It’s Nikon Night!

Oh nooo, has i shack my head at Canon…

I see this as a nice opportunity for Canon to catch up in this level of camera. Nice thing is, Canon will be able to make their announcements after Nikon, which has seemed to always be the other way around in the last few years.

Yeah IF canon made a new 1.3 crop model i think you would see a good amount of shifting in the market.

stop right now before it started again. There’s no point of a shooting match of who is better who is not.

That being said, D700 is not “inferior” to 5D Mark II in the area of photography.

Looks like you just started a tradition tonight :)

So what’s the next bet gonna be?

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have u seen the sample images at nikon? low light of the 2 new camera sucks big time.. you can see grain even at ISO 200, worst on ISO 400 taken by Nikon D300s (the lady with lamp) check it.

Hmmm…. It looks like that Nikon roadmap that was leaked a few weeks ago was not particularly accurate. :)

canon just need to catch up with auto focus system, the lowlight capability of canon was superior with nikon.

Full disclosure, I’m a Nikon shooter.

Can’t we just acknowledge that the competition between Nikon and Canon ultimately benefits all of us? Both systems are great and frankly you can’t go wrong with either one.

I love my Nikons and I can’t imagine ever buying a Canon. It doesn’t mean the Canon isn’t good…It just isn’t for me.

BTW, comparing the D300s to the 5DMkII is a terrible comparison. It should really be compared against the D700. Video doesn’t really interest me right now, so I don’t really care about it.

Let’s also not forget about the best DSLR in production right now…. the D3. Canon users get a hard-on just thinking about the D3 (admit it… it’s okay). But here’s the great part: Canon will put out something even better sooner or later, which means Nikon will have to respond with something even better than that. In the end the consumer wins.

Why? The D5000 & D90 are only 720p.

Also, did you note max record time is only 5 minutes!

I’m not sure a 50D/D300 comparison is completely valid. I think a better comparison might be against the D90. I’ve never used a 50D, so I can’t say for sure, but it still seems like a pretty kick-ass camera (so is the D90 for that matter).

Nothing to switch systems over! Nikon 18-200 improved greatly for DX format users. Canon better do something very good in the EF-S line to meet this. Something with Ring USM and non-reotating front, none of this DC motor crap that Canon have fitted to a lot of EF-S lens’ recently. Either an 18-200mm II with Ring USM motor or and 18-105mm again with Ring USM motor. Both would be good but one of them would be acceptable. Or I might switch systems. We deserve good EF-S glass Nikon can make good DX glass.

are you talking about the nikonusa pics?
I don’t see “(the lady with lamp)”
do you have a link to the pics?

Nikon D300s has over 40/50D:
better 51-point AF
2 card slots
better weather sealing
~100% frame coverage ~0.94x magnification viewfinder

Canon…. time to step up to the plate and put it out of the park!

It seems that nothing will happen this summer.
I have read in Chasseur d’Images that Canon 2000D is expected for the end of the year. I dont know if there are right.

Now make the decision even harder to choose between the Nikon D300s and Canon 500D. now tell me, do I buy the 500D or wait for the availability of D300s?

Dual slots SD & CF on the D300s!
Canon, listen: I do want this for the 60D!!!

(yes, and 7 fps, too)

No way, if the D300s improves a bit the sensor of the d90, it mops the floor with Canon. The D90 is already is half a stop better than the 50D in high ISO, lookie here:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/(appareil1)/267|0/(appareil2)/294|0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Canon/(brand2)/Nikon

D300s and 500D aren’t in the same league. D300s is a way better camera unless you think 500D’s 1080p video at 20fps is superior.
I would go with the Nikon D300s or wait for the canon 60D.

Nikon’s 10-24 is not optically better than the Canon 10-22. They do not offer anything equivalent to the 17-55 f/2.8 IS. I can’t care less about the cheap DX lenses

The logo change is very funny!

Canon management: “hey lets slap 1080 video on the 50d and we got ourselves a winner!”
not..

I am a documentary photographer who switched from Nikon to Canon.
I have worked six months with d700 and Nikon prime and zoom lenses and published many photos in newspapers.
The camera got the grip completely unsticked and there was not any choice in lenses. Few and old lenses.
Everybody says that Nikon has a better building than Canon.
It’s one of the most stupid thing I always listen to : is not possible to have a pro camera with a completely unsticked grip after only few months of work.
The d300s is another disappointment: the same old sensor with an amateur video mode. I am very happy to have sold the d700 + all lenses to get 5d mk II with a bigger choice of sharper lenses.

EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 Yet another highly expensive lens that most amatuers cannot afford. My point was to make some good quality yet inexpensive EF-s lens’s. Nikon in DX format make 18-200mm, 18-135, 18-105, 35mm prime as well as others. Maybe not the best quality but not the worst either given there price, they are ideal for entry level amatuers how want good if not excellent image quality at an affordable price, It is about time Canon catered to those of us that don’t have an endless supply of money. Since when did photography become purely a rich persons hobby.

That print button better be direct!

indeed. The D700 blows the 5D2 out in still performance anyday. but the 5D2 is the sweetheart of video for now, at least until the D700x leapfrogs it this fall.

if they did they would have to rely on making good products instead of locking you into their system with a lens investment :) welcome to planet greed.

+1

I figured Nikon would include that to keep up with the Jonses. Hopfully now Canon can return fire.

Nikkor AF-S 17-35mm f/2.8 D IF-ED

Nikkor AF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 G IF-ED DX

I think they will be as god as EF-S 17-55 f/2.8

Hi,

I am not at this level of price, i have a 50D. But Nikon new camera are not much better than what Canon offers recently. 300Ds is a joke, just video feature in a good but 2 years old camera.

some people complained about the 40D->50D upgrade but it is much more worth than D300 -> D300s.

We will see if Canon can catch up (if they intend to).

Well I was perhaps wrong in that regard but Nikon still has more DX lens’s than Canon has EF-S and that sure must tempt in beginners.

Amazing, in less than 2 years Nikon has succeeded into doing a Canon on their fanbois. This D300s is like the 20D-to-30D transition, LOLOLOL. This is as boring as heck. And that D3000 is a rebadged D60 which was a rebadged D40X… Way to go Nikon!!11 You’re well on your way to becoming what Canon was a few years ago.

Now its time for Canon to step up to the plate and walk all over these two warmed-over Nikon releases.

“blows the 5D2 out…”

ok, take a still photo from the D700, set the image size to 5616 x 3744 pixels and put it next to the same size photo from the 5D2 and watch the D700 suck canal water…lol get real

Oh, by the way, sorry to the fanbois, but there’s only a snowball’s chance in hell that the 60D would even be a match to the D300/D300s. Stop expecting Canon’s $1300 camera to match the competitor’s $1800 one, it will never happen. Unless, of course, you are willing to tolerate the xxD price to rise to the level of the Nikon Dxxx.

Not a surprise in this poor economic climate.

Take a photo at ISO 1600 or higher from the 5D2 and set the size the same as a same photo from the D700 and watch the D700 spit water in the 5D2’s face, er lens… or something.

Ohh thank you!

I wasn’t sure if it was linked with the announcement

I do hope they continue to do this fun bet on rumors hehe

Wrong again.

The Nikon 17-35 f/2.8 lens has limited range and is optically POOR by today’s standards.

The Nikon 17-55 f/2.8 lens is overpriced, weighs a ton, optically not as good as Canon/Tamron and lacks image stabilization.

This is a good release, the D300s is certainly something Canon wants to respond to by updating their 50D.

But I believe canon still have the lead with the 5d2. They offer a high mega pixel body with very good video capabilities for less than it costs to go FX with Nikon.

I’m currently shooting Nikon and my aim is to upgrade with a possible D700x or D700s that would support video (I would prefer D700s as I do not need 24mp) I like many things about Nikon (14-24 Æ’/2.8, 51 auto focus points, very reliable auto focus, etc) So much that I see the “upgrade from my D300 to 5D2 as both an upgrade and a downgrade. I really want to stick with Nikon but I need full frame and video. If the D700s or D700x don’t offer what I need or are sold for too much, I will have no other choice than getting myself a 5D2 and probably the 16-35mm Æ’/2.8

Considering the possible cost of a D700x, I’ll probably end up with the 5d2.

That right. Nikon lenSES are often more expensive even when they’re not as good.

The 18-200 lens looks to be the same lens except for coatings and maybe a improved VR. It weighs lightly more, but the dimensions, number of elements, and MTF curves are the same. Until some reviews are done, we won’t know about any subtle improvements in image quality or autofocus speed.

yes and no. It’s just an update so that the D300 isn’t left behind when ppl are looking for video capable DSLRs, its not intended to get D300 owners to update.

I agree except for one thing D700 and 5D2 are not comparable. 5D2 and D700x yes, but we should save all comparisons in that area until the D700x release, right around the same time the D3x became available last year, but this year.

