5D Mark III in 2011
Vincent Laforet on a recent webcast alluded to the next incarnation of the 5D coming “next year”.
He also mentioned Canon is committed to improving the mini HDMI connector on the cameras.
It’s rare to hear any of the sponsored photographers mention future products.
New Flash
A brief comment I received said Canon is readying to replace the 580EX II with a new unit. This will not be an addition to the flash lineup. There will be some new technology built into the flash as well.
PowerShot SX20 Replacement
The SX20 replacement will take a bit of a departure from the SX10 & SX20. Expect a new lens setup, design and image sensor technololgy.
The source also says expect the SX20 to be the last superzoom from Canon that uses AA batteries. I know that will NOT be music to the ears of a lot of people. It seems to be a 50/50 split for LiIon vs AA with the camera line.
New Waterproof Camera
Expect a new waterproof camera to be announced with the 60D in the coming month. I’ve also been told there could be a waterproof camcorder.
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sounds good
5DIII is part of my saving plans…so here we go…waterproofed 60D…wow…;-)
Not a waterproof 60D but a waterproof camera along with a 60D ;)
And I was just about to place an order for not one but two (!!!) 580EX IIs, a few hours ago!!!
So relieved.
I hope the 5Dmk3 doesn’t have an anti-aliasing-filter as strong.
And they don’t increase the number of megapixels.
an anti-aliasing-filter as strong as the 7D.
They most likely will. How come the 5D MK II has less noise than the 5D, with 12 megapixels. Technology changes, they don’t just put more pixels in a sensor with technology from 2005. I guess so..Plus, this is Canon, they always put more pixels. The more light the microlenses receive, the better the signal and less noise we have. There is more of course.
Can’t wait for the new flash.
i really could use some more powerful flashes…that would make me happy. if htey don’t jack up the price tooooooooooo much
Ditto that.
But if it’s indeed a waterproofed 60D, it’d be so huge.
If it’s just a 5D with better high ISO and better video (e.g. 60 fps) I don’t know that I’d upgrade.
I never need to use an ISO over 6400 on the 5D. And 6400, with careful processing, can come out just fine.
But if they add GPS, much faster burst rate, and a new AF system, then I’d probably upgrade (esp. if they improve the AF system).
Yeah, and now you have to wait for it to be 1. Announced 2. Available in stores. That might take a year since its only a rumor. ;-)
I hope the new flash is somewhat smaller than the 580EX II. I now stick with 430EX II simply because of its size.
Price is my main concern. It will have to have some really neat, convincing features at the price I’m afraid Canon will charge for it.
I’ve said it before, but I hope that new flash has integrated RF, and independent flash compensation for each group (i.e., instead of ratios). This way, I could have some groups in manual and some in TTL.
A new flash sounds good. New technologies? I think this requires a new camera too, so my guess for the announcement goes to august-september, that is at the Photokina time frame, complimenting the 1Ds mk4.
5D Mark III: I am all for it!
glad I held out buying a D10, hopefully the new D20 will be a slimmer version without an ugly bright aqua blue color.
2-3 weeks spring 2010 rebates with 580exii going for 30-50 bucks less anyways.
5D Mk III couldn’t be much more than another year, the MkII is almost two years old now.
I expect to be amazed by the Mk III, so I’ll probably upgrade unless it’s ho-hum (highly unlikely). Fast AF, 60P, manual sound while shooting, built-in wireless flash.
Canon flashes are so expensive for what they offer, I doubt I’ll jump on the new one.
Pixel count can go anywhere, 21 – 35 MP, I don’t care much, but I hope they do pixel binning (9 to 1 ?) for video.
Yeah, I had it on My list as well to buy in two weeks. Three 580ex II’s, with 4 pocket Wizards, to get all my strobing setup going, but now wondering if the wait is worth it, or just suck it up and buy the 580’s now?!
Thoughts??
IF Canon doesn’t increase the Megapixels count, and instead improves the low noise quality & Dinamic Range, AF system (a must), and increase/improves Movie/Video features, then it will be a great update. But we don’t think Canon would keep the MP count…
As almost every company on this area, they release products with part of the features they could give. The other part is reserved for future (business matters…)
A LONG list of Movie/video features (collected from LOT of professional users’ feedbacks and reports) that can be improved/implemented is here:
http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/canon-firmware-updates/
Canon WILL implement some of those ideas / requests. They already did with 2 of them on the T2i/550D (not at the best level, but they did).
