*UPDATED* Upcoming Releases [CR3]

Built in flash master is the one thing I really wanted from a new Canon camera.

Well ok, one of the more important things, and somewhat out of left field too.

5d body, pro AF, FF…. my dream spex

Please let it be FF. If we don’t have a new FF with better high ISO I will be waiting for another 12 months with my 5Ds.

Doubt it’s FF. It already said APS-C

CR3 !! Finally

Hooray CR3! Can’t wait for this!

I’m ready to order!!!

Pro-sum AF camera with HD video for under 3k hook me up!!

Hmmmm.. I’m a little surprised that its a 1.6 crop though…

No Toaster ???…move to Nikon…

If this camera is fast, weather sealed and has good AF the birders can finally quit trying to add crop factor to 1D bodies, Let’s see it Canon, make a D300(s) killer, we all know you can

dude….its says APS-C… make sense that they’ll make a speed deamon (D300 competition… at least Im guessing that’s why it has dual digics, especially if it will retain the 15mpx sensor) and then will roll out the good stuff for FF with the 1D series updates and then the 5d mkiii down the road (a 3D isn’t out of the question but probably not in the immidiate future)….

I was hoping this would be APS-H. :( or APS-C @ 12mp.

Most likely this will be priced really near D300s. Around $1700~$1900.

The first post didn’t specify a size – the post was updated to include the 1.6. What a waste of space.

….and a lot of people probably will…. im not one of them since after getting a 5D Im never touching a crop body again (even if I am feeling a little screwed on the tele end of things) but yea, I think with a high speed crop body that hopefully has great AF and video I think Canon will be able to move some serious units…. if I still had my 20D I would have seriously thought about upgrading to this camera but as it were I bought a 50D first and the files from that cam kill APS-C for me (well, the final nail in the coffin was when I saw what my files looked like from the 5D!)

wooooooot. that’s the kind of stuff dreams are made of

Maybe this means that the new 1D will be FF and lower MP. We can only hope. Well at least I have another 6 months to save.

If it can autofocus my 100-400L + 1.4 tc, that would be great. I kinda doubt it, though. I like the built in flash master. That’s a long time comin.

could be canon’s latest and greatest “cold running” CMOS sensors .. which would make a large difference in high ISO ..

now I’m just hoping this sucker isn’t 18Mp :(

With APS-C, there is not advantage over D300s at all…only APS-H makes sense. Canon and Nikon won’t release exactly same-configuration models.

I think introducing an aps-c model in between the xxD and 5dmk2 is a smart move by canon. If canon raised the prices of the xxD line or introduced a cheaper FF it would surely hurt them as 5dmk2s are still high in demand and it would fall a little outside of the price the xxD users usually pay for.
I assume this would be priced around the same as nikon’s d300s? (hoping it would be a little less though) :)
anyways if this is as good as it looks it would be my next camera!

THIS is more like it CR3!!!

Something is definitely coming soon. Sept 1st?!

They are most likely waiting for the 1D Mark IV for the DIGIC V processor that will make the Mark IV an amazinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg camera!

I agree with this. This is to the 5DII what the D300 is to the D700, perhaps.

Seems to be definitely trying to compete more with the D300 (the XXD series is actually a step under the D300, but it keeps getting compared to it – which sorta makes Canon look bad).

Sad it’s not aps-h

Never done birding with flash ?

Yesterday’s rumor that it’s 18mp has got to be wrong. Cant’ squeeze that much juice out of an aps-c

Okay, if they make the 7D a 1.6 crop then I am totally lost on how Canon is doing their naming convention!?!? Can someone explain it to me?

xxD 1.6 prosumer

xxxD 1.6 consumer

xD FF pro

A 7D with FF will blow this naming scheme…

This will be a great camera with a huge market.

My only disappointment is not having the new Digic V processor; it seems we’ll have to wait until 2010 for that.

People will go for the speed, the video. And let’s not forget that many people with lenses for crop cameras will be able to buy this cam w/out buying all new lenses.

Once this is released it will be interesting to see how the video people react to it…if it becomes the next must have video capable dslr, like the 5dmkii.

Maybe the naming convention is:

xxxD 1.6 consumer

xxD 1.6 prosumer

xD high end prosumer (includes 5D2 prosumer FF and 7D prosumer 1.6)

1D pro (includes 1DS3 pro FF amd 1D3 pro 1.3)

darn, i wish it has articulating screen for video.

geez, dual Digic 4 is still not good enough?

Oh it’s pretty cool, no doubt.

But after all of the wish lists in the rumor dept, I got spoiled :)

the master on camera is doing it for me!! hopefully better high iso than the 40D, same speed is good for me 6fps is plenty. but the canon cls thing is looking rad!

I wanted this to be FF but daaaaaaamn, this sure is tempting. It’ll all depend on the price though, I might have to sell off a few things to get this and just get a used 5D for something FF. If this was FF though I’d beg/borrow/steal to get it.

just bought my 10-22 prior to encountering this rumor. and finaly… its an aps-c! huray! i could have been very disapointed!

Not all the 1D flavors are full frame . . .

but DSLR is not meant for full time videographer, DSLR with video is just an added feature. Get a real video camera if video is your thing.

If its priced at D300s levels and its APS-C i’m sticking to the xxD line or the 5D.

i lol’d at canon cls

I’ve been holding off buying a new camera while we waited for these rumors to work themselves out, but if this version is correct, I’m not interested in the 7D. I want FF. I think I’ll go with a 5D Mark II. The 7D’s built-in Flash Master is nice, though.

maybe they called this APS-C camera as 7D because they are running out of numbers on the xxD camera. future upgrades will then be 7D MKx

As always, Canon disappoints me. But I’ve known Canon for years, hence it won’t release a cheap FF camera. If this is well-priced ($1900 I think expensive), surely this is a great movement. At least users from xxD would upgrade to this line and tempts more of xxxD line too before they want to upgrade to FF.

yeah… it looks like the only alternative for the upgrade for all current APS-C owners is to get a 5DmII…

1.6 and $2700? Something isn’t adding up.

