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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Hi ISO Critique
« on: April 08, 2013, 09:38:09 AM »
Hi RonQ,

I'm not a pro but I will try to do my best to help you. I understood you just took that picture for testing purposes and that you simply want to know how to improve this particular photo using Lightroom. People already indicated that the exposure is not the best here.

My workflow for this would be:
- set the whitebalance (try to use the door in the background) - noise will look less disturbing in my opinion
- set the sharpening amount to 0 (will do sharpening after noise removal)
- There is color noise in the image. Zoom to 100% and move the color noise slider until it disappears. (dark areas have more color noise)
- Set luminance noise reduction to at least 80 or even 90. Yes you will loose detail. You can't avoid that at ISO12800.
- set sharpening amount  to maximum to begin (will decrease that value later)
- This scene has no fine details, so you can use a much higher masking value in the sharpening tab. Press and hold the ALT key while moving the 'masking' slider up. You will see white lines. The correct masking value will be the one when you can only see the outline of the edges of the door and the wall.
- 'detail' will try to bring out detail in that shot. There is not much detail but straight lines. High detail values increase noise. I'd set it to 1 here. You could also press and hold the ALT key and look at the picture at 100%, too much detail will emphasize the noise.
- My feeling tells me a radius of 1.2 is okay here (again, try to press and hold the ALT key)
- Set the sharpening to about 90 or any value which you think is enough. Pre-sharpening can only be seen properly at 100%.
- Export the image. LR will add output sharpening to the picture. This step is important.

The workflow above will look weird for photos of people. They will look like if they have a skin made of wax. It might work for this image here tough.

Question is what you are planning to do with the pictures. Print them? Publishing on the web? Pixel peep for noise? It also depends on your viewing distance / size of the final picture. The settings would be different for each.

There are also very good 3rd party noise removal tools like Nik Dfine 2, available for download for a 30 day testing period.

Sorry for my clumsy english - reading is not an issue but writing is hard :-)
Thanks for the info..... Depending on the client.  Sometimes they want them printed and others just want them on disk.... I'll try to adjust some of these settings in post and see what the result is.  I have to agree with Mt. Spokane, using the 16-35 in low light will give different results than a 24-70 or 50 prime.....

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Hi ISO Critique
« on: April 08, 2013, 09:33:42 AM »
[I'm a portrait and wedding photographer and I was testing the limits on shooting indoors with hi ISO on the 5D3.  Shutter 1/200 in my opinion is the minimum for indoor and hand held use during a reception..... Also, in wedding photography, tripods are hardly used...... And, I own a great tripod!!

RonQ, Wedding images are definitely going to pose different issues than a static super wide angle scene.  In those, people, not a interior will be what you are trying to optimize. 
 
I shoot low level theater events, probably tougher or as togh as bad conditions at a wedding.
 
Here is one at ISO 1600 with my 5D MK III .  The subjects are moving, but not quickly.
 
This one (below) was at ISO 25600, a lot more noise.
 
Ahh, you're right.... I will mainly use my 24-70 and 50 prime for low light and not the 16-35.  I see in your photos that we've got similar noise right out of the camera.
Thanks.

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Hi ISO Critique
« on: April 07, 2013, 04:30:20 PM »
Solution - buy a tripod. Critique... your shutter speed was 1/200, it could have easily been 1/50 and would have been sharper thanks to a lower ISO.
Thanks Nathaniel...... I agree with you if I'm shooting interior homes for a living.  However, I'm a portrait and wedding photographer and I was testing the limits on shooting indoors with hi ISO on the 5D3.  Shutter 1/200 in my opinion is the minimum for indoor and hand held use during a reception..... Also, in wedding photography, tripods are hardly used...... And, I own a great tripod!!

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Hi ISO Critique
« on: April 07, 2013, 03:33:39 PM »
I'm wondering why you did not add supplemental lighting.  I do use High ISO settings, but only where proper lighting would spoil the mood, or where it is not allowed or not possible.
This might be a good situation to use a TS lens.
 
I cannot see the exposure slider in the image, so I wonder if the shot was underexposed.  You only have about 5 stops of DR at ISO 12800, so you must have perfect exposure.
I was merely attempting to test the limit on the 5D3 with high ISO and used natural light.  Take a look at the exposure slider, did not touch it at all. I did adjust highlight, shadows, white & blacks.

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5D MK III Sample Images / Hi ISO Critique
« on: April 07, 2013, 01:14:32 PM »
Hello Everyone,
Need critique on this image I took at home with ISO 12800.  I just took a screen shot from my PC in lightroom to show everything.  Sharpened to 40 and I reduced noise level luminance to 50 and the image zoomed in does not look so good, however, at normal size on the left looks decent.  What do you guys think? 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Should I buy the 5D mark III ?
« on: March 17, 2013, 10:57:14 AM »
I have both, I use my MK3 as a primary and my MK2 as my second for weddings and event photography.  In low light the MK3 locks on really fast and even with ISO set at 3200, I see very little grain in the photos. I would say it depends on what you're using it for..... There is s learning curve with the MK3, it's different than the MK2, worth it in my opinion.   

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PW and Canon RT can't trigger each other.  Different freqs, different protocols.

You'd need the 600EX-RT on a Flex TT5 to trigger it. Or, go all Canon with an ST-E3-RT or a second 600 on the camera to trigger the 600 (but the 580 can't be radio triggered without a 3rd party trigger, or at all by the ST-E3).
Got it neuroanatomist!  So I would need to buy an additional set of PW's, a Mini TT1 on camera body and a Flex TT5 on the 600EX-RT??

Also, one other question, will the PLUS III do the same thing?

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Hey guys, I'm looking for some advise and assistance...