Some of them can even be included on the 5D Mark II as requested since very long ago.
No doubt that 5D Mark II has changed the roadmap of the DSLR line.
Obviously the life cycle of DSLR cameras has changed (like almost every electronic device), even for the highly priced ones. Anyway it will keep at around 2.5 years for the 5D.
As we mentioned before, there won’t be a 5D Mark III in 2010.
(the following is strictly my opinion)
5D2 with 7D focusing would be a near perfect camera… exactly the reason Canon won’t make it.
They’ve seen how the D700 robbed sales from the D3 and from a business standpoint I don’t think they’re prepared to let that happen.
I predict most of the changes to appeal to the video crowd, especially when you consider who’s leaking the info…
The colour should be something like bright yellow so you can still see it (when dropped) under water
Man you just buy the marketing hook, line, and sinker don’t you?
I wish my own customers were as gullible.
IMO one of the bigger mistakes Nikon made was to allow the D700 to do 8FPS (albeit with a grip).
oh yes. you are right. ;-) so what can it be 7DII?
My guess or my hope is to have new processing unit say DIGIC5 in 5DMKIII….
Wow. I’m exactly the guy that doesn’t fall for this tricks. But when you see people saying ‘the 7d sucks it has more noise than the 50D because of 3MP more’, it gets you kind of upset because they keep on creating confusions that more MP more noise. Sure, more don’t need more than 3MP (while they don’t know) but Canon always puts more pixels and they probably will put more.
uh…new waterproop cam along with 60D: 1Ds IV?
RAW video output is what i want the most! Follow by an improved AF system.
btw, can RAW video output improve alias issue?
I was in the studio audience for 3 days, and Vincent didn’t say those things, that is a severe misquote of what he said.
Buy it! If the 580EX II will meet your needs, then it will do the same in the future.
my guess is that it will have dual processors to help with the AF and video.
Will 5D Mark III come in the first half of 2011 or second? I want to upgrade my 400D to FF 5D Mark II in 3 or 4 months. If so, I can sell it for good price when 5D Mark III hit the market :)
Rrelease all the new cameras you want. If you don’t announce some new lenses they will all be for nothing. The camera is only as good as the glass.
A 5D2 with the 40D’s AF system would be an improvement.
So the options are:
1. Buy equipment now and be able to take photos with your strobe setup.
2. Buy equipment later and not be able to take photos with a strobe setup.
? Should be easy.
Dunno, Last time I checked technology improves too. Marketing or no marketing.
Or are you still using film?
No, it’ll be an itty-bitty little P&S that replaces the D10.
A BSI type sensor on a SX20/SX1 replacement would be great.
Not gonna be a DSLR. It’ll be a P&S.
Can’t wait for the 5D III so the 5D II team will be obsolete and we won’t have to hear from them anymore about their “insider knowledge.”
The xxd line af would be a downgrade.
I wonder if there is a recording of the interview.
A new waterproof camera? I really really hope there will be a replacemant for the excellent but analog Nikonos Series :)
Perfect timing for the info. I nearly ordered a very expensive UW-case for the 5DII
CR Guy, what’s the rating on this?
At least try to think before you post, the 7D has only been out a few months and you want a 7DII?
They better improve the AF to be at least as good as the 7D or they’ll be committing suicide as far as their existence in the entry-level digital FF segment is concerned. I don’t think Canon is that dumb.
Remember it only shoots that at about 5mp. The price you pay for DX crop.
I do lol at people thinking that by waterproof they mean a dslr. The D10 was a good camera for what it was, and is crying for a replacement. It will need to come soon to get in before summer, as other companies have good underwater cameras out currently
Agreed here, I would expect the 24-70 to be announced with the 1dsmkIV but hope for a 14-24 or similar wide angle.
Though I do own the 100 macro L and it is an utter joy to use
: D
What would Canon do without ‘the team’ ?
How would they know what features to put in the 5D III ?
“can RAW video output improve alias issue?”
No, the aliasing is an issue with pixel binning / downscaling.
RAW will remove compression artefacts, but will not solve aliasing.
Alas a new flash! Hopefully it will be at least comparable to the SB900.
On the MKIII, if its a 7D with a full-frame sensor, I will be ecstatic and preorder!