Exactly. Although the xxD line is a step below the d300 it is still relatively comparable. which gives me high hopes for the 7d to really outperform the d300/d300s finally.

other rumor said 144 mil reasons almost points at 12fps and 12MP?? But 12MP would give back some of the reach advantage of the 50D.

anyway a D300S killer for sure, but if nikon has a d700x soon, that will spank this to pieces….

From Canon’s point of view, 5D MkII is a CHEAP FF body. XD

I think you didnt get the hole thing. DSLR is interesting in video for two things: The sensor and the lenses. And this mean a lot. Now you can get a kit, ready to shoot (and upgradeable), out of the box for under 5G. A Sony EX1 or EX3 cost more then 7G and this is without the 35mm adaptor to play with DoF. The 5D MKII get you amazing video quality with now the opportunity to shoot full manual and use good quality lenses with a film look without paying 15 000$.
That’s the point of video in DSLR

hahahaha we have to call stuff by what they are dont we?

I was hoping for a 16mp FF. Another missed opportunity by Canon. Even a 1.3 crop would have been better. Your not going to get good high ISO with a 15mp 1.6 crop.

Canon just had to release this camera to screw up DPReview’s Canon forum’s naming. Now 7D has to go with xxD due to 1.6 crop.

Having an internal flash controller is at least a step forward for Canon.

Lol @this. I wonder if they are going to take 5d out of 1ds/1d group and place it with 7d in another section. xxxD and xxD lines stay the same.

Does anyone think Nikon sends out overly optimistic rumor specs to the sites so that everyone expects the moon and then ends up bitterly disappointed in the end?

Looks like a great spec to me, providing dynamic range and noise at high iso are improved. With the dual digic processor and built in flash transmitter (if that is true) and partial weather sealing, the 7D will be quite a leap from the current 50D in terms of speed and important features and will be hard to beat with any newer development…

So, I would think the product cycle would be longer (2+ years) as oppose to the xxD 1 year product cycle.
I dont know but it seems logical for me, so that canon can spend time more on R&D rather for their newer camera later on in the future.

It’s like this:

1D/1Ds = Pro

xD = Prosumer / Special req

xxD = Enthusiast

xxxD = Consumer

xxxxD = Entry-level / Compact replacement.

Looking at it mostly from a video point of view, this camera looks very interesting. 1.6 crop is fine for video work. Full frame is a bit of an overkill. I wonder what they have planned (video-wise) with the dual digics. I’m pretty sure I’ll be purchasing this camera.

It’s called an external monitor. Hook it up to the video-out port.

i am absolutely with u

doubt it’s not a crop. whish it was FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I was right. It’s not APS-H. I said either FF or APS-C. hehe

aps-c version of 1D…

1DsIII vs D3X
5DII vs d700
7D vs d300s
50D vs d90
500d vs d5000
1000d vs d3000

than xxD will back to 1.5 years life

But bet you’ll have a direct print button! (and even maybe using bluetooth…)

don’t 144 mil reasons mean dual digic IV (or maybe V)?

Yipppe… finally a D300s competitor after so long.

Woohoo….

And a telephoto macro lens with HIS.

Canon has truly locked me into their system. :D

that will be the next update from Nikon when canon still trying to protect its market segmentation policy.

If Canon is smart, they should bring the weight of the 60D down to the same level as Nikon D90. Then they’ll be able to take on their biggest competitor head-on.

Right on. They just need to improve on the sensor quality of the updates to the 50D/500D/1000D, and they’ll be able to dance on the grave of their biggest competitor.

LOL

Goodbye

People just want more of everything bigger. LOL.

Seriously, the 1.3 crop factor is totally limiting unless Canon releases an EF 12-24 f/4 lens.

They are thinking of taking on the D300s head on.

Better still, ALL 19 AF points are crossed, extra sensitive from f/4 onwards and capable of AF at f/8. Just like the 1D3

One can only hope

The D300s is NOT full weather sealed. In fact, it’s almost the same as the 50D.

the 40D is an amazing camera, as well as the 50D in that respect… it is a very respectable camera.
However, this camera would be canon’s answer for D300 that nikon has. I doubt that the upcoming 60D would have the same feature as the 7D in terms of speed and built (if the 7D has partial weather seal)

I have tried the 50D, and by all means the noise is very usable up to ISO 3200, but the 50D is not that much of a leap from the 40D whereas the 7D will to both.

I just hope that the 7D would have a greater noise control at high ISO and have the same amazing picture quality as the 5dmII (I have to admit that FF is amazing and no wonder everyone here is really upset that the 7D is crop).

As I use 50 1.4 most of the time with 10-22 so the 7D is very logical move for me. I hope that canon will ship it with the 24-105 or 24-70 (finger crossed)

APS-C is 15mm X 22.5mm (337.5 mm^2), APS-H is 18.5 X 27.7mm (512.45 mm^2). So The APS-H is 50% bigger than the APS-C. Assuming everything else is equal,including total pixel count, the APS-H will have at least twice less noise than the APS-H. Also since it is 23% larger in the length and width. It have less demand on the resolution of the lens. That is why the 1D is always APS-H. Canon Has been making the most (best) out of the situation for its second most expensive DSLR. I have not yet get into the limitation due the the law of physics yet.
By the way,I am down on the 1.6 crop factor. I am down on the 15 mp sensor with 1.6 crop factor. Under this condition, even the Canon L lens will not have enough resolution to handle it. Also the law of physic for the image start to be unsharp at opening less than f. 6.3.
I am still using a 20D now. Since it is a 10 mp sensor, the above problem can hardly affect me. Even now, a lot of the camera test site is still using the 20D as a yard stick for noise. I like the feature of the 50D. If it had a sensor with only 10 mp, I could have brought it already. This shows you that I am down on APS-C in general.

what if it was free?

built in flash master means that one can trigger external flash even though it is not attached to the camera hot shoe mount. Should be applicable to any external canon speedlite (not the 270EX though)

I see a great camera here, but why is everybody complaining?!
First, what’s the problem with the name? 7D? if I have a million reasons to buy it, I would called it 1.000.000D!
What’s wrong about the cropping factor?
It was clear that a “replacement” camera to the 50D should be out in the market. Adding just video to the 50D and call it 60D would be a st.pid move. Then, add it pro features and call it 7D and compete with the best of Nikon’s brand new D300s.
Now wait for the D700x (anytime soon, probably before the year ends), and call it 3D or 1DsMIV…
Clearly it is marketing.

