Just a quick post
I received an email about a new consumer DSLR being tested.
A couple of features that were mentioned.
Features
– Movie focused
– Swivel LCD
– Between the T2i & 7D
– A smaller form factor than the 50D, but not by much.
– The announcement is coming in July
From the same source
A new flash and 1Ds Mark IV will be announced near the end of August/Early September.
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Ugh. I was hoping the 5D replacement would come first.
Are you kidding?
It’s for me who will show up
nikon or canon booth sit on their butts
and tease the pro’s. Nikon has this canon
has that, 5D mark3 is needed , nikon 1080I
24p is in the works , their not going too just lay down. ! So for me who ever puts out the Most
wins
2nd!
That’s my camera! … sounds like the replacement for my 350D I have been waiting for!
7D a bit too expensive and 50D feeling a little outdated even compared to 550D!
The EOS 1Ds Mark IV and a lower level/cheaper (than 5D Mark II) HDSLR will be released for sure, and soon, as CR guy mentioed above.
A video optimized DSLR could be interesting
Please dont be 18mp…PLEASE!
If its 18mp, atleast have better high iso than 550d/7d
Yep,,, sounds like the 60D,,,,,
Not sure if it’s a good idea to release a camera that is movie focused. Canon is losing MAJOR market shares in Japan (see BCNRanking) and that may also signal a loss in market shares worldwide. Nikon with their trusty old D90/D5000/D3000 is beating Canon to a pulp.
Canon should continue to focus on still photos.
But the idea of releasing a camera with weight and size between that of the 50D and 550D is a GREAT idea. The D90 is an example of such a camera that is selling very well.
I just hope the price is also between t2i and 7d, I want to spend my 1200 dollars on a 60D. July will be decisive.
I’ve only just bought my 7D (primarily for video) so of course they’ll now bring out more video-centric model… I knew it! Haha.
if this is true!!! OMG!!! ive been waiting for my 40D replacement for years, was expecting the 60D to be an improved 40D with better ISO performance… and now… got a camera optimized for video! what a disappointment for me! and dont tell me to get a 5d or 7d since i just dont need the extra features. i just want a descent camera with a descent viewfinder (not like the rebel/t2) and better ISO performance. is this too much to ask?
perhaps canon is so busy focusing on new useless innovations, which i think is their strategy to gain market share. but maybe they should try improving the basic functions of the camera and they might be surprised that what they are looking for is right in front of them the entire time
then buy a nikon with 12MP… ;)
If they give you a “descent” camera with a “descent” viewfinder then I’d say that Canon are going downhill…. ;)
Hey canonguy! You’ve said everything I wanted to say! I’m with you 2!
A 5D2 replacement will only come after the 1Ds3 replace.
Your right, if you need quality high ISO photography, then Nikon is the only way to go.
D700, 12mp FF, pro AF, proper weather seals, small body, great high ISO.
Just think what the D700 replacement will bring. Dual card slots, more MP’s, still pro AF, still proper weather seals, small body.
swivel screen on a xxd body sounds so crappy.
I am going to come out and say that I welcome HDSLR’s. the main reason I went with my Canon is because it offers video. The opportunities that video recording on SLRs is quite incredible. Look at how House used the 5D2 for their entire season finale. I use my camera 3/4 of the time for stills but that other 25% of the time the video quality is great. There is a very large community of users who use their SLR’s primarily for video. So, while it is definately welcome that Canon makes advancements in still photography they would be missing out on a fairly large emerging market if they did not put some focus into video on their SLRs.
Ok… Take all this video crap out of dslr and make cameras cheaper. Seriously if you’re video guy buy video camera. Sure they more expensive but we are going that direction as well wit all this hd dslr stuff.
Same here. And I just placed the order yesterday. lol This sounds like the camera that would be perfect for me. Figures.
Still 12mp…
50D is definitely outdated.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to shooting a season of House with my 5d Mark II.
I wonder what they will call it…
9D
Thank you. It’s called an “SLR” for a reason. When you make a camera designed to just keep the mirror flipped up all the time and record video it’s called a “video camera.” In other words, the 60D, if this is accurate, is really just a video camera that can take stills. Wow. Amazing. Thank you, Canon.
Movie focused ? yuk. swivel screen ? yuk.
At this rate, the only thing I’m tempted to believe is that an SLR is coming in July.
For the rest I’ll wait for the next rumour.
There’s an awful lot of backwards talk here. History is of full of them too.
We don’t need no printing press, who needs that many books.
Who needs airplanes, the trains work just fine.
Those dag-nabbit motorized buggies, give me back my horse.
who needs ABS brakes, I want my car to cost $25 less.
The world doesn’t need PC’s, the world-wide market is one.
Yuk, don’t give me movies in my DSLR, I’m too stupid to see the value of that.
… I’m sure glad these people don’t have any influence.
I so cant wait for this cam to come out…been waiting for it since ages. btw is this announcement really goin to be made? as i keep hearing about the announcement in FEB and JUNE..but so far? nothin? but i know usually canon release xxD on the mth of Aug…hopefully this is not just a rumor….
Swivel LCD!! Fantastic!!!
Part of the reason I like the xxd series BECAUSE of the larger size compared to the Rebels, in my case smaller is not better. With an articulating lcd, I’d imagine you can say goodbye to any weather resistance not that the xxd line had that much to begin with anyway.
I guess I’m alone in wanting improved dynamic range and high ISO performance in my cameras….
I don’t understand why? would you explain..
they are cheaper than Nikon….. you have to live with newer technologies…
yeh its great… the main advantage of GH1
Thank you for blessing us with your all-important approval of this rumor. I just didn’t know what to think until you chimed in with an agreement.
Seriously though, is it really that hard so submit this type of comment directly to CR guy like everyone else so we don’t have to read it. I would really appreciate that.
I’ll buy it. The swivel screen has to be deployed by Canon at some point, and it might as well be on the XXD line, which needs something other than internal specs to set it apart from its new stepbrother, the 7D. (Each line has to have an identity, and this feature would help reestablish the XXD’s identity.) And for videography, it makes sense to give the shooter a comfortable viewing angle option, whereas swivel screens were rarely useful for shooting stills. If you don’t do video, I guess you might feel like you’re being ripped off, but I think that’s a mistake. The fact that this camera is supposedly “video focused” may simply mean that they finally got the specs right, whereas with the 5D Mk II and even the 7D the specs seemed dated and inadequate within weeks of the release. It doesn’t mean that your mirror is going to malfunction or you won’t be able to shoot stills like you always did before. Sometimes it seems like what people really want is to go back to the 40D…
you are right!
the photographers history is full of that:
We don´t need (semi-)automatic exposure, a photographer should know how to choose the right aperture and shutter without measurement!