Seriously… we don’t need medium format point and shoots. Ease up on the megapixel count and focus on image quality. If you can produce images nearly as clean as a D700 on a MKII, think of what Canon could produce if they just held at 21.1 for the next gen 5D.
Amen
he was obviously kidding
glad i don’t need the better AF, so when all you current 5d2 owners sell yours to upgrade, I’ll be sure to be the first to lowball you guys for a 2nd camera body.
move along nothing to see here
Okay, fine, I guess. And I don’t want to hear anymore about the 3D :)
D10 successor before july please, I need it for a trip…
5D3 sounds great, will be tempted
Sorry to disappoint you, but he will most definitely make a 5D III Team once it comes out and continue to post annoying boastful comments on this site.
Or third option is save your money and buy a 550ex off eBay.
so let me get this straight: a 5diii coming in 2011, and it will have improvements.
mhm
before you know, he will crash is nda again by saying: guys there will be january, at the beginning of 2011.
CR3, what else. its like saying: no, canon will not stop to produce cameras.
5D mkIII???
Would love to hear some rumored specs from Vincent ; )
Flash? I use the power of the sun!
Yup. Sounds like this could be the one to do it. A whole new flash unit with built in RF remote to go with the built in controll in the 1DsIV. It will not be a 580 upgrade but a redesign
More than our “insider knowledge”, which is very limited, we tried and still try our best to help to get improvements for the 5D Mark II for all users.
Obviously you don’t have a 5D2, that’s why you don’t like nor appreciate what we do :-)
hahaha. so relieved that you’ll have to wait another year!!!
Err no, I think you’re mistaken. You’re probably thinking about the D3 11fps DX mode.
The D700 will shoot at 8FPS at full res.
lol?…..
I saw a 3D movie at a 3D movie theatre and thought the Canon 3D would be a good camera to shoot 3D movies in 3D for 3D movie lovers to watch in 3D!
Solar powered camera?
;)
5DIII = FF 18MP sensor in 7D. Nothing else. Would sell kidney.
I tell you why…I am a non anglo poster…so by reading more below I become aware of it: what I meant was a w e a t h e r s e a l e d DSLR. Yes you are right. It is kinda impossible to present a waterproof DSLR ;-)
I definitely never use flash, I am strictly using available light. Currently shooting a 30D at ISO 1600 is about the highest I’d go at lowlight or ISO 3200 if there ain’t no other possibility. ISO 1600 look quite fair on the 30D. ISO 3200 depend on what light source is availble. Stage lights work fine. So I will warmly welcome an upgrade to a 5DIII within a few years, once Canon is geared toward 5DIV…;-) So here I come, as stated above.
guess you’ll keep your kidney for good…nah…gonna be some figures over the 21 MP…someone in the web estimated at least some 24 MP…
I would sell my arm.
as filmed by a 3d ? ;-))
So there will be a 60D, that’s good news.
Hm, the old 580EX works perfectly with 7D’s built-in transmitter. So it’s already there!?
Because… you can’t take great pictures with Canon’s current lenses? Come on…
Image Quality doesn’t sell, Megapixels do.
Well, I have no money for 5D Mark X so the Mark III can be a year :-).
However, I use sometine to times the Mark II, it is a genial camera but there is still room for improvement;
– Lower noise / better dynamic
– Better AF
– Better built-in microphone
– more video format (720p/30)
21 MP is for me enough, I do not wish more. Othersiwe I would need a new computer… The current is just-fast enough for 21MP!
Bye
Yeah. Even 580 Mark 1’s are great.
Bottom line is if you can do work (and potentially make money) with current model equipment, why wait for a rumored model and not get work done?
Opportunity cost.
If these rumors are true then I’ll be very excited. But it seem that the 5d MARK III rumor mill has been going on since last year.
So yea.
I’ll stick to my 7d APSCCCCCCCC.
Full-frame can wait, unless a miracle happens.
Well I owned the 5D and the 5DII at the same time and Chio is right.
Actually the 40D AF is slightly better than the 5DII.
How can you appreciate boasting about nothing?
You were there for 3 days and you remember every single thing he said (or didn’t say)?
Wow.
Some can’t ;)
Medium format is to do with the sensor size not the MP.
A MF point and shoot would be quite a feat of engineering.
Yeah, I hear if you trip it won’t break.
;P
But not 2013… I saw a movie about it and everything.
LOL
If you’re only shooting things on stage (where the lights create the mood) I can understand your position.
But proper use of speedlights makes for much better photos (but it’s more difficult to get right).