I’m in with this camera, if the price is not too high.

maybe that is it is fits with the other rumors about 18MP and 8fps, which just got reversed when the people couldnt believe 8MP and 18fps and reversed it just like people always go ‘correct’ the spelling of my name on documents.

The comments on the forum thread are a little less on the complaining side for those who want to go there…

You can always use the 16-35 L f2.8. With a crop factor of 1.3, that will give you 21 to 45mm. Hope that is wide enough for you.

APS-C is 15mm X 22.5mm (337.5 mm^2), APS-H is 18.5 X 27.7mm (512.45 mm^2). So The APS-H is 50% bigger than the APS-C. Assuming everything else is equal,including total pixel count, the APS-H will have at least twice less noise than the APS-H. Also since it is 23% larger in the length and width. It have less demand on the resolution of the lens. That is why the 1D is always APS-H. Canon Has been making the most (best) out of the situation for its second most expensive DSLR. I have not yet get into the limitation due the the law of physics yet.
By the way,I am down on the 1.6 crop factor. I am down on the 15 mp sensor with 1.6 crop factor. Under this condition, even the Canon L lens will not have enough resolution to handle it. Also the law of physic for the image start to be unsharp at opening less than f. 6.3.
I am still using a 20D now. Since it is a 10 mp sensor, the above problem can hardly affect me. Even now, a lot of the camera test site is still using the 20D as a yard stick for noise. I like the feature of the 50D. If it had a sensor with only 10 mp, I could have brought it already. This shows you that I am down on APS-C in general.

I agree with the post saying that xxD users will be dissapointed with the price. I think it will be priced around $2500 following the best buy rumour….This will be too expensive for those looking to upgrade from the 50D. And i think there are alot of those users out there.

There should be a new 60D in spring, for those who want to upgrade.

you mean there’s less whining about a camera that hasn’t been released or even announced yet? cool…

APS-H is dead.

And now xD too.

Sure it’s better for shallow DOF, so is a fast lens, but how much do you need? A 1.8 crop sensor is almost exactly the same size as the sensor in the Red One. There are many pro video/film guys who feel that’s enough. The only benefit I care about in FF with video is better low light sensitivity.

Photography is another story.

Didn’t Best Buy get the prices of the P&S cameras all wrong? They got the models right, but not the prices. So, the Best Buy price for 7D might also be wrong (let’s hope)…

How about a 12-foot pole?

7D as the specs about Nikon D300s ???

Well I’m disappointed….
If this was an APS-H I think I would get it.
I was hoping/wanting/needing a FF with realistic resolution,
pro AF and weather sealing.

I guess that leaves 1D4 & the 3D as my last hopes

Exactly.
+1e6

I’m ecstatic it’s going to be APS-C!!!

The 20D is 8MP, not 10.

some how I told you…. But i cannot say that Im not disapointed my self.. :\

an arm or a leg.

I guess we have to wait and see.

How many times are you going to post this??

or maybe in ten years. till then i still have a eos-3 with the problems of having no place to make good enlagements :-)

or maybe a 18/3 foveon-style aps-c at 8 fps :-) = 6mpix image files

i want moar 144m reason calculations :-)

Told ya it’s canon and Canon don’t listen to us :D.

If the 7D is APS-C and is close the D700 price-wise, then Japan Govt. will have to intervene! LOL!

The D300s is partially sealed. It’ll handle rain coming down just fine but it is poorly sealed at the base. The two weak spots are the battery compartment lid and the card slot door.

ST-E2 is just ETTL, not ETTL2, so it’s not compatible with 5D mark2 (all flash custom functions in camera are disabled).

Unfortunately, the market of photographers like yourself is small compared to the vast majority of APS-C shooters. ;)

“The 7D rumor started way back in January. The specs are off, but the concept of the camera has been correct.”

If the concept rumored in January is indeed correct, then the “xxD” moniker is going away. So, there should not be any 60D, right?

Obviously, Javier has not read or unable to find my previous reading. so I post it again for him. Sorry.

Agree.. Hope the camera is capable of AF at f/8.

Think of it as a half-price 1D3 and it will make more sense.

Nah, “advanced amateur” cameras belong to xxD. The xD line is for pro and semi-pro cameras. The sensor size does not really come into it. It’s the weather sealing, the extra card slots, the “pro” autofocus, the build quality, the speed, the features like the new built-in flash commander, etc.

The real question is will there ever be an advanced amateur FF “xxDs” body? (One card slot, no flash commander, slower speed, no weather sealing, previous generation sensor, etc.) The 7D is a sign that Canon may be making room for such a model by introducing features that will also be on the next 5D3 to lift it clearly above any FF “xxDs” model. Then the FF “xxDs” can make its appearance alongside the usual (and cheaper) APS-C “xxD”.

1Ds -> 5D -> 60Ds
1D -> 7D -> 60D

Those sequences then merge at the “xxxD” line. We might have to wait for a 70D/70Ds pairing, though.

Actually the 20D is 8MP, the 40D is 10.1, which I think is nearly perfect for a 1.6x crop camera, 12MP is probably the sweet spot, especially if it lets you get 10+ FPS. The 50D has shown that 15MP is a little too many dots on such a small plate.

hey com one! i love it this way! besides, not every body want to join the forum >_>

I dont’t believe this.
18MP on APS-C is very bad!

There will be NO 7D in 2009!

Shut up your boring fool.

