More Mentions of a Canon Mirrorless Announcement Ahead of Photokina [CR1]

art sanchez · Aug 9, 2018

Would you have some more info about the new video camera body? Is it a Cinema Eos camera?

ffxx · Aug 9, 2018

art sanchez said:
Would you have some more info about the new video camera body? Is it a Cinema Eos camera?

If this is true and the cinema eos camera come as something like an upgrade from c100 mkII (xc20 with interchangeable lens perhaps? Or a C150? C100 mkIII?) I would buy in a blink of a eye. Only 3 things are crucial for me: 4:2:2 10 bit or better with a great codec (prores/dnx would be the dream), ND filters, and DPAF.

takesome1 · Aug 9, 2018

Oh no.

All the mirrorless hype will be monopolized by Nikon.
Canon is *******.
Nikon will run away with the market and Canon will never catch up.

I am going to short shares of CAJ and make a fortune

art sanchez · Aug 9, 2018

Exactly, I also think that a C100 III replacement must come! I

ffxx said:
If this is true and the cinema eos camera come as something like an upgrade from c100 mkII (xc20 with interchangeable lens perhaps? Or a C150? C100 mkIII?) I would buy in a blink of a eye. Only 3 things are crucial for me: 4:2:2 10 bit or better with a great codec (prores/dnx would be the dream), ND filters, and DPAF.

Braintoggle33 · Aug 9, 2018

Just give me a 7D III so I can go out into the wilderness and you won't from me for two years

ffxx · Aug 9, 2018

art sanchez said:
Exactly, I also think that a C100 III replacement must come! I

Everyone from independent moviemakers to small production companies would sell GH5/s to buy something similar/better from Canon, even if it's more expensive, I know that for sure.

Architect1776 · Aug 9, 2018

I hope Canon does wait like they did with the EOS system, let others take a lead as Sony has then blow all away as the EOS system did putting everyone behind by 30 years and are just now catching up (Don't get your panties in a wad about sensors, the real world differences are imperceptible). I don't mind if they are a bit late but come out with something incredible like they did with the EOS system. Of course they can disappoint like they have lately.

Swp · Aug 9, 2018

Nothing about the/a new 135mm?

Braintoggle33 · Aug 9, 2018

Architect1776 said:
I hope Canon does wait like they did with the EOS system, let others take a lead as Sony has then blow all away as the EOS system did putting everyone behind by 30 years and are just now catching up (Don't get your panties in a wad about sensors, the real world differences are imperceptible). I don't mind if they are a bit late but come out with something incredible like they did with the EOS system. Of course they can disappoint like they have lately.

I agree, Canon is a sleeping giant and when they move they move. I don't mind the wait at all. My existing canon bodies do everything I ask with ease. It takes time to do things right and I think Canon is getting ready to deliver the next wave

rrcphoto · Aug 9, 2018

It will be curious to see what Canon does here.

There's alot of Nikon noise, maybe the decided that they didn't want to compete head on with the NIkon announcement plans and pushed things back 4 months.

The new Photokina is in May I think? Possibly too late but it's not as if there's not CP+,etc to launch something in the Jan - Feb timeframe like they always seem to do.

No M5 Mark II is sad

hmatthes · Aug 9, 2018

While waiting for Canon's FF Mirrorless, the Fuji GFX gets better looking by the day...

ahsanford · Aug 9, 2018

Canon is sitting at a global 49% ILC share right now. Let Nikon unleash its new platform (and possibly Sony to drop a counter announcement as well, perhaps an A7S III?) and we'll see what happens.

Canon will suck the air out of the internet when they drop their FF mirrorless offering(s) -- perhaps they want to wait until after Photokina to get everyone's attention rather than lose eyeballs to Nikon and Sony's announcement shenanigans.

That said, I would have thought the EF-M prime would come alongside an M5 II / M6 II. Curious what they'll ask (price-wise) for such a lens: $399? $499?