I agree with about AF and the microphone (though it doesn’t bother me because I don’t use it for video that much).
The noise is already very good, but hey, if they make it better I won’t complain.
The format can be changed (on the mark II) using firmware and will likely come later.
The success of the 5D MkII is hardly driving anybody to suicide, suboptimal AF or not.
I do hope that they improve the AF in the Mk III. Other than that it is nearly perfect for my purposes. A bit more buffer memory for longer sequences at full fps, some other details…
There was the 1992 Nikonos. That was a fully-featured underwater SLR for 35mm film, with exchangeable lenses, flash and everything. It was based on the Nikon F601.
A new Flash .. I might add it to my collection. But I already have 4 flashes so …
5d mark III ? not before 2012 I would say. Why ? Because they need some space for the 1ds mark IV sales.
Hello, 5D3 should be at least as good as a Nikon D700.
I´m a 5D user, and i can´t find anything in the 5D2 more than extra-resolution.
The body is so simply, the shutter sound, its of a camera of toy.
I´ll change to a 5D3 if they improve as close as possible to a 1Ds
580exIII should rotate as it does the Sony HVL-F58AM
About 24-70 2.8is i think its not as neccesary as it is a good lens in the range of a 14-24 2.8, hope as good as a Nikon, never done by Canon, because the poor quality of the 17-35, 16-35, 16-35II ….
I’d like to see that!
I doubt that this will really be a replacement for the 580 EX II, which isn’t too old after all. The should keep the 580 EX II as is and introduce a somewhat beefier flashgun to counter the Nikon SB-900-or-whatever-it-was-called. Essentially a tad more power than the 580 EX II, faster recharge (perhaps 6 AA cells instead of 4?), and a larger zoom range,e.g., (15)24-200, where 15 is with the diffuser in place.
Anything else I could imagine for a 580 EX II replacement would be purely a gimmick (like the full color display of the Nissin 866).
Speedlights are a blow of money for location lighting. If they’re simply slaves, you’re paying hundreds for digital controls that aren’t being used (no self respecting man of lighting uses off camera ttl).
Get Elinchrom Quadras or $60 flashguns. Other than for single light indoors use, I highly regret having spent hundreds on 580ex IIs.
The 7d 18mp sensor is not full frame so it could not be used. The 7d’s sensor would be something like 46mp if upsized to full frame. An 18mp full frame would require a new sensor.
*things.
So is the rumored 5d3 equivalent to the rumored 3D? If not we might again get a dumbed down 1DsX.
We’ll probably know more when the 1ds4 arrives. It’s level of extraordinary will give clues into what Canon can squeeze into a sub 3k small body camera.
Until then how about those high demand lenses we heard about. 24-70IS, 100-400, 14-24???
My bad, That was what i was thinking.
*fail*
you are the gullible one. spouting rehashed online ‘wisdom’ that ‘canon is all about marketing and not about photography’ or ‘more mp = more noise’
gullible ones like you go nikon due to the sheer amount of internet rubbish that has addled your gullible brain
(Im not saying their cameras are bad btw. 12mp is good enough for most. just that i find having 21mp to play arnd with is better. want the noise performance of the 12mp sensor? down size the 21mp to 12 and u get the same performance. dont believe me? go check out the normalised results form dxomark.) (oh btw dont compare the 1dm4 with the d3s. the sensor sizes are different.)
yessss canon better come up with pixel binning for video…imagine usable iso 900k haha
if its simply line skipping with an increased mp count.. the performance will be the same if not worse :( plus the d3s already smokes the 1dm4 for video due to its larger photosites
aw cmon. they do the job of pestering canon for free. lets leave them be
> the sensor sizes are different
I just resized the image from the 1D4 to the size of the D3s + 1.3 times more (to account for the sensor size – 3274). At ISO 12800 (which is what I want to use), the image from the D3s still has a cleaner noise level.