That’s as true as the day. Why bother with a 60D when it seems this camera will already be Canons top APS-C camera? Bizarre. This should have been named 60D. Why 7D, it’s ridiculous.

Canon will be offering standard ISO between 100-6400 with a boost to 12,800. I hardly think they would release a new camera/sensor with really poor noise performance.

haha, dream on. Canon will never make the 5D Mark III into a 100% VF, and unless the 1D series gets a new AF system, I don’t expect we will see 45 points in 5D Mark III anytime soon.

I’m thinking same thing. 12MP x 12fps = 144 million reasons. Canon seems to be smartening up on lowering pixel density these days (see G11). This would be the perfect camera to compete with the D300S. Anything above 12MP on a 1.6 crop is for marketing reasons only.

You are the most witty person I have ever seen on this website.

Actually no, you’re not. But you are the most pathetic.

Built-in flash master, What I have been waiting for hopelessly

Very good news indeed if it’s true

I don’t believe this…
is it FF, if it’s true, upload a pdf file and give us link…

Thanks for an update. This just confirms I should have bought Nikon D300 a long time ago. I am sick of this APS-C cr*p from Canon. I bet it will cost £1500 in high street and will do nothing better than 40D with 24-70L, 17-40L and other standard to wide lenses. Small viewfinder is a real PITA.

… * waits for a the price of 1D mk3 (or 1Ds mk2) to go down * …

Die APS-H, DIE!!!

Now, the birder and sport photog will have their fast crop camera. May the next 1D be FF!

“Should of done”? Don’t you mean “should have done”? Since when has the word “of” been an acceptable replacement for the word “have”? Good thing your post was anonymous so you can’t be named and shamed for such idiocy.

You are looking at the PDF spec released over a month ago, which was released on this website. We all saw that. Don’t pretend it is exclusive to you, or that you know for sure it is the definitive spec. Put up, or shut up.

That post should be given its own piece on this website and classified as CR-5 (note negative 5).

I own a 40D and agree with you about 10.1MP being perfect for 1.6x crop. I just can’t imagine a 1.6x cropper costing $2700, which is what Best Buy had it listed at in their database.

For me the timing is wrong. The 40D is my “outdoor camera” with the 5D performing indoor duties. Since indoor shooting predominates in the winter, I was hoping to replace my 5D now and the 40D next spring. No such luck!

All I know is that the Best Buy had the G11 listed for $599 and the Canon MSRP is $499.

This looks great. I was looking to step up from my 400D and waiting for the 60D to be released. I have EF-S long and ultrawide angle lenses for surf and wildlife photography. The APS-C is great! it means I don’t have to drop a load of money on rediculous L long L primes.

Definitely glad it’s not APS-H, I will make the step to FF sometime, but to me (and i’m sure a lot of other APS-C users) APS-H is not a sensible option.

I’m almost definitely getting the 7D. I better wasn the bank manager!!!

Get a life and start taking some photos. You are not the grammer police.

Yet another worthless comment.

I’m not putting up a PDF… just remember my post on 1st Sept… Whether you believe me or not, I don’t really care.

+1

Indeed!

But it depends what you want to say.

I wanted to talk about pixel density, and having some numbers easily adaptable to compare different pixel density from different sensors is a différent purpose of “Let’s calculate unrealistic sensors”.

1.6 and 1.3 crop factor are “physical distance ratio” of the diagonals of the sensors (FF diagonal / APS-C diagonal) = 1.6 Everithing is linked the solid angle of the field covered (take a look at the tech spec of your lenses), and the reference (because you always need one) is 24×36 equivalent image size. So yes you can use ratio and simple pythagore theorem rules to scale up MP.

But keep in mind that all the calculation you have made in your post are for a given, and constant, pixel density…And a pixel density is not physically related to sensors size (Many different size sensors can have the same pixel density).

So if you want to compare pixel density…you have to calculate it from the sensors sizes. And sensor crop is only a last resort for calculus if you don’t know the size of the APS-C of your brand, but know the Aspect ratio of the picture (3/2 for canon)…

Tricks don’t replace Science all the time !

With the price of L lenses going up fast, you can as well sell em off and switch to Nikon d700

I hadn’t read it and appreciated his contribution.

Yours, less so.

I’m sorry, what size sensor is the D300? Unless you meant the D3, the D300 is also an APS-C sensor, or “cr*p” as you elegantly put it. enjoy your nikon

You lost me after, “Indeed!”.

I’m pretty sure back in the film days 35mm was considered puny and was a sign saying “I will never reach the stage where I will be able to afford/justify a Hassy CM500 or shoot on silver gelatin”

… so get off your high horse

I’m pretty sure the 7D is not designed for 1D owners to trade in for. you’ll just have to wait another 6 months (or 12, who knows) to get the new 1D series camera. sucks but unless your camera’s broken or you suddenly need to print at large sizes I think you can survive the wait. it is frustrating when you know its possible to make your perfect camera but it just doesn’t exist on the market

Don’t let the door….

Like the previous poster said – the EF-S 10-22.

Could your nose be any higher in the air?

Snot.

+1

where does it say 18mp?

I wish that is what the 7D would be. A small, consumer FF.

This looks like a follow up to the 5d’s success in the video market. A sensor size matching motion picture film, 2 processors to handle the data… I can’t wait to see this thing!

Hopefully the FF fans will get theirs in the near future.

Ridiculous L glass… you clearly never used them…

Try them and you will realize that the EF-S is ridiculous.

news from sony…

Sony unveiled today its second full-frame digital SLR in the shape of DSLR-A850. It offers almost all features of the company’s flagship full frame DSLR A900, but at a more affordable price. It is built around the same 24.6MP CMOS sensor and incorporates A900’s 3.0 inch 921k LCD, sensor-shift image-stabilization and Dual Bionz processors. The only compromise is a 98% viewfinder coverage against A900’s 100% and slower continuous shooting. To complement the A850, Sony has also announced a mid-priced 28-75mm constant F2.8 SAM lens to fit with the A850’s affordable full-frame ethos. The A850 will start shipping from September 2009 with the 28-75mm lens available from November 2009.