Who needs Autofocus – we are Pros!
AF will be only for Consumers.
Live View is useless, the real photographer don´t even need a Display!
Video on a SLR – Help me! Buy a video cam if you like to shoot video.
(btw. i know a lot more people who are buying a 5D/7D for Video and not for stills)
and the next big thing will be an EVF integrated also in High End Bodies – and i can hear some ignorants complaining again.
I think the benefit is you get the same quality photos of a DSLR plus very good quality video. In comparison video cameras cannot produce photos of the same quality.
There is a big difference in this case compared to the examples you gave. You list examples of inventions that serve the same purpose as what they are replacing or inventions that are creating a new market without destroying any others. ABS brakes were just an improvement to the existing braking methods. PC’s are not replacing any specific device.
This is a camera “optimized for video”. There is no way they can do this without de-optimizing it for photography. People are complaining that the low cost dslr camera market is disappearing because the new versions are meant more for video than stills. People are not saying that video has no value for anyone, but rather that the process of capturing stills is potentially more difficult than it was before since the cameras are not specifically meant for that anymore.
I hope it comes with a APS-H sensor. The APS-C sensor is a bit too small for me..
“smaller form factor than the 50D, but not by much.”
May be 1.7X？Jesus…is the 1.6X too costly?
Hope it is not true…
LOL, a swivel screen for a live mode which doesn’t work that well anyway. LOL.
So why do we need video on this camera? On Dpreview, I was told that the T2I video is equivalent to a $20,000 HD Camcorder! (Yeah, I laughed too).
I do recall the absolute firestorm that AF caused at first. People went insane. It got bashed to pieces.
Now the same people go insane that they don’t use a more advanced/better AF module in some body hah.
well then get the t2i or 7D
smaller BODY form factor
nothing to do with sensor size at all
swivel screen will be good for my emo selfshot bathroom mirror myspace photo.
People complained that 1MP was too much, any changes at all bring out whinners. Video capability sells cameras. They are basically still cameras, and I seldom use the video, but sometimes it will capture a moment better than a still, and I’m glad I can do it with a touch of a button. It doesn’t cost more, in fact, the high volume of sales brings the price down.
AF, EVF, Live View, etc are improvements for a still camera. but a “movie focused” camera is a different story. if this is the new xxD line, it means that they are changing it to become a video camera rather than a still camera. if this is a new model, then go ahead canon. there are people who needs a still camera that sits between the t2 and 7D
I have been waiting this one too to replace my 350D
maybe 1-2 yrs from now the rivalry between canon and nikon will become…
canon for videographers
nikon for photographers
guess who has more market share???
Canon for photographers and/or videographers. More sales means more profits means more money for R&D means better niche products.
I concede that this is a medium to long term view.
It looks like the same “argument s” has been heated up again. A. DSLR only vs. DSLR plus Video. B. High pixel count vs. Lower pixel count ( for better high ISO performance.
For me, what I want is a DSLR with excellent picture quality and no video function. it is well known fact that the 18Mp APS-C DSLR is limited in the following :1. It needs at least a good L lens (read it as very expensive and heavy) to fully make use of the resolution 2. The High ISO performance is even below the old 20D. 3. sharpness was sacrificed for the lower noise by using noise reduction. 4. Diffraction effect started to kick in below f 6.3 ( reported by a professional landscape photographer). 5. Canon Rumour did not give 7D the camera of the year for the above reasons.
As for using DSLR as a video camera, It sounds good on paper. However, there are a few drawbacks: 1. the form factor of DSLR is not for hand held video for any long period of time. So a tripod have to be used, therefore it limits the mobility of the video shooter. 2. CF or SD card is the only storage media ( you can always down low them to the PC later) and they are expensive, especially for high capacity ones that will give you an hour of video. 3. Zooming the lens will shake the camera. So you cannot even zoom the lens during shooting. So I just cannot understand why people even demand this function to be included in the DSLR. The only time I can see that function to be useful is in a movie studio with the DSLR on a trolley on track and have everything scripted. DSLR with video is definite not for casual user. I am always wondering about the people that are championing for the video function have actually use the video function extensively.
For me, I hope that the new 60D will be a DSLR without video (hope to keep the price lower). with a gapless 16MP APS-H sensor and ALL the features of the 7D(without the video). I would even settle for a 12MP gapless APS-C sensor. The body should be magnesium , about the size of a 20D with a good grip and full weather seal.
Will there be any 35mm F1.8 lens soon?
The interesting question is: will the “lower level/cheaper (than 5D Mark II) HDSLR” be FF, or just a 50D successor?
A cheaper full-frame would be something I might be interested in to complement my 7D.
spot on! for those who wants video theres the
CANON XF300 and CANON XF305 video cameras
if you have complaints, wait for the CRguy to post “New canon video camera” then complain all you want regarding its price, specs and features
While I have a 7D and played around with video a bit, for me this is more a fun add-on, not a significant feature. Of course that is partly due to my lack of skill as videographer, but no matter how good your skill is, unless you add a lot of extra equipment, its tough to get descent results.
BTW: I recently read a review in a renowned computer and electronics magazine on consumer Full-HD video cameras, where they also benchmarked the 7D as representative of the recent crop of FullHD-Video-DSLRs. Regarding most measurements (actual resolution, color accuracy, you name it) the 7D was vastly inferior to even the worse performers among the video cameras. Of course these cameras with the small sensors won’t give you the cineastic effect of shallow DoF, but this comes at a considerable price, both in money and usability (at least for non-professional videographers which don’t add an array of equipment like a follow focus etc.).
So for most hobbyist videographers, a dedicated video camera will be the better bet.
Of course for indy film makers etc. the DSLRs are a nice thing to have. But that shouldn’t Canon & Co get too distracted with adding video stuff and neglecting the still photography crowd.
You are COMPLETELY WRONG here.