(And one should also consider that Canon is supposed to have the better sensor technology).
im curious. are they the same images shot at the same conditions? also, the noise levels, are they objective measures?
also what do you mean by D3s + 1.3 times more. you mean upscale it? if thats the case it does NOT reflect a true comparism between the Nikon FF and the performance of the canon sensor.
fundamentally what you are doing is upscaling resolution. yes that would increase noise etc. but, the fundamental thing is that the Canon sensor, being an analogue device with a smaller surface area than the nikon’s, captures less light to begin with. you CANT simply upresolution an image and call it equivalent.
basically your methodology is wrong, a true comparism would be to use a hypothetical canon 16mp FF and a nikon 12 mp FF using the same sensor tech.
go read the articles at dxomark ‘Insights’ Section. basically in a nutshell: more mp does not equate to more noise in normalised results, total SNR performance is largely a factor of sensor size NOT pixel density, and improving tech (esp gapless lenses) have improved SNR performance a little bit in the past 7 years
you’re a knucklehead – if you only see higher resolution (which all the nikon people are crying for) then you haven’t used the camera
yep I would assume somewhere along the lines like the Nikon D3x in megapixel count and 5fps like the 1dsm3 for the 5dm3.
Slightly improved AF and maybe 1-2 stop ISO improvement with a couple video updates.
I’ll probably still hold onto my 5d2 and lowball you other 5d2 users for a secondary body when the 5d3 is released.
you should read this as well
http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html#pixelsize
Quoting the conclusion:
“Bottom line: Among the important measures of image quality are signal-to-noise ratio of the capture process, and resolution. It was shown that for fixed sensor format, the light collection efficiency per unit area is essentially independent of pixel size, over a huge range of pixel sizes from 2 microns to over 8 microns, and is therefore independent of the number of megapixels. Noise performance per unit area was seen to be only weakly dependent on pixel size. The S/N ratio per unit area is much the same over a wide range of pixel sizes. There is an advantage to big pixels in low light (high ISO) applications, where read noise is an important detractor from image quality, and big pixels currently have lower read noise than aggregations of small pixels of equal area. For low ISO applications, the situation is reversed in current implementations — if anything, smaller pixels perform somewhat better in terms of S/N ratio (while offering more resolution). A further exploration of these issues can be found on the supplemental page. Rather than having strong dependence on the pixel size, the noise performance instead depends quite strongly on sensor size — bigger sensors yield higher quality images, by capturing more signal (photons). “
guess you never shoot faster than a 200th of a second..?
since nikon has has the same sensor for almost 5 years you would hope it is better…and maybe it is unless you need to blow up or crop…
if it’s under 500 and it can recycle faster, and give more light so i don’t lose so much shooting through my softboxes then it would be worth it to me…
I’ve used the images from imaging-resource, for lack of a first hand experience with these cameras.
I’ve downscaled the image taken with 1D4 to 3274 pixels (which is D3s resolution divided by 1.3), kept the D3s to the same resolution, and looked at the resulting native resolution to large areas of a given color (which is my interest – mainly skin).
(Also, I’m ignoring here the better saturation of the image taken with D3s.)
I’ve read theories on both sides, but I’m a practical guy, so I take decisions based on testing, not on theories that make things look either way.
not RF – that used infra red which is line of site – the holy grail for strobists would be built in radio.
I’ll buy a 5D3 if it has:
* ISO 12800 as clean as my 40D’s ISO 1600 (3 stops better), indoor shooting, low light.
* Better autofocus (more accurate and faster, especially in low light).
* The settings range from 1D4 (ISO, F-number and exposure time).
Anything less is a matter of “maybe”…
the person that buys the 1dsIV is not a 5d shooter –
that does not mean he doesn’t own one – doesn’t mean he might not love his 5d as a back up but he buys the 1 for AF, ruggedness, battery life, etc – it’s a pro tool and while plenty of pro’s shoot 5d’s – it doesn’t make it a pro camera – it lacks top of the line features and that is what (for canon) seperates the pro from non pro – not a single digit.
it won’t be a 580exIII – it will be a 600ex or 620ex or something stronger…
Absolutely, it was an intense 3 day workshop that kept me glued every minute.
Regardless, I don’t need to remember the exact words it is about the context he said it in. The funny thing is, he particularly brought up the fact during the webcast that people were already misquoting him – and mentioned how important it was to not quote someone out of context.
Someone quoted him saying that red’s raw footage “looks like garbage” – but he was talking about the fact that raw footage is supposed to look flat and neutral on purpose, so that you can correct for saturation, tone and sharpness in post.
When he talked about the mini-HDMI connector the context was that the connector does not do well on pro setups, where you have a cable that easily looses connection constantly. In the video world we use BNC connectors as a professional connection… He said that he has complained about this a lot and Canon is listening. The context was that Canon is taking feedback – not that they are fixing it.
