Here is the Canon VIXIA HF G60

dolina · Apr 2, 2019

Would have been nice to have this during the 80s.

LDS · Apr 2, 2019

Sure, many in the 80s would have really liked something like this. And today too. There's a market for such kind of cameras - it may not be mine or yours, but some people need or like such kind of products, or Canon would have stopped making them already.

neuroanatomist · Apr 2, 2019

dolina said:
Would have been nice to have this during the 80s.

You should really offer to sit on Canon’s board. With you to advise them, I’m sure they’d be doing much better than #1 in several markets.

nickorando · Apr 2, 2019

dolina said:
Would have been nice to have this during the 80s.

Why? What 80s technology could have dealt with the output?

hendrik-sg · Apr 2, 2019

If IQ not matters, and a 28mm lens is needed, a phone will do the job. It's funny, 10 years ago, everybody upgraded from PS's to DSLR, today back to the phone which is roghly a PS without optical zoom. As long as people not understand the difference between, sharpness, sharpening, resolution everybody will be happy, except the manufacturers of non-phone devices.

For sure, this camera's will be way better than any phone, at least if one knows how to handle them and how to create a "film" from the "output"

blackcoffee17 · Apr 2, 2019

hendrik-sg said:
If IQ not matters, and a 28mm lens is needed, a phone will do the job. It's funny, 10 years ago, everybody upgraded from PS's to DSLR, today back to the phone which is roghly a PS without optical zoom. As long as people not understand the difference between, sharpness, sharpening, resolution everybody will be happy, except the manufacturers of non-phone devices.

For sure, this camera's will be way better than any phone, at least if one knows how to handle them and how to create a "film" from the "output"

Not exactly true. Ten years ago most of the compact cameras were bad, especially the cheaper ones. I recently found some old pictures a friend sent me from his Canon A530 and they looked really bad, much worse than a phone can do these days. And that camera was not exactly a cheap one.
So i think today's best camera phones are miles better than 90 percent of compact camera from 10 years ago.

LDS · Apr 2, 2019

hendrik-sg said:
If IQ not matters, and a 28mm lens is needed, a phone will do the job

It's not just IQ, it could be versatility (i.e. mic, lights, filters, etc.), zoom/focus control, longer video needs, learning to take videos with dedicated equipment, etc.

At least this cameras don't take video in portrait format unless you are determined to...

LDS · Apr 2, 2019

blackcoffee17 said:
So i think today's best camera phones are miles better than 90 percent of compact camera from 10 years ago

Yes, just like any phone of today is miles better than any phone of ten years ago - technology improved a little in that time - and a today's compact camera offers far improved capabilities as well - not that of a cheap 5mpx camera from 2006.

Go Wild · Apr 2, 2019

I am a little bit confused here....I didn´t see too much information about Canon Vixia G50 so far and this model i think it was anounnced in January and released in CES. So...I guess i am confused, Why Canon is going to launch a new camera in that line? Does it has several changes? Well if it does, it will kill the G50! Is it the same camera but with minor changes?

This Vixia camcorders they fall in the market of the amateur enthusiastic that love to have good footage of the vacations or for some family memories. I do think that this kind of cameras are being replaced by smartphones, but if Canon keeps launching this cameras, well....it´s because they have a good market for them!

blackcoffee17 · Apr 2, 2019

LDS said:
Yes, just like any phone of today is miles better than any phone of ten years ago - technology improved a little in that time - and a today's compact camera offers far improved capabilities as well - not that of a cheap 5mpx camera from 2006.

My point was that while 10 years ago phones had unacceptable image quality for many, today they are good enough for most people, even photo enthusiasts, so they prefer convenience and won't purchase another compact for marginally better image quality.

mensaf · Apr 2, 2019

Canon: What do the people want?

The People: The G7X Mark III!

Canon: Camcorders?

The People: What? No, we want the G7X Ma-

Canon: Camcorders it is!

Jokes aside, the specs aren't bad (esp with the power zoom), but the price point for this (based on older models) is kind of weird. Kind of an idiot-proof prosumer item or something for someone who wants to pump out video without getting lost in specs, glass, etc.

I could see it being used in some wedding scenarios, sports, talking head/event youtube channels, and any/all meetings/depositions that need to be recorded.

Dual card slots, IBIS, huge battery, flexible lens, mic input, hdmi out, and of course, 4K. It has built in ND filters too, and while you're giving up depth of field with something like this, it's not all that important if your content isn't something that's supposed to be ultra-cinematic (though 2.8-4.5 is pretty damn good, especially with that kind of reach) and have a bunch of tasty b-roll floating around.

I don't see anything about the framerate options, but if they have 24fps, I'd legitimately consider it pending reviews to make sure it doesn't fall apart in spectacular fashion or overheat or anything.

Edit: looks like they just dropped a video on it.

LDS · Apr 2, 2019

blackcoffee17 said:
even photo enthusiasts, so they prefer convenience and won't purchase another compact for marginally better image quality.

Pure "image quality" means little - the issue is usually to achieve a given image quality operating in given conditions. IMHO photo "enthusiast" soon feel constrained by the lack of control on images taken with phones, especially since phone makers look more and more oriented to copy Kodak's "you press the button, we do the rest" approach - which after all is what snapshot takers want. Really, no surprise the lower end cameras and camcorders can be fully replaced by phones.

Still, as soon as the situation gets a little more demanding, dedicated devices still work better because they are quicker and easier to operate - and because of phones form factor constraint, will do for a long time.

These video cameras do offer what their target markets need - and phones can't address.

bhf3737 · Apr 2, 2019

Go Wild said:
I am a little bit confused here....I didn´t see too much information about Canon Vixia G50 so far and this model i think it was anounnced in January and released in CES. So...I guess i am confused, Why Canon is going to launch a new camera in that line? Does it has several changes? Well if it does, it will kill the G50! Is it the same camera but with minor changes?

The G50 is in the same series of XA 40-45 (smaller 1/2.3" sensor, 20x zoom, less bit rate)
The G60 is in the same series of XA 50-55 (larger 1" sensor, 15x zoom, higher bit rate)
Therefore, there are 3 camcorders in each category, one without XLR, one with XLR and one with both 3G-SDI and XLR.

Go Wild · Apr 2, 2019

bhf3737 said:
The G50 is in the same series of XA 40-45 (smaller 1/2.3" sensor, 20x zoom, less bit rate)
The G60 is in the same series of XA 50-55 (larger 1" sensor, 15x zoom, higher bit rate)
Therefore, there are 3 camcorders in each category, one without XLR, one with XLR and one with both 3G-SDI and XLR.

Thank you for the info bhf3737, it makes sense now this release.

(At least according to the series....

)

redrob · May 6, 2019

Wish the G60 series came out the same time as the G50. I need to add another cam to my gear set and would have appreciated the 1" sensor (despite the shorter zoom throw).

Does anyone know if ANY of these cameras have brought back the WiFi controlling features?

Ozarker · May 6, 2019

neuroanatomist said:
You should really offer to sit on Canon’s board. With you to advise them, I’m sure they’d be doing much better than #1 in several markets.

Problem is, without a flux capacitor his genius will never grace Canon's 1980s boardroom. So we shall never know.

Alas, Canon is still ******* at #1 on Earth. Nikon still owns the moon.

Just think of what could have been, but for a flux capacitor. Sony... meh.

Edit: Okay, Hasselblad owns the moon.

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