1. An 18 MP APS-C camera does NOT need L lens. The 18-55 IS kit lens is more than enough to cope with it. In fact, in terms of resolution, it outperforms the 17-55 f/2.8 IS and beats the 17-40 f/4L lens to a pulp. See:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/911515
2. The high ISO performance of the 7D completely destroys the 8 MP 20D and 12 MP D300. See:
http://pixinfo.com/cikkek/dslr_evolution.3
3. Sharpness is absolutely not destroyed. See points (1) and (2).
4. Diffraction is not significant AT ALL. Check out Photozone & DXOLab tests on 15 MP 50D vs 8 MP XT for the same lenses.
5. Who cares what Canon Rumors says.
Stop spreading garbage.
The link in pt (1) should be:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/910016/2
Video is here to stay, get over it,
Only a niche product will be with out video(M9or MF)
I can see a video oriented dslr selling very well.
I agree.
I’m hoping that the 60D would not come with a swivel screen or articulating screen.
I don’t want it cause it wouldn’t look as professional. I would assume it feeling flimsy and wouldn’t have that strong solid feel to it.
Give us new primes, EF-S and updates of L lenses! The bodies I got (40D and XSI) are more than enough for next 3 years:) Any EF-S f/2.8 or f/4 ultrawides, will they come some day??? EF-S 30 to 35 mm 1.8 prime, like one quite good that Nikon has.
That’s right.
just because you cant afford a L lens, dont hate on it.
L series lens does more the just sharpness and resolution.
And finally will any DSLR manufacturer focus on main problem of digital photography – the DYNAMIC RANGE!?!?!?
i havent even tried to tun on the Video on my 2 5d2 bodies.
I hope it will be 7Dx, a new camera with full frame sensor and share all other specification the same as 7D (18 MP, AF system, may be a little bit lower frame rate).
Company like Canon would not put their resource to develop something they can’t sell. There is obviously demand for this type of camera, hence, every camera maker is adding video as the de facto feature on their newer models.
Do you really think you can out smart the entire group of PM/Markering people who have done this as their daily jobs for years??? If there is NO DEMAND, they would have dropped this already. Take GPS tagging as example, how many new models are equipped with it? Maybe some, but obviously NOT every one of them, but almost every new DSLR model is coming out equipped with video today.
Canon obviously knows what they are doing, otherwise, they wouldn’t go back to a 10MP sensor for G11. Any people with a common business sense will make the right call to sell more basic models to the regular Joe than to sell much much fewer units of high end models to the pro shooters. I will love to see the pie chart of DSLR sales from Canon broke down by models. My bet is the lower end models such as rebel and xxD adds up to more than 70-75% of Canon’s DSLR sales.
just look at the g11. its back side is completely plastic because of the crappy swivel screen. These screens are flimsy and prone to failure. They are also smaller than the non-articulating screens.
what makes a xxd better than a 550d is its build quality and if canon takes that away, it will be just another entry level rebel.
The xxd users need better dynamic range and high iso performance not a crappy toy screen.
And 80:20 rule applies everywhere in any business. If you fall into that 20% category, then don’t complain about why the business doesn’t listen to your needs, because almost EVERY business will need to focus on that 80% because that is where the money is coming from.
As for being in that 20%, unfortunately, you are just out of luck, most of business will not able to invest their precious resource into something that can’t maximize the profit of it. So, pick something you will like to use and leave the rest of us 80% alone. LOL
Have any of you noticed since Canon start selling the T2i, it’s constantly out of stock everywhere online? Because they simply can’t keep up with the demand. Now tell me that people who buys T2i is not because it can also shoot 1080P video but because it shoot great stills.
Movie focused hope not, I know a lot of people love the movie feature in their SLRs but it does not interest me, you have to buy a lot of extra accessiories to get the most from it such as an external mic and follow focus.
When you already have to buy accesories for stills, buying yet more for movies is a cost too far for me.
That said I would buy an SLR with movie features and just not use them but I don’t welcome an SLR that puts movies first and stills second.
there’s always the 50D…
“but it does not interest me”
and im sure that it does not interest Canon either
APS-H anyone?
of course without the either ;)
Video on DSLRs is the future, in time it will evolve to everyones satisfaction , so stop whining right now, you sound like you make up for that 80% market share that like video as a little extra, if you complain too much, then don’t buy it… keep waiting loosers.
I think canon should rather introduce an APS-C camcorder than a video-optimized DSLR (but I don’t want to miss the video function at DSLRs).
The 7D/550D have both good High-ISO, although not as good as it could be with less MP/ bigger pixels…
Than canel the order ;).
Problem is you don’t know, wether/when the 60D is coming…
exactly the same here, The Janster
true. please be 21 mpix! PLEASE!
i have been waiting for a replacement of my 400D for years too and i am so glad the 60D comes exactly as expected!
What would fit between 550D and 7D? No idea?
It’s the 60D of course.
I guess you simply should focus on one-digit bodies; the 7D is just right for you.
So, the 60d will be a video focused cam ????
and no 3d ??????????
i love those dumb and ignorant comments.
you do know, that “vide” is a firmware and was once developed and is now just put into every camera? oh and there is this new button which costs maby 1 cent but i doubt it.
video costs nothing! don’t seriously tell me you think the camera would be cheaper without video.
what is your problem? why can’t you accept new technologies?
if you don’t like it, go to nikon and pay the same for a camera without video. or you will have to learn to ignore the button at canons -.-
Mark, quite agree with you point of view. Hope this R&D will help Canon to finally re-start developing photography oriented DSLRs and video oriented camcorders :)
The Q is: Will it be a xxD with a magnesium-body or a xxxD with a plastic-body?
Why are there so many people that have difficulty seeing the obvious? Is this place just full of nut jobs?
I’ve waited so long to replace 350d. I don’t need movie mode and dumb swivel screen. I need a bigger body for my lumberjack hands and a second dial. I guess, that I’ll wait for 5d3 and buy a 5d2 with a rebate + 28-135IS.
Exactly my point too.. 40D, better ISO, better Viewfinder: my Cam
You might call me oldfashioned, but imho a videofunction on a DSLR is the unnecessariest thing ever invented…
I’m sure “optimized for video” only means “supports video and offers slight improvements over the previous models”. It will still be a DSLR first.
What might “video optimized ” camera mean in practice?
– No mirror or a translucent mirror?
– Fulltime liveview?
Will these features reduce SLR photo performance?
On a positive note It must surley mean full time auto focus.