The context of timeline was in the fact that there never is a perfect camera and that a camera could always come out “next year”.
In summary, it’s just irresponsible journalism to not have the exact quote and the context it was said in.
For the anti-aliasing (pixel-binning) of the videopart it’s easiest if width in pixels is a multiple of 1920, and height in pixels is a multiple of 1080.
And with 4 times these values it would be technically very easy with a 2 positon binary shift to the right.
So this would result in 33megapixel camera.
and 4*1920=6*1280, 4*1080=6*720.
p.s.
With 3 times these values (1920 and 1080) would be a 18megapixel camera.
I have conducted a thorough scientific research on Canon and Nikon.
My conclusion: Nikon is better than Canon.
Thank you.
It’s always much easier to criticize than to do.
Especially when you don’t know nor follow the process since January 2009….
We only post here ocassionaly, but the biggest and most important things (investigations, campaigns and actions) are running out of this board and are not only a blog at all. We are a small group of few people, users of the 5D Mark II, acting, not just posting comments at all.
i did not came here to insult anybody
I´ve used the camera for a week, and i processed and compared the results printed in 120cms wide.
for my work in international fashion editorials, there is no difference between 5d and 5d2.
i´m waiting for the new 1ds4, because 5d2 to me is not enough.
I simply tell that if the new 5dmark3 will have a better body construction, a better shutter like 1d, will be a choice to me and meny other photographers, but seems Canon prefers that we spent three times the price of it, to buy the 1ds.
D700 got not such resolution, but body construction, accuracy and shutter release almost like D3.
Its my opinion.
Very short conclusion.
You got the 1D4 ‘Bunny? – Whats your take on it – I might get one..
I have done the same thing!
Only I came to the conclusion, that you don’t know nothing! And Canon is better!
Thank YOU.
More than 20 years ago my wife bought a Nikon Action Touch to use while we were canoeing in the Boundary Waters — including picture taking while in the canoe. It was water resistant down to 9.9 feet. The camera came with a flotation cushion for attaching to the camera bag/box. Instead of putting it on the bag/box, she threaded the camera’s strap through the flotation cushion so that if the camera fell out of the canoe, it wouldn’t wouldn’t sink any farther more than a foot below the water’s surface.
Canon Hydros-1?
Your left arm, I presume?
I have conducted a thorough research project on you.
It turns out that you are a troll.
thanks! :)
Yes 3D
I did the same thing as you, but ran Noise Ninja over the 1DIV.
The results were very similar.
Overall:
D3s = less noise (esp over 12800 iso)
1DIV = more detail (due to less in body NR and resolution)
D3s can’t really improve with added NR as you just loose sharpness/detail and don’t gain much in reduced noise (I suspect Nikon have in built RAW NR as I tested RAW images).
The 1DIV keeps the detail there and let’s you have the option of adding as much (or little) NR a needed.
Considering the 1DIV is a 16MP 1.3 crop sensor, Canon have done very well indeed.
D3s is awesome too. :)
That may be, but the point is that more pixels mean (practically, not theoretically) more noise even at a normalized size. Of course, Nikon may have some NR even for RAWs, perhaps also increasing saturation?!
I’ll try doing your experiment as well, in Lightroom 3. Did you do NR on the full images and resized only afterward?
Also, the extra detail for 1D4 can only matter if you’re using the full size since at a normalized size you don’t have more details (since the resolutions are the same, for the same sensor projection area), which means that you don’t have the advantage of getting the same noise level from normalizing its size. Anyway, I’ll experiment with NR on both images.
There is one other thing: the D3s image is sub-exposed with about 2 stops compared to the image from 1D4 (et 1/2500, eb -1.33 compared to et 1/1600 and eb 0), plus it’s a bit darker. This makes me wonder: was there more light for D3s, or is the ISO from D3s 2 stops “lighter” (equivalent of ISO 3200 from 1D4)? In any case, it looks like the D3s was favored, so this little experiment is limited in relevance.
Sorry, the second case is irrelevant if the illumination level was the same.
No, I have the 40D.
I guess if 1D4 would be as small, as light and as “cheap” as 5D2, I would buy it :)
not only Canon…
Call it the Hydra, then you can attache as many heads as you want…
I was just pointing out that it is not impossible to build an underwater (D)SLR.
Excellently trolled sir. Headgears off to you.
Sigh…you dont get it do you.