An L class EF-S? Over my dead body.

Hopefully the 7D will have the same manual controls for video that the 5D Mark II has with the 1.1 firmware.

John,

what pdf do you mean? It looks liked I’ve missed something.

Fine, we’ll play along and wait.

But if you’re so sure about the PDF you have, at least tell us something about the sensor size so we can stop speculating over it.

That is, IF your info is correct as opposed to the CR3 source’s.

Just curious. Are all pixels the same size? Are you talking about photosites? Are they all the same size? What’s to stop them from making a smaller photosites and wouldn’t that make such attempts to calculate pixel density meanless?

+1 there’s already the 28-135 IS lens so why the 18 – 135 unless these are EF-S lenses.

Who cares about Sony..their high ISO sucks…lenses sucks too.

Sony just announced the A850 24 MP FF for $2000.

Canon has obviously gone a different direction, but until we know MP/fps/price of the 7D it’s really hard to say.

i agree with u – but they introducing the 28-75mm F2.8 SAM and we will have the brand new 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM – it is not on the top of my wish list

If the 7D is a high end 1.6x cropper and Canon is introducing a 15-85 (presumably) EF-S, why did Best Buy show a kit with a 28-135 EF lens for the 7D?

Something’s not right here!

that would make sense, though I have to say I’d miss the 15 MP image from the 50D. Not sure my clients would accept 12 MP images when I’m giving them mostly 21 MP images now. But the video I can use, and this would make a great wildlife camera.

Canon need paracetamol again

Maybe one of the new lenses is a special “movie” lens with provisions for faster contrast AF (which apparently requires an extension of the EF lens protocol), and additional features like a stepless aperture and extra silent USM and/or IS?

Would make a lot of sense given that with Canon’s current video DSLRs you are effectively left with manual focus as you can forget about contrast AF. And if these lenses were also actively supported by the 500D, you have your Panasonic GH1 killer.

3fps? No thanks.

i dont think they care to much about the gh1…

yeah, I agree. Lets hope this means that Nikon will reduce the price of the D300s, release a D700s at $2k (essentially with D300s features; dual card, 98% viewfinder) and D700x (next year at between D700 original price and D3 pricing).

And I wonder if Exmor R (or backlit sensor) will ended up in future Nikon DSLRs

Ugh, being stuck behind the body is the one big annoying thing about shooting with the 5D2. Gimme a flip out like the XH G1 and I’ll be much happier.

Quit yawning and go back to sleep. No one is interested in your comments here.

I would love to see it…if it works. With the fast frame rate it may be possible. The software would also be pretty hard to get right as well.

A 15-85 is roughtly equivalent to 28-135 on APS-C.

Thanks for correcting the mistake. 20D is 8 mp.

The sub-$2K sony is 3.something fps. Essentially, it’s the a900, but a bit slower and slightly smaller coverage in the VF. It also doesn’t have video. So, the 5Dmkii gives you better high ISO above 800 and video (and lens choice). Sony has the basic lenses you need, plus sensor IS, some killer DR and $700 cheaper (list, not street).

Hopefully it puts some downward pressure on the 5D

Natural selection by survival of the fittest via product evolution. APS-H was an evolutionary link, but it’s days are coming to an end. It’s FF and APS-C for next few years until the FF sensors can really do dynamic crop so well no one will want APS-C either.

That’s the problem with APS-H, it will never be a Nikon killer because of the dedicated crop lenses. If it was the old days with no DX or EF-S glass APS-H would be a better choice than APS-C because the loss of wide angle would be even more on APS-C. But this isn’t the case so APS-C wins, APS-H is dead.

those lenses look like nice ranges!

But will the 7D have a direct print button?

No direct print button, it has a mic for voice activated print commands. “7d print now”, then the camera says okay, but u don’t have the right drivers for the printer, then says go to hell.

The extra processor may have more to do with the video function. A lot of power is needed to read the data from the sensor; otherwise, you get jello-like skew.

if cam is indeed for wildlife- and sportshooters it really should be at least 1.3x crop. otherwise canon can continue the xxd-series as it was

Grammar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar

Grammer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Grammer

stepless aperture would be nice.

faster hill climbing / contrast AF doesn’t require lens changes.

I am honestly sickened to my stomach after I read your post.

If Canon really squeezed all those 18 MP into an APS-C (NOT APS-H) sensor, I will dump most if not all my Canon gear and switch camp.

As it is, ALL Canon sensors are inferior to Nikon ones in terms of dynamic range at low ISO and chroma noise. So, there’s little reason to stay and increasing the pixel density will potentially render the whole Canon situation worse.

a L Lens for “the new Hybrid System” ?

What does it mean ? micro APS-C format from Canon ?

zyx: Hybrid is referring to the new IS system, not a camera system…

Yeah, it is is priced around $1,300 I think I’m doing the happy dance.

I’d like to know what the thing is actually going to cost. Part of me says they are going to price it $100 above the d300s and list it at $1899. BUT, I would like it to be lower than this. A CR3 out there, could you please stand up haha.

Say it ain’t so.
If it’s the same tired APS-C 15Mpixel sensor super processed once again to remove hide more noise, I’m leaving!

If APS-C doesn’t make sense, why would APS-H make sense? The exact same arguments would hold, just to a somewhat lesser magnitude.

You mean like they did with the 50D ???

No. That’s the thing – the market perceives the xxD as a bigger Rebel, not as a high end model.

They do need the rebranding if they will charge more.

These are very believable actually.

The Camera is in the same class as the D300 – except that it arrives two years later. So it needs to best the Nikon somehow.

I guess they chose the megapixels again.

Nothing wrong with the extra resolution if the ISO/noise is good enough.

+1

LOL

thanks for coming

5D is 50% more than 1800… yo could almost get a kit with 24-105 for the same price as the 5D II body…

16mm and 21mm are a big difference, and you can’t regain the lost wide without dedicated lenses.