I am not sure how much we can trust the DXOlabs data. Almost every lens/Camera combination shows a result of 45 to 55 lpmm. That is equal to less than 4MP for APS-C sensor. No wonder you do not think L lens is needed for 18 MP sensor. Every test report that are on the web says the 18Mp sensor do need a very good lens. They also say that the 18 Mp is more noisy and the noise reduction impacts the resolution. Please read the reports on lens and camra in DPreview or any other review site.You can keep your head in the sand and ignore the rest of the world. That is your right. Every body is entitle to his opinion and no body have the right to say the other person’s opinion is garbage, especially the other person is right.
If you do not care about what the Canon Rumors says, why are you spend your time in this site? Just put your head back into the sand.
I am not trying to outsmart the Marketing guy in Canon. I am just express what I want. You think the video in DSLR is so great. Have you ever actually use it??? Canon marketing Guy are looking after Canon, not us, the customer. Otherwise they will not team the cheap 10-55mm Kit lens with a 18MP T2i. This shows the mentality of them. I do not need to outsmart them.
I may be in the 20% that do not want Video in DSLR. Have you ever use DSLR as Video camera. If you do. Do you agree with my 3 points that are against it?
I want a good stil camera. If it comes with video, I will still buy it. I just will not use it. I can always use my video camera for video. I will have power zoom, IS, 20x optical zoom, optical IS, comfortable hand hold and mobility. You can have your DSLR as the video camera and lost all the advantage that i have just mentioned.
What is obvious???
You’re right.
What is happening in the DSLR market today is competition at it’s best, for the benefit of us customers. I am looking forward to what’s coming next…
+1
I currently own a 450D (XSi) and would like to upgrade to the latest technology, hoping for IQ improvement (mainly high ISO capacity, the general IQ of my camera being good), better AF and video.
The 550D lacks the better AF, the 7D is too big/heavy/expensive for my needs, so the rumored camera MIGHT be just right for me!
Have you ever use your DSLR as a video camcorder??? Tell me about it. It is not nice to call people names. I do not need to wait. I have a Leica.
Have you ever use your DSLR as a video camcorder??? Tell me about it.
Yes, we can ignore DXOLab data, but you can’t ignore Photozone results.
READ DPReview review on 18 MP 7D and 550D. The latter is described in DPReview as CLASS LEADING.
Canon Rumors is NOT a REVIEW site. They do not carry out controlled testing on cameras. It is a RUMOR site, in case you have not noticed.
Do not spread your lies all over.
You have conveniently ignored the superb comparison shown here:
http://pixinfo.com/cikkek/dslr_evolution.3
You should stick YOUR head out of the sand.
I agree totally. The kit lens has poor color and contrast.
But the argument here is purely on resolution and I am merely saying the kit lens is good enough to produce sharp resolution (never mind the colors and contrast). :)
I would love a vari angle lcd, also a 12mp sensor, less demanding of my old manual focus lenses. Every sample I see from the 550d even with l lenses has inferior pixel level sharpness compared to my 350d, especially at the edges of the frame. 12 would be more than enough.
http://rumeursphoto.blogspot.com/
looks like 55D…
lol man, this made me laugh out loud.
where is the lens????
gimme 35L with weather seal pls!!!!!!!
Have you guys been following the GH1 hack??
Its practically a tiny red camera now. 80mbps MJPEG and 70Mbps AVHCD with variable framerates. The codec is the best one in a HDSLR right now.
So canon better up the bitrate on this one
Bring it on if the D700 replacement it has the same sensor as the Nikon D3s and has 1080p 24/p/30/p HD Video.
I think it is the Canon 7D and550D that is beating Nikon’s APS-C offering to a pulp.
The Nikon D300s/D90 are still good cameras but the new APS-C models from Canon significantly out-values these.
You really think that Canon would hurt 5D2 sales for a FF 60D with better AF?
No way this is ever gonna happen. 50D already has the better AF over 5D2, so FF will not be added!
Nikon’s APS-C offerings are comfortably beating Canon’s in Japan. You can argue features and specs all you want, but Nikon is shifting more units than Canon. That Canon has no rival to the Nikon D90 appears to be the problem. The 550D hasn’t got the ergonomics, the 50D does not have video and the 7D is much more expensive.
Canon’s new camera won’t be competing against the D90, it will be competing against the D90’s replacement. The 50D and the D90 are both two years old (they were announced one day apart). Will Nikon feel the need to replace the D90–its top seller–immediately, or will they wait and see how a Canon 60D gets on?
You will also have to wait for a few weeks or months for its release and, at first, it probably won’t be much cheaper than the street price of a 7D.
“a videofunction on a DSLR is the unnecessariest thing ever invented…”
That would explain why nobody is buying them. ;-)
My guess is that it will be called 60D, but come with a plastic body anyways.
Video optimized could mean
– articulated screen
– High-res, high brilliance screen
– A lot of work on AF performance in live view/video mode
– (co)processor optimized for video (Digic V?)
– Maybe finally pixel binning rather than just line skipping.
;-) Could be useful for skiing.
Are you serious? The 7D has the best high ISO I’ve seen from any APS-C Canon. At ISO3200+ it is better than the 50D and 5Dmk1.
It has nothing to do with accepting new technologies. Cost is irrelevant. But when Canon chooses to INVEST time and money into video features for PHOTOGRAPHERS, that is taking time and money away from developing, say, photography-related features. If I’m a photographer, why would I continue to buy a product that is increasingly not geared toward the type of work I do? The video capability is neat. It’s great that I can shoot a little personal video now and then, but it’s not something I can sell and it’s not why I bought an SLR camera in the first place. I would never jump the Canon ship over little differences in sensors or lenses or because Nikon gets ahead for a few months, but I will consider jumping if Canon becomes out of touch with the needs and desires of PHOTOGRAPHERS and puts their R&D into capabilities that do not help our craft. I’ve often heard it said that Canon made cameras built by engineers and Nikon made cameras built by photographers. I have always preferred Canon for a ton of reasons, but frankly, this whole HD video kick and the amount of energy going into it seems like an engineers wet dream at the cost of photographers.
Got a link to the market share data? I tried looking up BNC ranking, and so far I only found a ranking by model not overall share.
Still, Since June 2009, The Kiss X3 then X4 (5xxD, Rebel whatever) took the top spot in the monthly charts except for one month when the D90 snuck in, I’d guess possibly due to the transition from X3 to X4 depressing their individual numbers. The low end Nikons (D90 and lower) certainly float around close to the top, but without numbers it’s hard to say.
