands.

Holly crap! How did you learn all about that?!? Do you understand now that I have to kill you and anybody that was passing through this forum...
The truth is that I think Canon is ready to release new bodies anytime. But they wait for Nikon. Because Nikon was more badly hurt by the earthquake and need more time to recover. Japanese companies are not american companies, they do not use such opportunity to hurt competition, as they found easily an agreement in the way to slow down production this summer to avoid an electric black out in East Japan.
Furthermore, if Canon announces today a new body and Nikon presents its new line 6 months later, these one will look like more "modern" and may appear better in costumers' head just because of the later release.

 

[unfocused]

No, what we need is a massive wave of Blog posts and forum threads that will torment them into sharing their precious new DSLRs. Don't go outside and shoot with the cameras you have. That's just playing into their hands.

An interesting idea, but I have a better one. Since Canon is purposely holding back all this incredible new technology just to torment a handful of people posting on forums, the best way to spur action would be for everyone to quit posting. That's right, instead of whining about how Canon HAS TO release a new model or you will Absolutely be SWITCHING TO NIKON, just quit posting.

When they see that you no longer care, it will bring them to their knees and they will be forced to immediately release all the super-secret technology that they have developed but which they absolutely refuse to put into cameras because...well because you are so important that they feel the urge to deny you the camera that will make your life complete.

 

[NotABunny]

Right after the tsunami, there was some news / rumours saying either that the release of new models was delayed by half a year, or by an entire year...

 

[Dave]

The truth is that I think Canon is ready to release new bodies anytime. But they wait for Nikon

I don't think so. Why should they wait for Nikon? Let's guess they have a cool brand new body in the pipeline and lets say Nikon releases an even cooler body next week... What could Canon possibly do? Delay their already developed product? I don't think so! That would be just stupid.

The IFA was THE oportunity to release a new body. Nikon and Canon haven't taken that oportunity (Sony has) and I'm sure the simple (but boring) reason is that they just haven't finished anything yet.

 

[Tarrum]

Haven't got anything finished? Lol, I think large companies know what they're putting out months before announcing them.

 

[Dave]

"Large companies" usually have no problems with earthquakes, giant flood waves and nuclear powerplants blowing up.
And the schedule for new releases is much tighter than most people think.

 

[-zero-]

"Large companies" usually have no problems with earthquakes, giant flood waves and nuclear powerplants blowing up.
And the schedule for new releases is much tighter than most people think.

But when the production facilities of these "Large companies" do not have power because of the blackouts, they simply hire a bunch of poeple to power bicycle powered generators to keep it running 100%

oh and when the facilities get damaged or flooded, ruining thousands of dollars worth of production robots, these company just conjure up a new building and equipment in another country

 

[philHolland]

Those who are angry about a 5D Mark III or 1Ds Mark IV not coming out must have very short memories or haven't looked at the product cycles closely.

People. Keep in mind for many years Canon has been around 2 full years ahead of the pack when it comes to camera and sensor development. This has been due to the fact that they make their own sensors and tech. All of it. Chips to Lens.

This changed somewhat recently. The 1Ds Mark III was released in the 3rd quarter of 2007. Nikon released the D3X in the 4th quarter of 2008. Canon released the 5D Mark II in October 2008 which was their answer to the non full frame Nikon D90. The Sony Alpha 900 was also a 2008 announcement.

It's also worth noting that the 5D and 5D Mark II have created a new product segment among consumers that has been wildly popular. Who else was making full frame bodies around this cost? Who is today making full frame bodies at this price point?

Currently in non flagship bodies everybody has been getting pretty much refined technology. Some new things here and there, some old things made a little better.

We are currently right in the eye of the storm where manufacturers announce their big product lines. Sony has gone first this year. You'll likely notice Nikon having a similar offering and maybe one big surprise offering.

Now all of that said, I am ready for an upgrade if it's a worthy upgrade. None of the new bodies have been "enough" to interest me just yet. This is coming from a 1Ds Mark III x2 (one body sold this year) and 5D Mark II owner. Previously a 1Ds Mark II, 1Ds Mark I, 10D, D60, D30, Nikon N90, and Phase One P25 have existed in my bags, in my hands, or on my tripod.

Canon has been working on new sensor tech for the follow up cameras since 2007/early 2008. Think about that. They haven't had to produce anything too new due to the fact that there hasn't been "too much" real competition at any price or at performance level.

We'll know within September or October what's up with almost everybody. With bodies coming October through December. Then likely another product announcement next year in Spring. Then another in Fall. There's no black magic to this. This product announcement schedule has been like clockwork for a long time.

 

[TexPhoto]

No, what we need is a massive wave of Blog posts and forum threads that will torment them into sharing their precious new DSLRs. Don't go outside and shoot with the cameras you have. That's just playing into their hands.

An interesting idea, but I have a better one. Since Canon is purposely holding back all this incredible new technology just to torment a handful of people posting on forums, the best way to spur action would be for everyone to quit posting. That's right, instead of whining about how Canon HAS TO release a new model or you will Absolutely be SWITCHING TO NIKON, just quit posting.

When they see that you no longer care, it will bring them to their knees and they will be forced to immediately release all the super-secret technology that they have developed but which they absolutely refuse to put into cameras because...well because you are so important that they feel the urge to deny you the camera that will make your life complete.

That is just crazy enough to work! Or, you are Canon spy.... Hmmmm which is the more reasonable theory (Discard that one) Canon Spy!

 

[Flake]

Sorry Phil but the 5D MkII was launched as a competitor to the D700 not the D90. At the time of the 5D it was the only FF consumer camera, but Nikon didn't have a FF body at all even in the pro range. Now the D700 & A850 / A900 are all priced around this level.

The thread has departed somewhat from the original theme though. I still can't see why Canon can't refresh the 1Ds MkIII to at least bring it to the same spec as the 5D MkII, especially in regard to video. Journos cannot use the 1Ds because it's a stills only camera, forcing them into the 5D MkII, as a result Canon lose sales. On a camera which has a longer life than consumer units keeping the product line up to date should be a priority, the 1Ds has been looking very tired for a long time.