1D4 will probably be the fast FF

until the 1D4

What’s the info on the new lenses? Are these EF-S or EF lenses? I hope they’re EF lenses so that I could forget the entire EF-S Lineup. :)

Yeah this announcement from Sony will really attract a lot of people to their camp. If only Sony units are not hard to find and the accessories plentiful in my country I would have gone Sony.

With the A850 rumors way back, I was hoping Canon would release at least a new 1.3x body.

My guess is EF-S. 15-85mm IS will be the kit lens with the 7D.

ah .. to hell with a rebel FF..

I think most first time SLR buyers won’t necessarily give a rat’s ass about FF vs crop.

Don’t listen to Pete. Your plant pictures are very pretty.

Absolutely Joe.

It will be more like ‘heres a camera with 3fps and low end autofocus’ , and ‘here is a camera with high end autofocus and high frame rate for sports shooting’.

Guess which one mr Jones will pick to shoot little league soccer?

Full Frame/Crop is irrelevant to most peoples use, including a lot of the people posting on here.

First time dslr buyers with a bit of cash will care about FF. $600-$700 price range will not. Not everyone who comes into a dslr world has a budget of a student. As simple as that.

Which part? His boring comment, or his poor speeling and grammar?

Guys, check this out

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=0013803086706

it is said to have the spec as below

-12mp
-5fps,Up to 21 RAW files
-dust removing system
-15-point TTL CMOS sensor
-Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
-96% frame coverage
-Magnification: 0.71x
-3.0 ” 640×480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
-ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
-DIGIC III, 14-bit
-Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
-Live View Mode
-The Body Is Much Identical to 5D, Could Share The Handgrip
-Surprisingly cheap, US: $ 1,899

Totally different rumor, isn’t it?

+1 Nostradamus

Then there is only a wide engle needet. Nothing more.

Nikon call it the super duper DX-Format. AND its´1.5 not 1.6!!!!!!!!!!!!! lulz

well the mechanical bits need to move fast too (but some think this might get around this for the mirror at least).

second adding another chip usualyl doesn’t double the output rate, sometimes it gets close, but for canon cameras they usually get about 50% out of the secnd chip so try 6.3 * 1.5

This would be boring…

“Bayonet Ring Kit For The PowerShot G9” ???

Specs are nonsense.

Too many.

From people who dont actually take photographs judging buy most of them.

FF doesnt make your photographs better, it isnt a panacea of photography.

Its simply , due to shallower DOF gives a different effect.

Larger photosites can lead to better noise characteristics, but that isnt down to full frame, merely pizel density.

Sometimes, higher pixel density of a crop camera is more useful (field sports, wildlife to name two).

In short, for most people , it IS irrelevant hwat size the sensor is.

And for some, getting a full frame camera will be a dissapointment.
Berause apart from more misfocus when they didnt anticipate how shallow F2.8 dof actuallly is at 20 feet, their images wont change much.

Now ask me why I just had the IS for my 28-135 replaced?

28-135 itself needs updating, but the step Canon’s taking is a bit misguided. No USM? I’ll be stuck with this clunker for a while.

Sure, that’s why I am hanging on to my beloved canon L’s and primes. But at some point, I am looking to replace my trusty 40D for a nice FF to get back to my film days (EOS 3, Elan IIe etc.). I guess I could buy a 5DII. But with all my money went to some nice canon lenses, I can’t afford it right now. That is why I am looking to grab any kinda of affordabale (<2k) FF from canon. Looks like I am in for a long wait!

Buy a used 5D – still a fantastic camera.

I used a Film camera last weekend, as I do most weekends, an EOS 3.

Thanks for asking.

I also use a 5D and a 40D.

Each has its uses, one is not better than another, they are just suited to different styles of photography.

pete, please calm down. Do you feel insecure or something?
You should go out, meet some friends, … or watch a Bollywood movie :)

Frankly, I’d rather let the people decide for themselves regarding what is it they really want or need or should buy. I simply can’t understand how you can disregard all the debate about an affordable FF which is going on right now. Bottom line is – some brands offer it while others don’t. Disregarding all alternatives from other brands we have these days, as well as several years of tech development and spending money on a two generations old body (still good, no doubt) like Joe suggests – that might not be a valid alternative for many on this board.

It’s a “Backlit” sensor!!!!!!

strong lens line up but sucks at quality.

I Love pete’s comment. 555

It’s not a “Backlit” sensor!!!!!!

But, i just find it so out of place in this camera, i mean, if that spec list its true, its main market would be sport shooters. And the canon Flash Master feels a little more studio-related.

Anyways, looks like a good camera, and with that dual DIGIC im thinking great JPEGs and depending on the megapixels an infinite buffer for JPEGs and very high buffer for RAW files. Now that i think of it PHOTOJOURNALISM is the middle name of this 7D camera.

Sounds like a nice apc cam. Wont be buyin one since i hate 1.6 crop. A 1.3 would have been tempting as a second cam.

Sounds pretty sweet anywayPr

So what if I do? Do you have a problem with that, Joe?

Brave guy… for an anonymous poster, that is.

I wouldn’t know – I only use L lenses so I don’t know any different. I wouldn’t lower myself to use anything else. My time is precious so if I’m going to spend it taking pictures, I want the best lenses.

It’s a fair point you make.

Canon should discontinue the EF-S line.

Sorry, but my 70-200 f2.8L wipes the floor with that. And so will its imminent replacement with the new IS technology.

Colourblind, eh?

Joke.

Sony are progressing at a faster rate than Canon. The gap is decreasing all the time.

You’d make a fortune as a stand up comedian. I’ve never come across such originality.

@ CR Guy

By the way: If it becomes true … great job! thx.

What if it has the fastest fps ever seen in an SLR?

Yeah totally! Probably EF-S given the 7D is APS-C it makes sense to announce some new EF-S glass. But I want the EF version, lol.

1D Mk III already have a cropped sensor, why shouldn’t 7D?

I understand : you mean like the playstation 3 during its first year? To produce a small number of items, to let people think it is a total success.