It doesn’t look better for Nikon in the mid range, with the D300s easily being beaten by both the 7D, and the D700 isn’t even close to the 5D2.
Your glaring ignorance simply demands a response. Your analogy is fundamentally flawed in that all those technological developments were PHOTOGRAPHY related. Video is not photography. It’s a separate art form that has been around for over a hundred years. If I wanted to be a videographer, I’d buy a video camera. I think it’s fantastic that the sensor is capable of recording video. I like having the video feature. But all I need is something rudimentary for home videos. If I wanted a video camera, I’d buy a video camera. I want a capable SLR camera. When autofocus came out, I thought it was great. When digital technology came out, I thought it was great. HD video has nothing to do with photography.
But you get six different frame rates for video! Just the thing photographers need!
So dumb to be anti video….. the push from pro video users will have a HUGE benefit on still imagery in a few years time.
Sooner or later we will get 4k (12mpx or so) RAW video out of these DSLRs.
Imagine being able to pull 12mpx still images from a 24fps video… or 60fps?
Imagine the possibilities that creates for still photography… nature, sports, editorial, news etc
Also note, the 5DII had a cheaper starting price point than the 5D.
Go back to film if you don’t like all this change.
Swivel LCD…ewwwww
and also between 550D and 7D thats where 60D should be theres no way canon would place some smaller form factor cam between the 55D and 7D as that would kill en entire market.
except that more pixels also means better cropping and downscaling and leaves better noise preformance in the end.
I’ve never used Auto mode on my 5DII, should they scrap that too?
Looks good to me, assuming that 9 point AF is at least like the 50D AF.
I sure hope the camera will be the (almost mythical) EOS 60D and it will have the top LCD and read thumb wheel. It can be smaller than the 50D by one or two milimeters, I do not mind. But please, not the xxxD or xxxxD toy body, even if it would be a bit bigger. The ergonomics of the xxxD and xxxxD cameras is a pain.
as long as its not the 60d ! i want tnat cam i have money ready and id be pissed if it didnt come as its really about time the 50d gets a replacement.
so far higher MP always have increased iso preformance when compared to the older lower MP sensors stop the crying over MP its better either way just enjoy the extra cropping and downscale for better iso preformance.
no it doesnt 60D isnt supposed to be aimed at video and shouldnt have a silly swivel lcd and the 60D shouldnt have a smaller body then the 50D as some people buy the xxD line for the bigger grips.
the only thing this camera has in commen with what should be the 60D is that it is between the 550D and the 7D.
Sweetness
Translated:
It seems that the 60D is not for now. Ce 55D devrait venir remplacer le 50D, en reprenant le capteur et les fonctions vidéo du 7D, le tout emballé dans un corps de 50D. The 55D should come to replace the 50D, taking up the sensor and video features of 7D, all packed in a body 50D.
18MP
ISO 6400
6.5 fps
9-point AF
LiveView and similar video 7D
Control remote flash by flash
Swivel LCD
New Menu
It’s full of people, according to you, who don’t see the obvious, but that doesn’t make them nutjobs.
hmmm looks like a PS job
That’s not saying much
Perfect Canon customer
50D would still be selling loads, if they had ignored marketing and put video in it, that was a bit of a stupid move at the time.
The Canon 550D is at the top in May 2010 (D90 was top in April), but Nikon are now in 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so they are winning by my count:
http://www.dslrphoto.com/dslr/japan-top-10-dslr-camera-sales-ranking-in-may-2010—1-canon-rebel-t2i,16301.html
The Japanese top 10 in May 2010 has these brands: Nikon 36.5%, Canon 25.2%, Panasonic 7.2%, Olympus 6.5% and Pentax 5.8%. That’s 81.2% of the market for those ten camera bodies. Canon are too far behind to make up the numbers from the remaining 18.8%, given that Nikon, Sony and others have a chunk of that, too.
We’ll get a 60D. Canon have no choice.
Exactly,
So many people can’t understand that low ISO 18 MP is great, and high ISO shots can be cleaned up easily with NR leaving a clean image with more detail than a 12 MP sensor. They just don’t know how to get the most out of their images.
if iso could be 1 stop better than 5d2, i will buy at least 1 1ds IV
I don’t know what’s under the rubber flaps on the left hand side of the camera body. Am I missing anything?
I ordered the 7D when it was announced specifically for the video function. I must have shot less than 100 still pictures with it. The video function of the 7D allow me to almost double my sales as freelance videographer. I am very gratefull to canon for this unnecessary feature!
Just because focus was put on video doesn’t mean significant improvements won’t be seen in stills also…
Well, it’s more practical in use…
Are you trying to capture images are look “cool”?
Peter, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I shot this video handheld with a 7D:
http://vimeo.com/8788024
I would have to say that all of your “3 points” are outweighed by the fact that it is an interchangeable lens HD video camera with a (roughly) Super 35mm sized sensor for less than $2000.
The only thing I don’t like about the new specs is the use of the outdated AF system. Canon is using this system since 2001 (maybe even before that). They should pay more R&D on that area instead of cranking up more uneeded MP.
If you’re a pro-photographer with demanding critical photography needs, buy a 1D series or go to Nikon where the video really is just a gimmick add-on.
Most pro’s can work with any of the high end Nikon’s or Canon’s, and the video complaint is just petty. Ignore it. I’d be surprised if you’d save $50 if Canon removed the feature.
I have experimented with Video on my 5DII. It is exiting, and I am learning a lot. It’s not easy to learn or practice, but this camera can put out cinema-quality video. If you want to limit yourself to Photography only, go ahead. Apparently millions of others like me are thrilled to have both stills and high-end video in one package.
Well, I do.
I’m professional shooting full time, 100% of my income comes from photography. So I guess I know what I’m talking about. I’m not saying video is bad, simply there are photographers that don’t need this feature. First of all I’m PHOTOGRAPHER not VIDEOGRAPHER, I shoot stills not video. Someone said it’s great to make video and pull hi res frame out of it and make great photo. Where’s the artistry in that. Just switch to video! It’s like taking 1dmkIII and shoot continuously for 20 min. Sound stupid right? I know you can’t afford $5-10,000 video camera system. But in this case camera manufacturers take advantage of us. 20% of photo market are pros. 80% everyone else who love to have video and photo ability. Instead of buying hd video camera $1000 and good dslr $1000 you’ll buy HD DSLR for $2000 and automatically my camera cost went up $1000. Its not technology it’s marketing. Another comment: No photo ability in pro video cameras. WHY? Videographers don’t need it!!! They can’t stop taping Word Cup and take few still shots. Why would they?
