Canon EOS R

Report: The next EOS R camera is reported to be undergoing field testing [CR1]

A new report on the series of tubes says that the next EOS R system camera has begun field testing with select Canon photographers. The same report also mentions what we’ve been mentioning for a long while now, that the next EOS R camera will be the high-resolution model with more professional features and somewhat a replacement for the EOS 5DS line of cameras.

Here’s a summary of what we’ve previously heard about high-resolution EOS R camera:

  • A big bump in resolution over the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R to 70+ mp. However, there could also be multiple sensor configurations being used for testing.
  • The joystick makes its first appearance on an EOS R body in place of the touch bar.
  • Dual card slots, one being SD, the other is unknown at this time.
  • Will be announced no later than Q1 of 2020.

The report also claims that this EOS R camera will have something to do with the 2020 Olympics, but we think that’s highly unlikely. A high-resolution model may be desired by a lot of people, but we tend to think that the upcoming EOS-1D X Mark III would make more sense as a big splash for the summer games in Japan.

Canon News also breaks down this latest information about the EOS R system here.

Most probably it is just another camera to buy Canon a bit more of a time to come with some real sensor technology changes. First, 5DIV like sensor, second, 6DII like sensor, next - high res sensor. Would be suprprised, if it would be all new generation of sensors accompained with IBIS, etc.
 

neuroanatomist

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Most probably it is just another camera to buy Canon a bit more of a time to come with some real sensor technology changes.
Canon dominates the ILC market, and has for 16 years and counting. They've had ~50% market share for the past decade, and have that today. Please remind us all why they need to deliver 'some real sensor technology changes'. Note: "Because I wants it, Precious," is not a reason.
 

transpo1

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Canon dominates the ILC market, and has for 16 years and counting. They've had ~50% market share for the past decade, and have that today. Please remind us all why they need to deliver 'some real sensor technology changes'. Note: "Because I wants it, Precious," is not a reason.
To stay competitive and remain first in class with imaging technology. Remember, their tagline is "See Impossible." That slogan doesn't work if they don't advance their tech. ;)
 
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Mt Spokane Photography

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We may be near the point where significant sensor technology changes are unlikely.
It is getting more difficult and expensive to gain a tiny improvement. There are other technologies in development, but who knows if or when they will become practical. Layered sensors can reduce noise and decrease read times, but are difficult to build, and the cost jumps up.

Canon calculates to produce the best tech that meets a target cost. That is why no one picks a price war with them, they can produce cameras with a very profitable margin. I do think that the RP is a exception, they have less profit and are trying to buy market share. Sales of lenses and accessories may make up for the tighter margin on the body.
 

SwissFrank

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We may be near the point where significant sensor technology changes are unlikely.
I dunno, I'm pretty excited about the Canon journal article in the last couple weeks showing how they could get 17 stops dynamic range from a sensor in effect doing HDR exposures. You could shoot a living room scene and actually be able to read the brand name stamped on the light bulbs. After studying the design I believe it'd also do software ND to 9 stops at the timing the article described.
 
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neuroanatomist

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To stay competitive and remain first in class with imaging technology. Remember, their tagline is "See Impossible." That slogan doesn't work if they don't advance their tech. ;)
The market data have shown they don't need 'better' sensors as defined by DxOMark and certain forum dwellers aka DRones. Which manufacturer has the highest megapixel count in a 'mainstream' ILC (i.e. not MF sensors)? Which manufacturers offer DPAF? Oh, wait...by 'advancing their tech', you mean 'advancing it in the way that I personally think they should do.' Hubris?
 