I dont know. Maybe Canon is having issue with the last-gen sensor fab.
G11 and SX90 sensors are produced by Sony.

Canon’s marketing dept. knows that switching systems is a hard decision for Pro. Instead the Pros wouldn’t mind spending more to stay with the system they are used to.

Will you send me your Minolta… please :)

-1

May be….but any other options ? To me, 24-105 f/4, 70-200 f/4 IS and 85mm 1.8 are the lenses making me to stick to canon

fanboyism much?

exactly!

the 7D needs to beat or at least fully match the D300s – otherwise I’ll switch.

F#¤%”#R/&%…

I feel I’ve been waiting for 1D mkIV for ages. Now it looks like I’m going to wait 6 more months. :(

Canon needs Vitamin C… or something stronger, like Viagra :)

Hmm, it all fits together now:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/10/canon-eos-1di/
18fps (not MP) and 8MP (not fps) for 144 million reasons to want one. With this technology, it would justify the price. Also, 8MP is about 4 pixels per 1 1080HD pixel.

Summary of what it says:
-8.2 MP
-22 fps
-APS-C
-electronic mirror
-to turn it on/off near immediately
-have standard AF and liveview
-have standard AF and video!
-45 AF points including 19 high-precision cross-type points and 26 Assist AF points
-low-light sensitivity of the new AF sensor has been doubled to EV-1
-amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25 and a highly usable ISO 12800
-MSRP of $2999 for the end of last year

I want this camera! Is this the 7D? (Fingers crossed, now the next 5 days are going to seem even longer.)

Thanks to the rrcphoto on the dpreview forums for the re-find.

What a big disappointment….

This is like 4chan.org, but for camera nerds…

I meant SLR of course. So what really happens today somehow really sucks, do not tell me, one could not produce affordable FF-DSLR’s as it was back then with film. There was cheaper and more expensive gear on display. But all FF and everyone came to choose according to one’s economy.

What planet are you from? Only the recent 12 MP APS-C sensor in the D300s/D90/D5000 is worth raving about. ANY Nikon DSLR before the dawn of the D3/D300 era is not worth talking about.

But admittedly that Nikon 12 MP APS-C CMOS sensor is quite something. It has even better dynamic range than Canon’s FF sensor. Unbelievable.

On the other hand, Canon needs to address non-uniform color sensitivity (which leads to chroma noise) as well as on-board electronics noise (which leads to poor dynamic range at low ISO) in their sensors.

Hopefully Canon is offering a camera that will compete against both the Nikon D300 and D700. So, priced a little over $2000 to account for a full frame premium (which is not a big deal any more), around the same res as the 5D for big, fast, low-noise pixels, an improved autofocus system, and with max frame rate of 8 – 10 fps, which should be lower than an upcoming 1dIV. Video is a de facto feature now on all cameras, so not really a feature. I think that the MP count will be from 12 to 14 MP so canon can differentiate performance vs. ultimate image size so the camera does not compete with the 5DII.

MOOOOARRRRRRR…… oh wait.

Erase Nikon ? Lol, i guess you don’t realise that canon is chasing nikon.

Good god.

What a piece of work.

Ummm, wrong the D700 is a better SLR than the 5D – the AF on the D700 works.

Sounds like the 7D will be able to focus too. What’s up with that Canon?

I wonder why everyone takes Best Buy price quote at face value – they always add crazy markup to photo equipment. If Best Buy sells something for $2,700, chances are you can find it at B&H for about $2,000.

I call Poe on this guy.

Those 18MP could be a integer downsampling (like 3:1) to FullHD … So it could be the first DSLR that omits line skipping and uses the full sensor (or the 16:9 part of it) for Video.

Regards, Matt

It has begun…

The direct print button revolution

Full frame makes buying lenses worth it, if you want to get more umph from your lens get more megapixels, go into photoshop and crop the image, it will be the same effect as using an aps-c sensor. There you go “zoom”

huh? I was referring to the 50d`s high iso noise performance which is worse than that of the 40d.

I’m appreciating mine more every day.

Speed and size are NEVER just a plus…..lol, it’s the ONLY thing that matters!! Oh, you’re talking about a camera… , then I agree with the low noise performance too.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

There is a rumor saying that the 7D will do 20fps with the mirror up. Think about it. If it can do video at full res., why can’t it do fast frames with the mirror up?

I do not mind to have a DLSR with excellent picture quality but with only 8MP sensor. Remember the “good old days” of shooting Kodakchrome slides? You just compose the picture carefully. You canon crop it. Nowadays, with the “excellent” L zoom lens, you can compose the picture a lot easier than using fixed focal length lens.

Unfortunately, the 7D seems intended as a sports camera. Careful composition is not always possible when shooting sports. Football players tend to change direction suddenly and run out of the frame, motocross riders jump a little too high and get the tops of their heads cut off and the roller derby queen picks exactly the wrong moment to bounce her opponent into the suicide seats. The trend in sports photography increasingly is to frame loosely and let the art director crop. 8.2MP may not be enough pixels, no matter how good the image is. (And given the quality of 5DMkII images, the 7D images would likely be very good indeed.) Unfortunately, it looks as if Canon will be giving us an unbalanced monstrosity: 8.2MP@12+FPS when 10MP@10FPS or 12MP@8FPS would be much better. If they do, I’ll be holding on to my 40D.

haha, this is hilarious, it is clearly that you want and all in one camera but sorry for you that it isn’t going to happen anytime soon, the Canon HDV prosumer camcorder line might be ancient but it is still a product that Canon sells, they will not just abandoned their camcorder line simply like that.

+1

I don’t believe that will happen, as it confuses the lens line up to have L (professional) series lenses that will not work on professional series bodies. Do much marketing effort to disambiguate. If Canon were going to do that, they would have declared the 10-22 an L series lens, having nearly identical optics as the 16-35L II.

Yes, on the 16-bit RAW, do you know how little light you would get at that shutter speed? and why would you want that fast of speed? and that is just silly on the x-sync

553 posts and counting

The only feature I am really looking forward to is the “Improved” print button! This wasn’t part of the rumored spec list but its real! The new print button will be twice as good as the older ones!

