Canon Cinema Lens Rumors

Here is the Canon Cinema EOS C500 Mark II

The Canon Cinema EOS C500 Mark II will be announced on or around September 5, 2019, ahead of IBC in Amsterdam.

Below are the specifications that we’ve been told but have been unable to confirm. The image, however, is exactly what the Cinema EOS C500 Mark II will come as.

Canon Cinema EOS C500 Mark II // Click for larger

Canon Cinema EOS C500 Mark II rumored specifications: (New information in bold)

  • Full-frame sensor
  • Records up to 5.9k at 60p RAW full frame
  • Records 4K60p in Super35 crop internally in Cinema RAW light
  • Records 2k120p in Super16 crop in Cinema RAW light
  • Can record in XF-AVC in 4k and 2k oversampled from the 5.9k sensor with 4:2:2 10- bit sampling
  • CFExpress is needed because of the bitrate, the 5.9K RAW is 2.5Gbps, 4k is the same bitrate as the Cinema EOS C200 at 1Gbps
  • User interchangeable lens mount
  • Optional modules with EVF, genlock, timecode, 12G-SDI, etc
  • EF and PL mount available at launch
  • Power supply with BP-A series batteries, an optional module for V-Mount batteries
  • Optional module for 4x XLR inputs
  • Backwards compatibility with EVF-V70, LV-M1 and some other peripherals from previous Cinema EOS cameras
  • New media usage: CFExpress cards for faster readings and writing speed
  • WiFi and IP Streaming capabilities

Jul 23, 2013
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Looks pretty sexy. They should've made it R mount though to take advantage of that new glass + even easier "User Interchangeable Mount" with existing adapters. My guess is $16,999.
 

uri.raz

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They should've made it R mount though to take advantage of that new glass + even easier "User Interchangeable Mount" with existing adapters.
All the more so as the EF mount is dead. Oh, wait...

The absence of R mount does make me wonder. Maybe there's a mechanical design issue.
 

PerKr

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Jul 11, 2018
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All the more so as the EF mount is dead. Oh, wait...

The absence of R mount does make me wonder. Maybe there's a mechanical design issue.
Maybe it's just that they felt they needed to have PL mount without an adapter and EF mount was the easy alternative. Or maybe they made it modular and an RF mount is coming later. Lots of customers with expensive EF and PL lenses, not so many with RF lenses.
 
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Aug 27, 2019
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4k? wake up Canon, BM is doing 6k right now :)
8k is coming for Canon already. C300 Mark III is rumored to have it before Olympics next year.
All the more so as the EF mount is dead. Oh, wait...

The absence of R mount does make me wonder. Maybe there's a mechanical design issue.
It's not a design issue, it's still early in the R mount evolution. There are hundreds of thousands ef lenses out there. It makes sense to keep using the format that works and then introduce the R mount as a option later along side the ef mount.
 

Codebunny

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Fantastic to see this is using CFExpress, hopefully it's a sign of CFExpress hitting the next 1D bodies too.
 

cpreston

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Specs don’t seem right. 4K and 2K RAW doesn’t seem logical. Would Canon add a line skipped or 2x cropped RAW mode?Maybe the source misunderstood a near lossless 14bit 444 recording mode.
 

Stereodude

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8k is coming for Canon already. C300 Mark III is rumored to have it before Olympics next year.
If the rumored specs on the C500 II (no 8K) are correct it seems rather unlikely that a C300 III will get 8K. Canon very rarely undercuts a higher end model with a lower end one.
 

LDS

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All the more so as the EF mount is dead. Oh, wait...

The absence of R mount does make me wonder. Maybe there's a mechanical design issue.
Non enough RF lenses yet, and no Cinema RF lenses yet as well. Not sure if cinematographers would have liked an adapter, and how it could impact rigging needs. Not sure also if RF fully motor-driven focus would play well with the needs of focus pulling - but I never had a chance to use an RF lens yet.
 
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BillB

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If the rumored specs on the C500 II (no 8K) are correct it seems rather unlikely that a C300 III will get 8K. Canon very rarely undercuts a higher end model with a lower end one.
If the rumors are true, Canon might start by putting 8K in the C300 first either for engineering reasons, such as ease in meeting processing requirements or overall ease of implementation, or because it is aiming for a specific market niche or price point.
 
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will4m

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Specs don’t seem right. 4K and 2K RAW doesn’t seem logical. Would Canon add a line skipped or 2x cropped RAW mode?Maybe the source misunderstood a near lossless 14bit 444 recording mode.
If the rumors that it is using the C700FF sensor are true, then the 4K raw mode would make sense as a S35 mode. My guess would be that it can record S35 4K CRM up to 60fps and FF 6K CRM up to 30fps. (With the Codex Raw recorder on the C700FF, you can record 6K raw up to 60fps and 4K raw up to 72 fps.)
 

will4m

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Aug 27, 2019
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Non enough RF lenses yet, and no Cinema RF lenses yet as well. Not sure if cinematographers would have liked an adapter, and how it could impact rigging needs. Not sure also if RF fully motor-driven focus would play well with the needs of focus pulling - but I never had a chance to use an RF lens yet.
Agreed that very few people would use with RF lenses at launch. But with this type of camera, you will want to use it for at least 5 years (by which time RF options will have proliferated). My hope is that: since the lens-mount is user-swappable, that users could swap to an RF mount. However, looking at this picture, I am worried that the body might protrude just a bit too much (so that the 24mm shorter RF mount might have to be recessed in the body, which likely wouldn't happen). As pointed out by @Avenger 2.0, one design constraint might be the depth added by the inclusion of ND filters. However, Sony has managed to fit two full-frame ND filter wheels into the Venice (which can be swapped to an E-mount which is shallower than RF) – therefore, it is physically possible to have a short-flange-distance mount with full-frame filter wheels.
 

cpreston

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This looks to be a fairly well thought out evolution of the cinema line that will be backwards compatible with a lot of the accumulated peripherals from the newer cinema cameras. I am not sure why timecode would be optional, but maybe Canon has decided to keep the bodies as cheap as possible and then charge for extras that can be moved from body to body. My one wish is that the base model had an rf mount, but maybe they will find a work around.