My point, I’m not against video, but i don’t need it. Would you rather use scalpel to do surgery or razor blade? Equally sharp, can produce similar cut, yet each one is designed for something else. I love technology if its geared in right direction. Add GPS, wifi, radio flash control etc. but not video. Have no problem with video in consumer cameras but adding video to anything 5d and up is just stupid. Would you buy 1ds class camera to shoot video or rather spend this amount to buy pro video system?
+1000
+1001
I wouldn’t say HD video has nothing to do with photography.
http://blog.planet5d.com/2010/05/new-trends-in-motion-photography-moving-portraits-and-vertical-video/
http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2010/04/dangerous-curves.html
From the sounds of these supposed Canon rumors, the Nikon D700 update/ replacement with video capabilities will blow the doors off of anything Canon comes out with in the next 24 months.
the 5D2’s skewed sales are video-based, not just stills like the D700. When the D700s/x has video capabilities, guess who will be gobbling up all the sales?
Canon’s saving grace has been the 5D MKII and 7D. Why? mid-range priced VIDEO. Guess what’s going to happen when Nikon’s already superior still cameras have 1080 HD? Canon will be sitting in their dust. Canon has forgotten their still photo roots, and think video is all they need to improve. The 1D/Ds MKII series waw when they were tops; now with the D3 series D700, Nikon has Canon in the dust, and a gap that will only grow with the next series of releases. Canon’s only hope is a FF 3D to make up lost ground.
Canon has already lost touch with the needs of photographers. All you need to do is look at the technological still photo advances of Nikon in the past few years compared to Canon, and you’ll see where the effort is going- NOT to stills.
I don’t think ti’s anti- video, more so pro-still photogrpahic technology advancements. Something Canon is lacking compared to Nikon the past few years.
Thanks for the link… interesting numbers there. Wonder if a 1000D replacement would help too?
Instead of bells and whistles like”GPS, wifi, radio flash control etc.” why the hell doesnt’ Canon learn how to make a REAL still camera with 1/1000 flash sync, 20-25 MP, FF, ISO 25K that’s USABLE, etc.? Now that’s actual advancement in technology…
Please list at least one way that the addition of video to the 5DII or T2i has degraded the performance of still imaging on the respective platform. Is there ANY way that these cameras are inferior to their predecessors? Note that I omitted the 7D because it has no immediate predecessor.
No Peter, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I understand why you’re upset but telling people they should stick to dedicated video cameras if they want video shows your ignorance regarding cinematography.
There is no dedicated video camera offering what DSLRs offer unless you’re willing to pay 30k for a Red One. Even then, the 5d Mark 2 has a larger sensor and a smaller form factor.
The last episode of House was shot on the 5D Mark 2. The people who make that show are not facing budget restraints. The only reason they chose the 5D was because it was the best tool for the task.
If Canon starts to move their DSLR technology into their camcorder line up your point will become valid; but until then, DSLRs are the way to go…
Maybe you should read up on what’s available for cinematographers before you laugh too hard…
It would cost more than 20k to get a video camera with a sensor as large as the T2i’s. So in some ways, the comment from Dpreview is valid.
If your Leica was good enough you wouldn’t be here.
What’s obvious?
That the 5D3 will not be until 2011.
That a camera between the 7D and 550 is “overdue” and will be the 60D.
That all DSLRs above the low end will now have video.
That Canon will not choose to use a sensor with fewer megapixels.
I’ve taken photos with > 18MP, at 3200ISO, but the noise when “cleaned up” removes all the fine detail in the animals’ fur (dusk lighting.) Even when looking at it with 100% magnification, it is better than applying NR because there’s no smudging, just lots of noisy color.
At 100% magnification, the 7D and 5D2 are not a whole lot better than the 20D, it’s only when you “zoom out” to screen resolution that things really change.
+1000
Great links, thanks!!
This is exactly the kind of thing that happens when people keep their minds open!
Exactly!
The T2i, 7D, 5DII, and 1DIV can produce cinema quality video.
These are exciting times for creative, inspired, open minded photographers and cinematographers alike. The tools are improving rapidly, and becoming more accessible.
I thought this was common knowledge by now, but apparently a lot of people don’t yet realize how good the video on the Canon DSLRs are.
Like any other tool, you need to learn to use it. But unlike any other affordable video cameras, the Canon DSLRs can produce cinematic quality.
I am looking for a good backup (for rough usage) for my Lieca
Maybe you’re using too much noise reduction. What NR software are you using.
I find that Imaginomics noiseware does a very good job of preserving details, and has fully adjustable settings for noise removal.
Sure you can express what you want, but Canon is still going to come out with DSLR with video despite what you want .. that is just the reality :-)
I surely do, I just received my T2i and am happy with every aspect of it. :-)
Capture my daughter running and bouncing at 1080P and still able to capture her in nice still picture. I am happy with my camera and I am happy with my purchase.
That’s a spirit!!!
There is research into this. It’s not an easy issue, and I believe that the CMOS technology is a limiting factor.
Other sensor technologies are being researched, quantum dots for instance, which promise to offer twice the dynamic range of CMOS and 4x sensitivity. There will be phones with quantum dot sensors in a year of so. ( http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10032201quantumfilm.asp ).
As usual, if you want a better camera, wait another year or two. It will be that way for quite a while yet.
However if you want to start taking pictures, you have to pick from what’s available now.
btw .. i have the 40D and 5DII … 5DII is better at ISO 3200 than the 40D is at ISO 1600, even at pixel to pixel level.
In fact the the 40D at ISO 1600 is about the same as the 5DII at ISO 6400. But the 5DII has twice as many pixels, so it cleans up well and yields a better image at 6400 than the 40D does at 1600.
I still use my 40D, because it is great for sports.
Newsflash: The lower pixel count people keep wanting removes fine details as well.
Comparing 100% crops of different resolutions always has and always will be a fool’s exercise. You need to either scale down the larger MP image (which improves signal/noise) or blow up the lower MP images (which will show you how blocky the image really is compared to the high MP image.) Or better yet, print them both out at the same physical size.
You obviously do NOT know what you’re doing. See here:
http://pixinfo.com/cikkek/dslr_evolution.3
The D5000 did not kill the D90 market. In fact, all three Nikon cams, D3000, D5000 and D90 dominate the Japanese market (see BCNRanking) and obliterate Canon market shares.
