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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 02:11:34 AM »
???
...if it has no IS it makes no sense?
I have no reason to upgrade to the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III from my II..
...and I see no reason to upgrade to a new 24-70mm f/2.8 III from my II. ...even if it has IS. My 5DIV does just fine with that lens. IS not needed...not in my world. Odd "upgrades" in my world.

What makes you think you are in the target market?

1. Canon should and probably will consider any 5D4 owner to be rightcat the center of the target market for a EF 24-70/2.8

2. if Canon updates the 24-70/2.8 II, then IS definitely must be added. From a marketing point of view Canon has to end the situation of being the only competing brand without stabilization for the staple, overall probably (?) most often used pro-grade f/2.8 standard zoom lens. No way around that. Even if this means a "more significant upgrade" than just new coatings and new body paint. they may continue to sell the Mk. II as a (relatively) lower cost version to those who don't need IS on it, but still want an optically excellent lens. Which it is.

3. personally i will not upgrade, but wait until i can finally buy a very compact 24-70 f/4 (!) IS in new, native mirrorless FF mount. @Canon: no more mirrorslapper lens purchases from me, at least not for lenses that could lose size, weight or girth on a new "slim fit" mount.  :-)

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 02:11:34 AM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2018, 03:44:48 AM »
For 24-70mm f2.8, I don't really need IS.
When I shoot at VERY low speed, I always use tripod or friction arm clamp if space is limited.




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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2018, 04:09:47 AM »

3. personally i will not upgrade, but wait until i can finally buy a very compact 24-70 f/4 (!) IS in new, native mirrorless FF mount. @Canon: no more mirrorslapper lens purchases from me, at least not for lenses that could lose size, weight or girth on a new "slim fit" mount.  :-)
You can easily buy the Sony/Zeiss 24-70 f/4, its IS, its FF, its mirrorless. This is your ticket to happiness, judging by your words. You are just $1.2K away from it.
Why bothering about fat, long, heavy, DSLR, f/2.8 lens if you do not want it anyways?

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 05:37:59 AM »
Just a FYI, a 24-70 f/2.8L IS wouldn't be an update to the f/2.8L II, it'd be a completely new lens, and in all likelihood the existing f/2.8L II would continue to sell for those who didn't want the extra weight and expense of IS.

And I still think Canon are likely to update the 24-70 f/2.8L II in the same way as the 70-200 f/2.8L III by improving the coatings but essentially leaving the rest the same.

That way from a marketing reason you then have

16-35 f/2.8L III
24-70 f/2.8L III
70-200 f/2.8L IS III

So I think the 24-70 III will be a coating upgrade only, and any IS lens will come later, possibly for the new mount.
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2018, 06:20:32 AM »
Just a FYI, a 24-70 f/2.8L IS wouldn't be an update to the f/2.8L II, it'd be a completely new lens, and in all likelihood the existing f/2.8L II would continue to sell for those who didn't want the extra weight and expense of IS.

And I still think Canon are likely to update the 24-70 f/2.8L II in the same way as the 70-200 f/2.8L III by improving the coatings but essentially leaving the rest the same.

That way from a marketing reason you then have

16-35 f/2.8L III
24-70 f/2.8L III
70-200 f/2.8L IS III

So I think the 24-70 III will be a coating upgrade only, and any IS lens will come later, possibly for the new mount.

Keeping two 24-70mm 2.8's plus an f/4 version?  I don't think this would be practical from manufacturing, inventory, or marketing standpoints.  And then there is repair support.

Your conjecture is reasonable based on the current situation with the three 85mm versions, but my guess is that, though there is still a large inventory of 85mm 1.2's, manufacturing has already been phased out--or will be by end-of-year.  I can't even make a guess regarding the 1.8--it might still be profitable, but wouldn't it come from a very old manufacturing process that at some point begins to cost too much to maintain and support? 