“the point is that more pixels mean (practically, not theoretically) more noise even at a normalized size.”
that is WRONG.
read the link http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html#pixelsize and the dxomark articles
current gen gapless sensors use nearly 100% of the surface to capture light…
repeat after me. “Total SNR performance is a function of sensor size not pixel density or pixel size”
say that ten times. AND the 1d4 has a SMALLER SENSOR. THAT IS IT. you cant compare the 2. the 1d4 obviously loses by 1 stop even at normalised sizes. not BECAUSE OF PIXEL DENSITY BUT BECAUSE OF THE SENSOR SIZE.
gosh you cant read can u. claiming to be practical and all but not bothering to know the fundamentals
> AND the 1d4 has a SMALLER SENSOR. THAT IS IT. you cant compare the 2.
Unfortunately, you didn’t (want to) understand what I did. I first brought both sensors to the SAME physical size by applying a 1.3 crop overlay on the image taken with the D3s.
Since the D3s sensor width is 36 mm, and that of 1D4 is 27.9 mm, it means that 4256 (D3s image width) * 27.9 / 36 = 3298.4 pixels taken from the D3s image correspond to the physical sensor size of the full 1D4 image.
To be crystal clear, an image with a width of 3298 pixels cut out from the (middle of the) image taken with a D3s is taken with a sensor area equal with the sensor area with which an image is taken with a 1D4: 27.9 mm width. At this point, both image widths are taken is same-size sensors.
Then, one simply needs to downscale the full image taken with a 1D4 to the cutout image taken from an image taken with a D3s. Therefore, one needs to downscale 4896 (1D4 image width) to 3298 pixels.
A *guess*:
27 MP FF
13 point AF, with 5 central cross type sensors
Better live view and video AF
Digic V
Proper binning (2×2 and 3×3) for sRAW and video
Built-in RF flash control
Maybe digital level a-la 7D
Some improvements in video modes
Small improvement of high-ISO performance.
Same size, weight and build quality as 5D2
Same view finder/pentaprism as 5D2
No revolutionary new features.
No GPS
No articulated screen
No weatherproofing a-la 7D
If they keep the ~3:2 stills format, then they could bin 3*1920, 4*1080
That gives 5760 x 4320 full RAW pixels = 24.9 MP
A 2×2 binned mRAW would be 2880 x 2160
That sounds rather reasonable to me, so it will probably not happen ;-)
Like the 3D movie theatres Xenu put the alien souls into after blowing them up with a atom bomb (after flying to earth in a DC-8 plane/spaceship and throwing them in volcanos around Hawaii.
All this is fact! A bad science fiction writer told me in his book.
Mmm different countries have differing laws governing radio signals.
LOL Mark II Team
Hey? Isn’t your website all about critizing?
Part of my savings too my friend. Hoping for a great low light focusing system. Lets hope it doesn’t clear $4000.
Right on Chris!
That’s not a troll. THIS is a troll:
The 5DII AF is a joke! 12MP is all I need! Nikon lenses are sharper and look better too.
Not trolling, just being honest.
Direct print buttons are all I need. 12MP is a joke.
Dammned, I forgot 16:9 versus 3:2.
noooooo it better have sth equal or better than the 7d AF system!!!! sometimes we need the coverage with well placed AF points!!
hopefully (and also to save cost and dominate the market)
the single digit series will all share the SAME AF module :D
yay!
the body performance is pretty slow
Yikes, the 40D AF sucked!
Even for sports the 5D2 is doing better for sure!
Give it 1D4 AF and give it 6.3fps and Digic V for better video. Once that is done then increase MP if you can, but DO NOT INCREASE ABOVE 21MP BEFORE GETTING TO AT LEAST 6.3fps AT THE MIN!
I don’t want some 33MP camera at 4fps and slow mirror, etc.
The 1Ds can be the one always a step ahead in MP and the 5D’s can become the ones a step ahead in speed (and small size).
no way
noticeably worse
and 25MP they coudl probably drive at 6.5fps which would be MOST welcome, way more than 33MP until they can first get the speed of the 5D-sloths up
That would cover only a small part of the FF image. the 5D and 1Ds series need different AF from the 7D and 1D series.
For marketing reasons, I think the 5D3 AF will remain inferior to the 7D/7D2 series, as will the fps and weatherproofing.
The 7D series will be targeted more at action/wildlife photographers, whereas the 5D series will remain targeted at the studio/landscape crowd.