I have a 5D2 & 5D3 with 1 580EX2 Flash.  I'm using the flash with a set of 1 Mini TT1 & Flex TT5 on either body.  I'm looking to purchase a new 600EX-RT however, I'm not sure if I just need to buy 1 Mini TT1 or both the Mini TT1 and Flex TT5 PW?

I know the 600EX is wireless, so, can I get away with having a PW Mini TT1 on my 5D3 to trigger the flash? 

What in your opinion is the best way to do this set-up so I can trigger the flash off camera?

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom 4.2 update
« on: October 04, 2012, 05:48:34 PM »
So last night I upgraded to LR4.2 and as before the issue is in the develop module, everytime I attempt to use a brush, the lagging is driving me nuts.  It's gotten worse with the upgrade, not sure if I'm missing something... But I'm tempted to go back to 4.0!
That is strange, 4.2 is much faster for me, and lagging of the brush for 5D MK II or three was not a issue.  It was for D800, but is now better.
I have my catalog on a SSD, and my files on a separate internal HDD.  Its a huge catalog, and I only optimize occasionally due to the long time it takes.
I thought so too.  I run my software on a SSD and all my files are on 3 other internal drives, running 16GB ram with an i7 quad core processor.  So I know it's not PC performance, everything else in LR runs very fast except the develop module.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom 4.2 update
« on: October 04, 2012, 02:25:41 PM »
So last night I upgraded to LR4.2 and as before the issue is in the develop module, everytime I attempt to use a brush, the lagging is driving me nuts.  It's gotten worse with the upgrade, not sure if I'm missing something... But I'm tempted to go back to 4.0!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D2 & Strobe Light Question
« on: July 13, 2012, 03:45:07 PM »
I'd use the custom white balance setting. Grab a white balance gray card, or just a white piece of printer paper

Whatever you do, don't use plain printer paper. Such paper has fluorescent optical brightening agents in it and is actually blue. Some can be strikingly blue. Because the color comes from UV fluorescence, the color of the paper changes depending on the UV content of the light. And the paper substrate (that they then saturate with fluorescent dyes) is usually rather yellow.

Styrofoam coffee cups are actually superlative white balance tools. They have a flat spectral reflection (the only thing that matters) of about 80% (which is good for this sort of thing). And, their curved shape lets you sample all the lighting in the scene in one shot. Such a cup will probably be too small for an in-camera custom white balance, but a lot of packaging material is made from the same stuff, and that'd work well. Use the sheet for in-camera white balance, but take a shot of the cup for later use in RAW processing (and eyedropper from different parts of the cup to see the range of light source colors in the scene).

If you have any sheets of high quality matte photo paper, that's a good option, too. Canon Fine Art Watercolor, Red River Aurora Natural, and Hanhemule Photo Rag are all excellent choices. It might be a bit too reflective for your stage, but Tyvek (that un-tearable stuff that envelopes are often made out of) is another option, and the back side of Canon's large format Tyvek Banner media is uncoated Tyvek. Tyvek actually has about 98% reflectivity, and is only bested by (pure) Teflon. But I'm guessing you don't want to spend as much on a 24" Spectralon target as you would on a 1-series body....

Cheers,

b&
I found this type of packing material.  Took it with my iPhone, is this what you are reffering to?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D2 & Strobe Light Question
« on: July 13, 2012, 01:08:51 PM »

Use the Flash WB preset. I still use some novatron flashes from 2003 and they've been quite reliable.
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Does it hit the WB everytime?  My Novatron is 10 years old and still kicken.  If you're interested, I found a guy in TX that will repair any Novatron equipment, he was actually an engineer for them and knows what to do.  He'll actually replace your flash heads for a decent price.  The only issue I ran across is the power pack I have is a 5 prong plug and the new lights reuire a 6 prong plug.  I found an adapter to go from 5 pin to 6.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D2 & Strobe Light Question
« on: July 13, 2012, 01:02:45 PM »
I'd use the custom white balance setting. Grab a white balance gray card, or just a white piece of printer paper, have the someone hold it once the lighting is more or less setup, and use that to set the white balance. Simple, easy. Plus the editor can use that image to set the white balance separately or tweak it in post if they prefer. Once you have the WB set to a static value, it's simple for the editor to get white balance to the setting desired in the first image, and then paste those settings to everything else quickly and easily.

90mm TS for studio work? Interesting, I've never show with a TS, but that seems like an interesting choice.

I don't know your specific needs, but with the 24-70, I'd rent one of the 70-200L or the 135L lenses to complement if you are doing more portraiture type shots.
Thanks for the feedback. 
You would not happen to have a step by step using either a grey card or white piece paper?  I'm not familiar with setting the WB that way...
For the 90mm TS lens, I'm shooting products (high end dinner plates and silverware).  They want the image to be sharp only in certain areas (focal plane). 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / 5D2 & Strobe Light Question
« on: July 13, 2012, 12:17:39 PM »
Hey guys,
I'm hoping someone can give me some direction on what mode to set the white balance to when shooting with a 3 light strobe set-up?  I typically leave it on auto WB and tweak it in post production; however, this time I'll have the editor, stylist, and publisher of the magazine at the shoot wanting to see every image sent to my iPad for review.  I would like to hit the WB on the spot and not have to explain that we can fix in post.. 

I’m using a 5D MK2, 90mm TS lens, 50mm f1.4, and 24-70 f2.8.  Firing with PW to a 3 light strobe set-up by Novatron with 1 large softbox and 2 umbrellas.

Thanks

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Lenses / Re: Best Lens for Tabletop Dinnerware Shoot
« on: June 29, 2012, 03:32:38 PM »
For tableware closeups, the TSE-90 is excellent.  Lighting might be a big concern, reflections are killers.
Even if I use a 3 light softbox set-up?

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