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    Patent: Very small large aperture zoom lens optical formulas

    By Canon RumorsJune 21, 202229 Comments1 Min Read Canon Patents
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    Canon has published a pretty interesting optical design patent for large aperture zoom lenses. The two designs in this patent are pretty interesting.

    Canon's goal in this patent

    To provide a zoom lens having a short total length and a small size but having high optical performance, and an image pickup apparatus having the same.

    As you can see, these lens designs use the “reverse” zoom design like the original EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM. This probably helps in reducing the length and size of the lens. As you can see, the image height changes when zooming in and out.

    Overall length is quite impressive at 105.42mm (about 4″) at the wide end. Keep in mind that those measurements are from the image sensor to the front element of the lens design.

    Example 1

    • Focal length: 28.84mm – 67.90mm
    • F-number: 2.91
    • Half angle of view: 32.68° – 17.67°
    • Image height: 18.50mm – 21.64mm
    • Overall length: 138.40mm – 105.42mm
    • Back focus: 10.97mm – 21.12mm

    Example 2

    • Focal length: 28.84mm – 60.00mm
    • F value: 2.91
    • Half angle of view: 32.68° – 19.83°
    • Image height: 18.50mm – 21.64mm
    • Overall length: 132.38mm – 106.85mm
    • Back focus: 13.47mm – 23.82mm

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    29 comments

    1. neuroanatomist
      June 21, 2022 at 11:40 am
      Looks like non-L f/2.8 zooms. Interesting. Not lenses I’d buy, but interesting nonetheless.
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    2. Bob Howland
      June 21, 2022 at 12:13 pm
      Small and light!? The original 24-70 was big and heavy. At least mine is.
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    3. bbasiaga
      June 21, 2022 at 1:07 pm
      so a 28-60 or 28-70 f2.8 lens? I'd take one compact like that instead of a larger 24-70 2.8.

      -Brian
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    4. mdcmdcmdc
      June 21, 2022 at 1:22 pm
      How does “image height” relate to image circle? Is it the diameter? The radius? Or is it the height of a rectangle with an assumed 3:2 aspect ratio?
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    5. June 21, 2022 at 1:32 pm
      I really liked that the original EF 24-70 L started of at the right end then you could zoom out. It was counter intuitive at first, but for me I used it most frequently at the long end.
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    6. Tom W
      June 21, 2022 at 1:39 pm
      If the image height doesn't cover the full frame sensor, how does Canon propose to accomplish a full image?
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    7. jam05
      June 21, 2022 at 1:49 pm
      So why is this important to the average consumer? Not as if someone is going to manufacture or 3D a lens. Besides it is one of hundreds if not thousands of Canon patents.
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    8. jam05
      June 21, 2022 at 1:50 pm
      Now lets track down the status of those AF tilt shift lenses. Its now going on July, and not a peep and we focus attention on patents. Lets find the testers of those prior mentioned tilt shift lenses. Or one may suspect those were more BS patents and rumor fodder.
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    9. peters
      June 21, 2022 at 2:18 pm
      If the image height doesn't cover the full frame sensor, how does Canon propose to accomplish a full image?
      Maybe a video centered lense, that would work in 16:9 (or maybe only 21:9 or anamorph).
      Such a lense could cover 16:9 in fullframe or the entire image of an S35 area.
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    10. JaydenEricBeaudoin
      June 21, 2022 at 2:47 pm
      Dang, here I was hoping for an f2 trinity lens.
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    11. Bahrd
      June 21, 2022 at 3:00 pm
      How does “image height” relate to image circle? Is it the diameter? The radius?
      The latter: 36² + 24² ~ 43².
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    12. mxwphoto
      June 21, 2022 at 3:30 pm
      This would be Canon pulling a Tamron, 80-90% focal length at much reduced size for given aperture. Probably will not include IS to keep size and weight down if they do come out with it.
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    13. Bonich
      June 21, 2022 at 3:30 pm
      If the image height doesn't cover the full frame sensor, how does Canon propose to accomplish a full image?
      Simple as it is: The image height corresponds with APS sensor size.
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    14. bbasiaga
      June 21, 2022 at 3:35 pm
      If the image height doesn't cover the full frame sensor, how does Canon propose to accomplish a full image?
      I'm guessing that it'll be heavily vignetted without correction in the corners at the wide end. The 24-240 lens, for example, has an image height of ~19mm at 24mm (there were a number of similar patents for that range, all in the upper 18s to lower 19s). It works very well with digital correction, as these likely would.

      -Brian
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    15. efmshark
      June 21, 2022 at 3:39 pm
      RF-S lenses?
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    16. neuroanatomist
      June 21, 2022 at 3:42 pm
      I really liked that the original EF 24-70 L started of at the right end then you could zoom out. It was counter intuitive at first, but for me I used it most frequently at the long end.
      The advantage to that 'reverse' zoom is that the lens hood is effective throughout the zoom range, instead of only at the wide end.
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    17. neuroanatomist
      June 21, 2022 at 3:56 pm
      If the image height doesn't cover the full frame sensor, how does Canon propose to accomplish a full image?
      By stretching the image. The geometric distortion at the wide end is substantial, and correcting that distortion results in the 'missing' (mechanically vignetted) corners being filled in. That geometric correction is forced (in-camera and in DPP) for lenses like the RF 16/2.8, RF 24-240 and RF 14-35/4L.

      There was a recent front page post claiming a new set of patents were APS-C 'pancake' primes, based on an image height of 18.2mm. It turns out that the patented 16/2.8 in that post is not a new APS-C pancake lens, but rather is the existing RF 16mm f/2.8 lens that you can buy today (which isn't a pancake, but the length in the patent is consistent with the length of the production lens).

      Simple as it is: The image height corresponds with APS sensor size.
      The closest is actually APS-H, not APS-C. These are full frame RF lens designs. Consider what we know of Canon – is it more likely they'd make a lens with a larger image circle than necessary, or a smaller image circle than necessary that gets corrected by software (along with forcing that correction in-camera and in DPP)? The latter, of course.
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    18. mdcmdcmdc
      June 21, 2022 at 4:34 pm
      The latter: 36² + 24² ~ 43².
      If image height == radius, it needs to be half that, or 23.6 mm, to cover FF.
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    19. neuroanatomist
      June 21, 2022 at 4:53 pm
      If image height == radius, it needs to be half that, or 23.6 mm, to cover FF.
      Your math is wrong. The diameter of the FF image circle is ~43.2mm, and the image height for a FF image circle is ~21.6mm (not coincidentally, the image height at the longer focal lengths of the lenses in these patents is 21.64mm).
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