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AlanF

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It would be fantastic if it could be switched between a 75mpx FF and 30mpx crop in true RAW, especially if there were higher fps in crop mode. Then, I could use the in-camera crop mode when I would normally have to crop in FF and have RAW files 60% small than FF. I'd preorder.
 

transpo1

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The market data have shown they don't need 'better' sensors as defined by DxOMark and certain forum dwellers aka DRones. Which manufacturer has the highest megapixel count in a 'mainstream' ILC (i.e. not MF sensors)? Which manufacturers offer DPAF? Oh, wait...by 'advancing their tech', you mean 'advancing it in the way that I personally think they should do.' Hubris?
I meant advancing it so they can manage to get FF 4K video and higher frame rates out of it- something some of their competitors have managed to do. Call me crazy, but selling people on hobbled 4K in their cameras just doesn't seem like a long-term strategy for a company with the tagline "See Impossible."

By the way, DxOMark is run by people, DRones is a person, and even you, I'm assuming, are a person- so we are all just personally expressing our views here. So, yes, me personally and all the other folks who want better FF video performance from Canon- of which there are considerable number. ;)
 
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melgross

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Id like to see something a bit lower, perhaps in the mid to high 50’s. But pixel quality would have to be boosted. They can do that. Their current 51MP sensor is better than the much lower Rez one from the 5Dmk III, but worse than the lower Rez version from the 5Dmk IV, which was newer. That’s now fairly old. With no breakthroughs, I could see that 5Dmk IV pixel quality, or a bit more, in a high 50’s MP sensor.

Other than for the thrill of it, do we really need to go to 70 now? I don’t think so.
 

neuroanatomist

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I meant advancing it so they can manage to get FF 4K video and higher frame rates out of it- something some of their competitors have managed to do. Call me crazy, but selling people on hobbled 4K in their cameras just doesn't seem like a long-term strategy for a company with the tagline "See Impossible."

By the way, DxOMark is run by people, DRones is a person, and even you, I'm assuming, are a person- so we are all just personally expressing our views here. So, yes, me personally and all the other folks who want better FF video performance from Canon- of which there are considerable number. ;)
Thanks for confirming my statement that you define advancement based solely on your personal wants.

Opinion ≠ data. Data = data. People who believe their opinions represent facts deserve to be called crazy.

If the folks who have clamored for more DR or better FF video performance have eschewed Canon, and if those groups comprised a 'considerable number' of people, Canon's market share would have suffered. It hasn't. So either all the DRones and discerning FF ILC videographers are just spouting off here but buying Canon cameras anyway...or what you believe to be a 'considerable number' is, in reality, irrelevant. My money is firmly on the latter. But you go right on inflating the importance of your own opinion...reality hasn't changed it so far.
 
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AlanF

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I think the majority would agree with you, many would like a 5DIV equiv. All the things the 5D has (that the EOS R is missing) and all the new stuff the EOS R brought (EVF, edge to edge auto focus etc). If they had done that and a small bump in MP, that would have been an amazing all around pro camera. But they obviously don't want any overlap to kill the sales on existing dslr cameras which is a super frustrating strategy for existing Canon users.
Precisely what 5D things do you want?
 
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dtaylor

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Most probably it is just another camera to buy Canon a bit more of a time to come with some real sensor technology changes. First, 5DIV like sensor, second, 6DII like sensor, next - high res sensor. Would be suprprised, if it would be all new generation of sensors accompained with IBIS, etc.
I was going to make a "Canon sensor old" post as a joke, given that a 75mp DPAF sensor would clearly be new, only to find that someone else beat me to it with a serious post of this ignorant meme.

You know...I'm done arguing the facts. I'm just going to start resorting to rhetoric...

When is Sony going to stop reusing their old 24mp and 42mp sensors and give us something new? This is why Canon dominates sales! I want a serious stills camera, not a hobbyist video camera with broken 100 Mbps 4k. Canon is going to put their DPAF technology in this camera and if it has DP RAWs I can get an extra stop of highlight detail for a film like look while Sony user's blow their highlights all over the place. That's it: if Canon gives us a new mirrorless sensor while Sony keeps giving us their old sensors I'm switching to Canon.

You know, this might be fun. :LOL:
 
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