I suspect that it will outperform, but not by much, the current Canon is pretty good. It will be most noticeable improvement for FX shooters. I bet that Canon will respond with improved 70-200/2.8, bringing it up to par with the optics of the 70-200 f/4 and this current Nikon. the question is when?

That was my first thought too.

not really…blow up the Nikon’s 4,288 x 2,848 image to the 5D2’s 5,616 x 3,744 both shot at 1600 and the Nikon image is way worse.

The CR guy was *had* in this “bet”. Nikon gives detailed advance info to the DPReview.com guys, who tip off the NR admin (he even knew exactly when DPReview.com would post their reviews.

This seems to be payback by the DPReview guys, who are bitter that Canon doesn’t give them the same detailed advance info for Canon product releases:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022208canoneos1dmarkiii.asp
“Phil: As has become Canon’s approach we had no information on this camera before embargo, this lack of trust they show with their most important (and reliable) publications only continues to damage their image within the industry.”

I’m LOL’ing that DPReview hold themselves in such high regard!

The D700 & 5D2 are very close in low light. Gizmodo’s comparison test said “Advantage: Draw The D700 does slightly better at high ISO, but the 5D Mark II has a significant upper hand in resolution.”

Comparing a 12 MP image to a 21 MP is not really fair. To be fair you’d have to blow the 12 MP up to match the resolution, so in my mind they are different animals.

bit of a price difference between 500D and D300s too…

I’d pay $300 more for the 60D if it had 51 point AF, 7 fps, better weather sealing and 1080 30p

For sports photographers (or if that’s mainly what you’re shooting), you’re correct that the 51 point AF system is pointless. However, many of us that are casual photographers tend to shoot portraits/scenic shots more so or even just as much as moving shots, so they are a HUGE benefit imo. It makes it much easier to frame a shot, with all the AF points, compared to just 9 dots. I welcome a similar AF system coming to canon. I realize it’s not “fast” switching the a/f points this way, but for some of us speed is not a concern (myself).

I shoot with a 5dmkII and the wife is a nikon D700 troll. When all is said and done and at the end of the day when prints are in.. I can’t tell which were taken with what camera.

Gasp! You mean, you just go out and shoot photos with your cameras and you’re both happy with what tools you use?! Heresy!

Sometimes I think everyone gets a little too wrapped up in what a 12MP shot would look like at another resolution instead of just liking the gear they have.

Awesome idea. That way she can’t borrow your gear ;)

hehe, their test was actually pretty good, but even the better testing places only give the D700 a minor edge in low light, and again, none of the tests factor in resolution because if you try to match the 5D2’s low light at it’s resolution the Nikon can’t come close…apples for apples or stop comparing them ;)

Perhaps Dave, I haven’t played with those cameras.. I was more talking about the “prosumer” end..

You’re also right, the d300 is ~$400 more than a 50d, so they’re not *really* comparable.. but.. seeing as how they’re the most closely priced, it’s impossible to not compare them. On that note, comparing the d300 and the 50d, I happen to think the d300 *crushes* the 50d, and DESPITE the d300 being $400 more, I find it to be well worth the extra cost. So, in that sense, they are comparable. If I was looking to purchase a dslr for <$2k, the d300 is hands down the one to purchase now.

I look forward to canon coming out w/ something to compete with the d300, because right now, I happen to feel the "gap" between the 50d and the next full frame camera is simply too large (dollar wise). Also, for those that are looking for a "prosumer" type camera, and stepping up from the xsi/40d, the 50d is simply not worth it.

The Nikon 17-55 is better than the Canon equivalent. IS is highly overrated and unnecessary for any good photographer.

dxomark? it’s so easy to tell that this camera is 2 stops better than that one. look at the sample images here and tell me now if how much better the D300s against Canon G10 (only a P&S). http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/d300s/sample.htm
too much grain….

I agree the D300 is a great camera, and if all there was to choose from was the D300 and 50D I’d probably go with the Nikon. I have a 50D because I like a crop body in addition to FF ones. Whether I upgrade it to a 60D I’ll have to see what Canon does. I don’t think it’ll go head to head with the D300 though but we’ll see. It’s priced for upgrade from the Rebel line and 2K would be too much a jump from $900.

multiple focus points is for woosies – real men use more direct print buttons!

That is SOOO stupid! How come u will compare 120% crop to 100%… Are you seriously a photographer?

The lady with the lamp picture is extremely underexposed. Any camera would give noise (even 5D mkII ;)).