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Gear Talk => Lenses => Topic started by: FunPhotons on March 18, 2013, 05:10:43 PM

Title: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 18, 2013, 05:10:43 PM
Is this a good price for this lens without a scratch on it?
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: Click on March 18, 2013, 05:20:21 PM
It's a very good price.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: RGF on March 18, 2013, 05:23:59 PM
If you trust the description buy it (and flip it on ebay) for an easy $500-1500
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: neuroanatomist on March 18, 2013, 05:32:49 PM
It might be too good...
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: RS2021 on March 18, 2013, 06:29:34 PM
It might be too good...
LOL! I'll second that.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: Atonegro on March 18, 2013, 07:05:03 PM
It might be too good...
LOL! I'll second that.

Me too.
Test it before buying !
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 18, 2013, 07:47:14 PM
It's from a old friend of my Dad's so the source is totally trustworthy. I think I heard she does some Nat Geo photography but that might be hyperbole.

Anyhow she wants lighter lenses (getting older) and is upgrading to the II's. I'm not really looking for a 600 and not looking to spend this much, but I'm wondering if it's a deal I can't pass up?
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: Click on March 18, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
I think it's a great deal. You should take it.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: RS2021 on March 18, 2013, 08:00:01 PM
It's from a old friend of my Dad's so the source is totally trustworthy. I think I heard she does some Nat Geo photography but that might be hyperbole.

Anyhow she wants lighter lenses (getting older) and is upgrading to the II's. I'm not really looking for a 600 and not looking to spend this much, but I'm wondering if it's a deal I can't pass up?

If it is a known source with family connection, I guess you should consider it.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: DanoPhoto on March 18, 2013, 08:21:39 PM
If you pass on the deal, send it my way.  really good price for great glass.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: Halfrack on March 18, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
If nothing else, get it, with the stated condition if you flip it you split the profit with her.

You may find that you love the reach out and tickle anyone, but make sure you bring an assistant around to carry it.  Do you have a tripod and head able to hold the weight?
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: camerabug on March 18, 2013, 09:24:47 PM
Jump on  it if it's within the family and its in the condition said.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: East Wind Photography on March 18, 2013, 10:25:51 PM
Yep jump on it.  Used ones from trustworthy sources are close to 7000.00.  For 5K you should get it.  Good investment.  You will also get a good workout hauling it around.

You will also need a very heavy duty tripod and a gimbal head like a wimberly.  Expect to spend around 1K just for those....unless your contact has one too they are willing to sell.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: magical on March 19, 2013, 02:29:41 AM
I paid $6400 cad last year for a very good condition (yeah some scratches but I expected this, but nothing that doesn't add some character! I am so happy! at 5k worth a look!!
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 19, 2013, 05:44:52 AM
Yeah I have a tripod and monopod that can handle it (Gitzo + RRS).

I'm just not sure if I'm ready for a lens that big, I've been waiting until retirement to get into the big boys.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: East Wind Photography on March 19, 2013, 07:39:50 AM
Unfortunately it is a very heavy lens.  Don't wait for retirement. You might not be able to handle it well.  Only the 800 f5.6l is heavier.  If you find out its too heavy for you sell it for a profit or trade it in toward the 500 f4l II



Yeah I have a tripod and monopod that can handle it (Gitzo + RRS).

I'm just not sure if I'm ready for a lens that big, I've been waiting until retirement to get into the big boys.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: emag on March 19, 2013, 09:13:26 AM
Is this a good price for this lens without a scratch on it?
Short answer:  Yes
Longer answer:  Yes indeed!
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 19, 2013, 10:23:18 AM
Oh man, you guys aren't helping my bank account.

Seriously???? Aggggggggg, indecision ....
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: Skirball on March 19, 2013, 11:32:54 AM
Oh man, you guys aren't helping my bank account.

Seriously???? Aggggggggg, indecision ....

Ok, I'll help.  No, don't buy it.  Don't buy something you weren't in the market for just because it's a good deal.  Good deals come and go all the time.  $5k is a lot of money to me, I wouldn't spend it on something I don't really want.  Recognize that you're asking for advise on a forum full of people that are obsessed with gear, and weigh accordingly.

As far as buying and reselling, make sure your friend is OK with that.  I'd assume she's giving you the family friend discount, it'd be rude to turn around and sell it for cash.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: East Wind Photography on March 19, 2013, 11:53:16 AM
I have one and the 600 is a great lens.  My previous was a 300 2.8L with 1 .4 extender and while good it still did not have the reach or sharpness this one gives.  Add a 1.4 extender and you have 840mm and that's before any chip crop factor multiplier.  Just like a new macro lens, you will find a new world to explore with it and if you choose to keep it will still serve you well into retirement....though you might need to hire a caddie to help you with it.

Oh man, you guys aren't helping my bank account.

Seriously???? Aggggggggg, indecision ....
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 19, 2013, 03:38:25 PM
Oh man, you guys aren't helping my bank account.

Seriously???? Aggggggggg, indecision ....

Ok, I'll help.  No, don't buy it.  Don't buy something you weren't in the market for just because it's a good deal.  Good deals come and go all the time.  $5k is a lot of money to me, I wouldn't spend it on something I don't really want.  Recognize that you're asking for advise on a forum full of people that are obsessed with gear, and weigh accordingly.