But if it is US$1899, then it gets awfully close to the US$1999 pricing of the A850 (and the Canon 5D Mark II now seems a bit overpriced).

I know I know they are 2 different cameras for 2 different market segments, but still.

Canon XD

$X,X99.95 msrp

XX.X megapixels APS-X CMOS Sensor

14-Bit A/D conversion

Sensor Self Cleaning System

ISO Range of 100-6400 (expandable to ISO L: 50, H1: 12800 and H2: 25600)

1X FPS JPEG (Large/Fine): approx. XXX (UDMA CF)

Full 1080p and 720p Video at 30 and 24 FPS in MOV File

Magnesium Body (XXD body modified)

Weather Sealed Body

X00,000 Rated Test Shutter Life

Dual “DIGIC IV” Image Processors

Autofocus System 19 cross-type AF points (plus 26 Assist AF points)

35-zone TTL full-aperture metering

Dual Memory Card Slots 1 Compact Flash UDMA, 1 SD and SDHC Compatible

98% View Finder Coverage

3.0-inch Clear View LCD 960,000 VGA Monitor

Looks very nice.

In fact….that will be a Shift-Delete nikon :))

everyone is waiting.

woot woot

haha no kidding, this has gotta be a record

knock, knock

I for one hope Sony sell a boatload of A850s,
maybe Canon and Nikon will be forced to sell $2000 FF dslr’s.

13.1 megapixels @ 11 FPS.. count on it! “144 million reasons”

this site will implode September one…by relief

or explode by outrage ;-))

at the end of the day we’ll know

happy weekend everyone

sensor size a bit smaller than 1D mk III, but still considerably larger than APS-C, only 10-11MP but manymore FPS. weatherseal and pro-AF appeal.articulated LCD + HD movie. the direct print button would print every single frame of any given HD movie, if you accidently touched the button while reviewing that movie, with that feature canon is hoping to justify the expensive price!

Hey, looks like you’ll be getting what you actually needed all the while.

So I feel with the launch of the A850

Festive air,

boys and girls,

radiant with happiness …

Aire de fiesta

running time

for pa pa

With joy,

arm in arm,

with an air of great friendship …

All in chorus,

singing loudly,

for pa pa

We decided to spend this day,

with great joy and good humor.

People smile when they see that we,

and shouted:

Viva la vida y arriba el amor!

Festive air,

boys and girls,

radiant with happiness …

Aire de fiesta

running time

for pa pa

We decided to spend this day,

with great joy and good humor.

People smile when they see that we

and shouted:

Viva la vida y arriba el amor!

Festive air,

boys and girls,

radiant with happiness …

Festive air,

running time,

for pa pa

for pa pa pa pa pa pa

for pa pa pa pa pa pa

for pa pa pa pa

La la la la la

la la la la la la

la la la la la la la

La la la la la la

la la la la la

la la la

I know, it would be nice to see some sort of affordable upgrade path. However, it is probably just the engineer in me that considers the symmetry of this line-up to be sensible. Canon will do whatever they have to do to make a buck; symmetry might not come into it at all. All the same, it is a nice clear marketing message: one strand for the pros (or those with the cash) and one strand for the interested amateurs.

5d2 useless for anybody serious about action/sport photography, even if it’s as a side job.

Save harder.

I reckon the 18-135 IS will have ring USM as well as the 15-85

People seem to be concerned that if the expected new 7D is indeed APS-C, then Canon will have nothing to compete with the new Sony a850. Surely if they feel that they are losing sales, Canon will simply cut the price of the 5D Mkii. The two cameras have very similar specifications, except for the 5D Mkii having video recording. This must be a cheaper option than developing a whole new camera.

I have been buying a lot of L glass. That may explain the shortage. It’s all I use.

“If it’s not L, it can go to hell”.

Because some sources are saying approximately the same pixel density as the 5DMkII.

You are my hero. With so much L glass, you must be a great photographer.

Need moar spyshots

I have a feeling i’m going to be very happy with what Canon will release. Unfortunately for them, i just bought a new car today and a lot of my money is gone. So the price better be pretty good.

Oh, OK, you sound honest so we’ll trust you. CR?

No news/rumours regarding the number of megapixels?

CR3:

The two new ES-S lenses leak out…

From northlight-image

At the original site there is the full press release info

EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Availability: mid-October

EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Availability: end of September

And usable on the 7D !!!!! meaning a 1.6 crop

in the rumor these 2 lenses were cr2, now there’s pictures of them so it’s “official”
but the rumor said too that an L lens, a non L and a third (a bit of a mystery) one were coming, with a cr3 rating on it.
what i ask myself now is how accurate the rest of this cr3 sources information may be, especially the 7d specs mentioned above!

What the hell are you talking about?

8.0MP…24fps

It’s a recipe for boiled dog…

So this won’t be the world’s fastest DSLR?

Haw Haw

Cultural stereotypes are so clever.

You must be French.

Yea because rain is often pouring on the base.

No no he WAS talking about the HOLE thing. You know Anonymous has a thing for other men.

Nope, it’s my wife’s car. I wanted something faster………

lol exactly the same as my situation

They invented direct print buttons, they are geniuses beyond compare.

photographic ambition / talent is directly proportional to the number of direct print buttons pushed

or maybe they’ll drop the MP on the 60D and go for low light there?

Hmmm 7D is $1699, D300s is $1,799 – where’s the lower pricing?

Hi, don’t pretend that the f/4 version is better. The f4 is for those that can’t afford the f2.8. Sorry, but it’s true. The reason why there are no “wet dreams” about revised versions of the f/4 version is simply because it doesn’t share the same userbase.

Many people have alos become fans of Paul Smith Shoes since they came into the market. I also one of them , I very like Paul Smith Wallets and <a Paul Smith Belts,It designs very good.

vitamin health article viagra maxamizer try xenical soy free vitamin d imitrex dvds

alli and the fda