Inferiority is different than lack of superiority. And superiority is what the newer Canon cameras are lacking compared to Nikon’s improvements in the D3/ D700 over their predecessors in the still photo realm.
How about FF. Or better yet, 40mm X 53mm sensors. APS-H is pointless, substandard, and should disappear.
Agreed +10000000000
Canon needs to prove themselves to be vastly superior on both sensor and lens development fronts… like what it used to be during the 20D/30D/5D era.
Canon use the 9 point “all crosss detector) since 2007 (40D). before that, only the center detector is crossed. Sometimes, more detector may not be better. DSLR tends to pick the closest detected object to be the focus point. If the detectors are too spreadout. it will have a better chance to detect the closest object that you DO NOT want to be focus on.
“Video Focused”. If I read it right, the new camera will be aiming at video more than the still pictures. For me that is like a tail wagging the dog. I do not mind having the video function, even I may never use it. But I can not understand the logic behind “video focused” feature in a DSLR camera that should be focused on still picture.
You are nothing but a liar. DPreview has clearly spelled out at the conclusion in the image section that the 550D needs good lens and the kit lens cannot make full use of the 18MP. As for noise. Both the Nikon 000D and the Pentax KX (both are lower MP) beat the 550D. Also when you look at the noise test pictures, the Nikon and the Pantax is more crisp than the 550D. As for “Class leader”, DPreview is comparing 550D to the Previous Rebel. So shut up and stick your head back to the sand and brain wash your self.
The web site :
http://pixinfo.com/cikkek/dslr_evolution.3 is in hungarian that cannot be translated by Google or AltaVista. therefore I cannot fully understand it it. With my limited knowledge in German, Italian and Spanish, to the best of my guesting, the picture files have been manipulated (upscaled???) and put into a 60cm print. So much for the result.
I don’t call that (new) it’s more like an upgrade. Otherwise, we have to consider the focus system in 5d mark II to be totally new because it have 6 assistant points!
I used the 7d’s Autofocus and I think it is nice and it should be the “Minimum” for any new DSLR that is above the 550d.
Who cares about Japan rankings, that market has always been the quirkiest one for any consumer electronics product. Show me rest of Asia and the whole world rankings, Canon has never lost #1 status since the launch of the EOS system in 1987. And that’s the bottomline that matters.
Dreaming about Nikon vaporware is laughable.
Admirably trolled sir. Caps off to you.
Lulz. Best post of the thread. Headgears off to you.
Excellently trolled sir. Sombreros off to you.
May I weigh in…
I’ve followed the pro- / anti- video DSLR arguments for a while. If it comes to cost, there doesn’t seem to be much reason not to put video in. There have been some heated debates with people insisting that we don’t know how high development costs for video are, which is true, but when that’s amortized across the ten million units Canon is selling across three years…not such a big deal is it? And, in terms of extra hardware, it doesn’t add much at all to the cost. At most a button. The bulk of the changes are in software, as beefier readout etc. for video are all items that has a direct application for stills also.
If anything, the requirements of video on DSLR are making some people argue for MORE film-friendly cameras in the vein of Nikon: Lower megapixel counts for less aliased pixel grabs across the frame (to reduce aliasing from undersampling), which would also likely lead to higher usable ISO. And high sensitivity is valuable, actually critically important, to videographers.
And, not to be rude, but there are many features of cameras that some people find indispensable, but others don’t ever use despite how they style themselves. You can definitely be a working professional and not ever use Live View, or exposure bracketing, or Canon’s funky implementation of mirror lock-up, or never second-guess the Canon metering, but that doesn’t mean we should pull those features off either.
And I think some people would be shocked to see how the T1i / 500D (my camera) sold compared to the 50D (has some improvements but not where it counted to me – and no video).
And, finally, I often feel it pays off to have the higher pixel count in the final image. In good lighting conditions, you get more detail of the same quality as a camera with fewer pixels. The downside has been marginal lighting conditions, where I often find myself wanting to take pictures and the sensitivity suffers. I would rate the T1i as bad in this respect, but then again the 50D seems to be no different.
That was more of a reply for Peter by the way.
About the 5D Mark II episode of House…I read one of the lenses used was the 70-200mm L (the new IS Mark II?) and I can’t imagine that varifocus lenses would be fun to use for videography. It is my understanding that all those lenses change viewing angle on focusing. Even the “venerable” old 50mm f/1.4 (hopefully to be replaced soon?) has focus breathing. My second lens, the inexpensive TS-E 17mm f/4L, does not exhibit focus breathing, and is a fully manual lens.
I’m sure the budgets for House are relatively unconstrained compared to mine, but is that still enough to plunk down a few thousand dollars for each of the new EF mount Zeiss Compact Primes? The four to five figures for individual lenses or the set isn’t bad, but trying to justify that for lenses primarily for still camera systems that are constantly in flux may be harder to the execs. (Then again I’d point out to the bosses that Canon is a pretty reliable manufacturer – the ditch of FD lenses aside – and even with the possibility of the introduction of mirrorless cameras the EF series of lenses should soldier on a while.)
Canon surely is at a critical juncture – if they can prove their platform is not only a reasonable performer for video, but cost-effective, they could displace a lot of the market the Red One and other similar projects had hoped to corner.
Video focusing does not come at the expense of excellent autofocus, if anything video users will probably still have to suffer through software contrast detection or however the hell the current video DSLRs handle it.
Better AF for the lower end bodies would always be nice but Canon has never given that away cheap.
The Mark II team wears two hats? Does it have two heads?
And ehh…DPreview rated Canon’s new 70-200mm better than Nikon’s essentially equal offering. Though both seem better than the Alpha mount one.
Good luck to all Nikon users waiting for equivalents to the new TS-E lenses. For now that’s a reason for me to stick with the Canon platform. Don’t need no gold band, ‘cuz I’ve got DPP and the TS-E.
I do not think “Movie Focused” means the capability of focusing for movie. My way of reading it the word “focused” means “concentrate”, “important”, “dedicate” “emphaszied”all rolled into one.
The sales of T1i is a lot more than the 50D is due to price. Most people will look at them almost equal. most people may not known or care about “micro focus adjustment”, “peripheral illumination correction”. Also most people have been using plastic camera for along time, who cares about magnesium body. So who wants to pay 2.5 times more for the 50D? Also 50D has been kick pretty bad in the area of noise and the need for excellent (L) lens. If I have only $1200 to spend, I will go for the T1I and couple good lens also. video is just icing on the cake for T1i, not the reason to be a good seller.