As far as buying and reselling, make sure your friend is OK with that.  I'd assume she's giving you the family friend discount, it'd be rude to turn around and sell it for cash.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Still don't know what to do.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: Click on March 19, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
The Choice Is Yours  ;)
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: rporterfield on March 19, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
One piece of advice I have always heard was, if you have to ask, then you probably shouldn't do it.

That aside, you need to ask yourself two questions:
1.  Is it a lens you want?
2.  If yes to 1, can you comfortably afford it now at the asking price.

If the answer to either question is no, then pass on it.  Otherwise, if the answer to both is yes, then go for it.  It is a great lens at a great price.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 20, 2013, 09:22:18 AM
OK thanks guys.

I decided to get it, I can afford it, I would like it, and it seems like too good an opportunity to pass up.

I decided to view it basically as a rental or try before you buy. I'll use it to decide how much I like wildlife photography, if I do then I got a great lens for a great price. If not then I can always sell it.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: neuroanatomist on March 20, 2013, 09:44:06 AM
Yeah I have a tripod and monopod that can handle it (Gitzo + RRS).

By way of potentially spending more of your money, you may have a ballhead that can support the weight (my RRS BH-55 would do fine) but you don't want to use a ballhead with a long supertele.  If you don't have one, you'll want to get yourself a gimbal head - a Wimberley II or RRS PG-02.  The problem with a ballhead is that the weight is balanced above the pivot point, meaning a high potential for the lens to flop over, minimally slamming the lens into a tripod leg, possibly pulling the whole rig to the ground.  With a gimbal, the weight is balanced below the pivot point (in effect) which means if you let the lens go, it just stays put. 

There are side mount gimbals, that use your existing ballhead dropped 90° into the notch, the Wimberley Sidekick is the best known example.  A robust ballhead can handle a supertele like that, but with the 600 I, I'd recommend going with a regular gimbal head, not a sidekick-type.

Oh, and if you don't have one you may want to consider a leveling base for your tripod.  No need with a ballhead, but makes life easier when using a gimbal.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 20, 2013, 10:20:49 AM
Yeah I have a tripod and monopod that can handle it (Gitzo + RRS).

By way of potentially spending more of your money, you may have a ballhead that can support the weight (my RRS BH-55 would do fine) but you don't want to use a ballhead with a long supertele.  If you don't have one, you'll want to get yourself a gimbal head - a Wimberley II or RRS PG-02.  The problem with a ballhead is that the weight is balanced above the pivot point, meaning a high potential for the lens to flop over, minimally slamming the lens into a tripod leg, possibly pulling the whole rig to the ground.  With a gimbal, the weight is balanced below the pivot point (in effect) which means if you let the lens go, it just stays put. 

Thanks, good points. Yes I have the RRS BH-55 too, also their big monopod head.

I'm familiar with the issues you mention because another hobby of mine is astronomy (now there's an expensive hobby!) I have a small 'hiking' portable Cass with the following mount

https://www.astronomics.com/astro-tech-voyager-altazimuth-mount_p15058.aspx (https://www.astronomics.com/astro-tech-voyager-altazimuth-mount_p15058.aspx)

It's got a different sized dovetail but maybe there's an adaptor out there. It's a great mount.

Or maybe I'll just buy the Wimberly or more likely the RRS.

Or maybe just the monopod, I'm used to hauling telescopes around so I'm kind of laughing at a 11 pound lens. No idea, we'll see.

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Oh, and if you don't have one you may want to consider a leveling base for your tripod.  No need with a ballhead, but makes life easier when using a gimbal.

Excellent tip
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: neuroanatomist on March 20, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
One more item to consider might be a replacement lens foot.  You could attach a lens plate to the Canon foot, but I prefer the integrated replacement foot.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: East Wind Photography on March 20, 2013, 10:35:46 AM
I know you mentioned this in some other forums but which one do you recommend?  I'm considering replacing the one on my 600 F4L IS but wondering what I would actually get for my $$$.

One more item to consider might be a replacement lens foot.  You could attach a lens plate to the Canon foot, but I prefer the integrated replacement foot.
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: neuroanatomist on March 20, 2013, 10:44:35 AM
I know you mentioned this in some other forums but which one do you recommend?  I'm considering replacing the one on my 600 F4L IS but wondering what I would actually get for my $$$.

What you get is a lower profile than the Canon foot with a lens plate attached, for not too much more $$ than the lens plate. 

For the 600 II, I went with the RRS foot for these reasons (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9968.msg213492#msg213492).  The balance issues don't appear to apply to the 600 I, so I'd think either the RRS or the Kirk foot would be good.  I'd still skip the Wimberley since it can't be used as a handle to carry the lens. 
Title: Re: 600mm f/4l IS for $5k - good price?
Post by: FunPhotons on March 21, 2013, 05:52:41 AM
Update; I ended up passing on it. I'm not really ready for such a lens now, I'm going to stick to my plan and probably get one when I 'retire' in about 8 years. By then maybe they'll have released the 200-400  :P