If you want the best of both worlds, then Canon will tell you to buy both cameras ;-)
Lots of High End Photographers use the 5d mark II for their professional work. The 5d mark II is considered a pro’s tool even by Canon (have a look at their CPS Service). For many pros, the 5d series will do 100% of what they need. Paying an extra $4.5k for weather sealing and AF is not justified for many.
Well, it depends on the pixels size of that RAW files. It will have aliasing if its RAW HD (and processing of the downscaling is not improved), but it would be less if provides, let’s say, 4k RAW, or even nothing with 5k RAW or whatever the new sensor is capable of.
I’d call it normative journalism actually.
;)
Nonsense. Obviously you’ve not owned both.
It does depend on what sort of thing you do. The 5DII is better at tracking (though it still sucks compared to the 7D or 1DIV). The 40D has better (and more “spread out”) outer points (they’re all cross type).
All 9 of the 40D points are cross type. When selecting the outer points it will focus better in low light (in single shot mode)
The 5DII has 3 cross type points, but they’re all high precision. It also has 6 invisible “assist” points. Making it better at tracking. However IMHO the tracking on the 5DII is close to useless.
So depending on what you shoot, the 40D is better or the 5DII is better. Both suck compared to the 7D or 1DIV.
The 40D is NOT “noticeably worse”.
With a new camera coming out everytime I look it would be nice to see some new lenses to keep up with the cameras. I have the 5D MKII and want the 24-70 f2.8 but am holding,holding,holding for the IS version. It gets alittle annoying sometimes. The real kicker is they will release a newer, better, faster version of my camera bt still not have an upgrade to the lense. Annoying I say….
Because of the enormous success of my last scientific research, i have conducted yet another groundbreaking highly sophisticated research.
The 5d mark 3 will have 64megapixels and a pixel pitch no more than 0.0001
This will result in unusable photos straight from ISO 50 and higher.
But hey, who needs iso performance, IQ or dynamic range when you have 64 megapixels, right?
As to my conclusion.
Nikon is better than Canon. (that sounds familiar D:)
Thank you, I shall now go and conduct a research on mental health disorders and how it can affect internet behaviour.
Yours truly,
Dr Poopy Pants
Ahh! Finally someone who’s thinking the exact same thing I am! Great post Javier! I’m with you 100% on that
haha!
ISO 51.200?
The 1D and 1Ds both use the same AF array.
Also in 5D mk III will be a 1/2.3 64mp sensor to allow super crop for video(640×480 ~ 64x crop mode)
Nope, in fact it is to get improvements for the 5D Mark II.
But sometimes (or maybe most of the times, sadly) it seems that it’s much more effective to show the mistakes, inconsistencies, and all the not-so-good things to “push” and help the fixes and improvements do happen.
We wish it was different indeed.
We are reporting a malfunction of Firmware 2.0.4 since one month ago, and still not consistent responses from Canon…
Not to mention the “IRIS JITTER” issue is VERY easy to reproduce. You only need one of the lenses listed on our last post to make it happen:
http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/list-of-lenses-affected/
We UPDATED the post by second time.
Now including a Zoom lens that suffers “iris jitter” when zooming in or out…
A reader has also commented he is experiencing the “iris jitter” when zooming in or out with two Canon lenses on his EOS 7D. We have not confirmed it yet, but we did 100% confirm the Tamron 17-35mm on the 5D Mark II, as we detail on the update.
At some point it does not make any difference anymore what ISO you announce, if all you do is amplify the noise.
For my personal taste, 3200 ISO on the 5D2 is barely usable, so going 4 stops further….
There is an interesting article on DXO that compares progress in sensor technology. It turns out that over the last few years, sensors have gained only 1 or 2 stops in noise resistance, and almost all the rest (another 2 or 3 stops) is due to noise reduction algorithms=software.
No problem sugarcakes.
What about a 6D, same as 5DMK2 but no video (less expensive) and improved ergonomics:
– depth-of-field preview button to the other side so one can reach it with the shooting hand and be able to manual focus with the lens hand at the same time.
– play button to the other side of the LCD display, reachable with the shooting hand.
(let us keep the left hand holding the lens)
– bigger viewfinder display – faster readings keeping the eye in the viewfinder
All we need is a camera to take pictures. For me a 6D like this will be a 5DMK2 improved.
Best regards,
Davide
Is that you, Mr. Rockwell?