I am glad that you are enjoying your T2i. 18Mp with video, It is a bargain for $900 with a kit lens. That is why is is a hot seller. It is still a bargain even without the video, compared to 50D for most people.
Not if your a wedding photographer shooting in a dark church and flash is not allowed. Big pixels, is the only way to get the shot.
NOT if I got it for $810 with kit lens, it’s an EXCELLENT DEAL! :P
D’oh, right you are.
We’ll have to see if they take out features…I rather doubt it – I’m not expecting anything much more advanced in terms of features than the T1i / T2i – then again, those cameras aren’t obsolete. If it does have a swivel screen, though, that’ll be a major point in favor of it.
The sports shooters (and other semi-pros) who want more than 9 AF points (and similar features) really will probably be better served by going to a higher-end body, no matter the body.
Then, stick that Leica up your a**.
2nd that
Dear god please magnesium, I want a camera not a toy
Dreaming about Canon still being on top of the still high-end photo game is what’s laughable.
Get real.
Kannon, have you been paying attetion to high-end DSLR’s the past few years?
Guess who is going to have more market share after the next wave of Canon/ Nikon releases when:
1. Canon further develops their video capabilities by a decent margin, yet still ignores REAL advancements in the still photo realm.
2. in addition to the tremendous leaps and bounds in their still photo cameras (which are now 3 steps ahead of Canon at this point, after Canon drop the ball after the reverse applied in the 1D MK II days), Nikon drops some serious tech advances in the video, and is now equal/ 2 steps ahead in that realm too.
I think it’s pretty obvious who will have more market share. THe shift has been happening already; the temporary video sales Canon has been enjoying is just hiding it…
+1000000000000000000
When the hell will companies make some real advancements? Anyone who is a real photographer should be concerned. Video is awesome, but it should detract for advancing DSLR’s past film’s advantages. a decade later, and It STILL hasn’t happened. Only Phase One and Hasselblad have done any huge improvements beyond Nikon’s high ISO performance. That’s it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise never used film…
what I meant to finish typing was video is awesome, but it should not detract from the advancement of still DSLR technology, and unfrotunately, it already is.
that would be a step in the right direction, but a Goobs said, probably not. Canon’s track record the past few years shows that they would not follow such common sense in product development.
hostility
And the 1D/ 1Ds and 1D/ 1DS Mark II era. They were superior to Nikon’s competing offerings at the time. That’s why it’s so frustrating- how can Nikon make such huge advancements from the D2 series to the D3, and all Canon really did significantly from the 1D/Ds MK II to MK III series increase pixel count and ISO? It’s terrible. All Canon would have needed to do was two things for redemption- make the 1D MKIV FF, and make usable ISO above 6400, and they blew that too. Amazing.
I’m not talking about lenses, I’m talking about camera bodies. Big difference. And good luck if you buy a camera body based only on a few niche lenses produced. And the TS-E lenses aren’t anything that outrageous, and could use some improvements. Try using REAL TS system like a 4X5 camera, then get back to me.
And why the hell would you base your entire opinion on a lens from DPreview? Try using them first, then get back to me. For the record, the 70-200 is an amazing piiece of technology and produces stunning images with the right camera body.
Canon 70-200, that is
“Get real” says the guy who talks about Noink vaporware. Lulz. What are you doing here anyway, insecure about your system choice? :P
Dillusions of Grandure!
Nikon is now bumped down to no. 3 spot. We all knew it would happen. They just don’t understand video. To many people were complaceant to dismiss how serious Sony is about their position and all of it’s heritage.
Does anyone remember Cael Zeiss?!
1D Mark IV is available.
Have some humility and know your limits.
Did any of you people ever shoot film?!
How easily WE forget.
That is on the R&D line-up but in an APS-C and H.
Finally, An inteligent post!
People who don’t use the whole line just don’t know. Proof that experience still couns for something!
Obviously you’re also not an experienced Professional then!
You are very very confussed!
You are very very confussed!
Oh people get a clue…
no worries there.
you musy have missed,forgotten or ignored the 5D Mark II!
You will be Liberated with your new 60D wich will also have HD video capabilities when you are in a bind.
That feature established and held the entire market for multiple generations of G series lovers who bought every edition and finally woke up to see the benefits od DSLR.
Another rare and well thought out educated heartfely comment by someone who isn’t just here to post wishlists,
Some people actually know things…
I keep informing the sites what really coming but it seems like everyone is in denial these days.
My system treats me fine, thank you. And that happens to be CANON. I prefer to keep it that way. But unfortunately, any person who has a GRASP on reality understands what I’m talking about. I am not talking about “vaporware”; i’m talking about cameras that actually exist. Compare specs/ files/ performance of still photos the two year old D3/ D3s to the NEWEST Canon camera- the MK IV. You’ll see what I’m talking about. Then use both cameras for at least a week, and get back to me.
in the future, I would stop making comments that defile your intelligence to someone like me who doesn’t drink the Canon Koolaid, but instead actually SHOOTS photos with Canon cameras, and will tear your so-called knowledge apart; you’ll just look like a bozo…
You mean Carl Ziess? The makers of the finest glass in the business to this day? Yes.
“Don’t understand video.” What are you talking about? Have you ever used any Nikon DSLR’s with HD? If so, please state your findings, and comparisons between them and Canon. PERSONAL experience , not some review you read in a magazine.
Did you read my post? I didn’t say PRESENT models- I said UPCOMING models. Talk to me about Nikon understanding/ not understanding video then…
And who the hell cares about Sony? Until they make a flagship camera that can compete with Canon 1Ds series or the Nikon D3x, they are irrelevant…
if you read my post below about inferiority/ superiority, then you’ll understand. And don’t talk to me about Rebel series cameras- those are for hobbyists. I’m talking about prosumer/ pro cameras- the real stuff.
if you read my post below about inferiority/ superiority, then you’ll understand. And don’t talk to me about Rebel series cameras- those are for hobbyists. I’m talking about prosumer/ pro cameras- the real stuff.
This was supposed to be a reply to a previous comment, not a new one- apologies. THe “Click to cancel reply” tab needs to be relocated on here. :-)
Thanks
It will boomerang back to you