True, the 24-70mm 2.8 II is still a relatively new version, but I don't think the price and size difference between it and a new IS model will be drastic enough to justify keeping both...though Canon might surprise yet again.


Maybe the f/4 version will be first to be officially discontinued?
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2018, 07:35:05 AM »
Keeping two 24-70mm 2.8's plus an f/4 version?  I don't think this would be practical from manufacturing, inventory, or marketing standpoints.  And then there is repair support.

Well, let's see:

L-series Ultrawide angle lenses (excluding the 11-24)

EF 16-35mm f/4L IS
EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III
EF 17-40mm f/4L

And, of course, there are 4 different 70-200 options right now.

So I don't think Canon would have any problem with selling three variants of the 24-70 lens

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2018, 08:10:46 AM »
Given the way full frame video is going and Canon move with the EF85mm f1.4L IS USM the EF50mm f1.4L IS USM is in the works. The current CN-E 50 T1.3L cine lens is long in the tooth and behind the industry best and given what Sigma, Ziess etc. have done Canon will be able to repurpose a EF50mm f1.4L IS USM lens as a cine variant.

The need for a EF24-70mm f2.8L IS USM is not in doubt and is a prerequisite to maintain the holy trinity.
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2018, 08:10:46 AM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2018, 08:27:23 AM »
Wasn’t there some reports of the lens coating peeling or flaking off on a number of the 24-70 2.8 II units?  Here is a iii with a new coating. Be happy with the upgrade.  😏

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2018, 09:18:13 AM »
Also, keeping a 24-70 f/2.8L III  in the lineup means they can add a nice price markup on the inevitable IS version.
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2018, 09:20:25 AM »
Keeping two 24-70mm 2.8's plus an f/4 version?  I don't think this would be practical from manufacturing, inventory, or marketing standpoints.  And then there is repair support.

Well, let's see:

L-series Ultrawide angle lenses (excluding the 11-24)

EF 16-35mm f/4L IS
EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III
EF 17-40mm f/4L

And, of course, there are 4 different 70-200 options right now.

So I don't think Canon would have any problem with selling three variants of the 24-70 lens

Is the 17-40 still in production?  Of course they will sell off inventory.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2018, 09:57:29 AM »
There are so many lenses Canon could update instead, many 20-25 year old designs. The M system could use a few higher quality zooms also. I don't understand how Sigma, a much smaller company can release many more new lenses a year, same for Tamron, even Olympus or Fuji.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2018, 10:00:26 AM »
Let's bring new body's colour with same optics  ::)

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2018, 10:17:52 AM »
I think an update is needed but not only is IS required, but I'm not very impressed with the resolution and contrast of the lens in the edges and corners of the current lens. I'd like to see its optics upgraded.

The 24-70 f2.8L II is fantastic. One of the best IQ lenses in its range. Even in the corners

It is wonderful, isn't it? Very sharp. I'm even impressed with the bokeh at 70mm. What a lens. Just a great lens. IS would be great for those shots with slower shutter speeds, but what a lens.
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2018, 10:17:52 AM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2018, 10:58:34 AM »
I suspect that a 24-70 f/2.8 L III no-IS would be made mostly if there was a manufacturing process improvement that lowered the cost of making the lens. That's what I think has happened with the 70-200 f/2.8 L IS III. Now, the 70-200 f/4 L IS II has user significant improvement in IS, I understand.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2018, 11:02:32 AM »
Maybe the f/4 version will be first to be officially discontinued?

That wouldn't make much sense, IMHO.  It's an engineering marvel -- I'm not aware of any other 24-70 with a nearly 1:1 macro onboard, and it is a more compact option for FF users than a 24-105 f/4 or 24-70 f/2.8.  I love my 24-70 f/4L IS.

If canon support 6 70-200s (surely 4 in the longer term once they shut down the f/2.8L IS II and f/4L IS I) and 3 16ish-35ish UWAs, I think Canon can offer three in the 24-70 zoom range.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2018, 11:02:32 AM »