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Canoneer · Aug 9, 2018

For me, there's really only one thing that will sell me on a mirrorless camera (from Canon or anyone else) - the EVF. I prefer DSLRs because I have a crystal clear, lag-free view of my composition. I'll wait until I start seeing mirrorless cameras with Sony's new 5 million-dot 240FPS EVF (ECX339A OLED) and a decent magnifier. Hopefully Canon uses something similar.

docsmith · Aug 9, 2018

ahsanford said:
Canon will suck the air out of the internet when they drop their FF mirrorless offering(s) -- perhaps they want to wait until after Photokina to get everyone's attention rather than lose eyeballs to Nikon and Sony's announcement shenanigans.

Ha.....I hope you are right.

But, if history is any indicator, Canon will release a FF mirrorless that will be a massive internet disappointment, a spec sheet failure, and something that will be roasted like a luau pig in many a youtube video.

oh...and it will be used to take many wonderful pictures and outsell the Nikon/Sony offerings combined.

docsmith · Aug 9, 2018

BTW....NO BODY is interested in the 400 f/2.8 III???

It is possible that we are going to see the fresh coat of paint treatment. New coatings, which will likely help some.

But, I am hopeful this is more. I can see it being a bit sharper with TCs, but mostly, a decrease in the weight. It will be interesting to see as it likely will tell us the future of the Big Whites.

sdz · Aug 9, 2018

art sanchez said:
Exactly, I also think that a C100 III replacement must come! I

I recall reading that Canon will not provide an upgrade for the C100 II. This was just a rumor.

The obvious upgrade for the C100 II is 4K. But Canon may want to keep the C100 at 2K to preserve the difference between it and the C200.

Etienne · Aug 9, 2018

ffxx said:
If this is true and the cinema eos camera come as something like an upgrade from c100 mkII (xc20 with interchangeable lens perhaps? Or a C150? C100 mkIII?) I would buy in a blink of a eye. Only 3 things are crucial for me: 4:2:2 10 bit or better with a great codec (prores/dnx would be the dream), ND filters, and DPAF.

I'd be happy with a decent 4K option and a touchscreen for DPAF subject tracking added to the C100 mk III.
Bonus for : IBIS, 4:2:2 color, high frame rates, variable ND filter (would be a first for Canon)

syder · Aug 9, 2018

ffxx said:
If this is true and the cinema eos camera come as something like an upgrade from c100 mkII (xc20 with interchangeable lens perhaps? Or a C150? C100 mkIII?) I would buy in a blink of a eye. Only 3 things are crucial for me: 4:2:2 10 bit or better with a great codec (prores/dnx would be the dream), ND filters, and DPAF.

Frankly, there is little chance of this. What you want is a C300 mkii. It does exactly what you say want, you just don't want to pay for one.

If there is a C100mkiii it would most likely be a C200 without RAW/CFAST. A 4K cinema camera with ND filters (hopefully up to the 10 stops found on the C200), xlrs, face detect DPAF with touchscreen, 1080p120, CLOG 1-3, EF mount and which uses the 8 bit internal codecs found on the C200 possibly with 10 bit out over hdmi (probably not sdi).

With the C200 priced at US$7500 this would likely sell for about $5500 and would be a great entry level 4k cinema camera. If you really need 10 bit for all the tv spots you shoot buy a C300, you can afford it. If you only occasionally need that buy a C200 and shoot RAW on the few occasions you need it. The internal 8 bit codecs on the C200 are more than fine for about 98% of web-based stuff.

amorse · Aug 9, 2018

Nikon sure is trying to hold attention for as long as possible without saying much aren't they? I can understand why Canon wouldn't want to release much while the competition is effectively spamming their teasers.

If Nikon's objective is to ensure people know that they have something coming and to keep potential buyers from buying something else now, Canon doesn't really need to do the same. Maybe the rumours will flow a bit more freely once Nikon makes a full and proper announcement.

I don't really expect to be in the market for a full frame mirrorless camera, but I still find myself caught up in the rumour mill: it's a testament to how much hype is getting applied to the topic (or how easily swayed I am). At this point I'm not sure it's possible to release a camera that won't disappoint a vocal few.

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