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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

« on: April 16, 2012, 07:12:39 PM »

Watched what Shane did with this Camera and was blown away. Again it seems Canon's advantages can't be put on the spec sheet (C300 images looks way better than what the specs indicate). The images is just beautiful out of this camera, also skin tones.

$15k for a 4K camera that records internally on little CF cards is amazing. It does has cons, but I think it's not priced too high at all.

The Blackmagic camera got me exited until I found out the sensor size and watched the test videos here: http://vimeopro.com/johnbrawleytests/blackmagic-cinema-camera

Test videos are so soft etc.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: READ THE PRESS RELEASE...

« on: April 14, 2012, 09:01:38 PM »

“The Canon EOS-1D C digital SLR camera was designed in response to the needs of filmmakers, television producers, and other high-level motion-imaging professionals,” stated Yuichi Ishizuka, executive vice president and general manager, Imaging Technologies & Communications Group, Canon U.S.A. “Not only does it combine 4K and Full HD video capture with a convenient design, its use of dual CF cards also offers an efficient workflow compatible with today’s post-production requirements.”

If you're not in that group of people above then why are you complaining about the price?

Clearly Canon understands who its target audience is and clearly some people would like to think they're part of a group that quite clearly they're not.

I understand your logic, but in this case why a DSLR? This isn't what "high-level motion-imaging professionals" need.
Thisisnot a specialized video camera, super basic features like SDI or XLR are missing, i mean even the display is 3:2, not even 16:9 !!
This is just an unlocked 1DX

I can clear this up easily.

Form Factor.

Take for example the episode of house that was shot on the 5D2, The reason why they used that camera was due to its size, it was able to produce nice pictures and be able to be positioned in awkward spots to attain the best angles. Something that you can not do with a camera in a rig/cage or large footprint (ARRI etc).

The 1D-C increases the viewing format but keeps the form factor.

Its that simple.

As for those bitching about the price, its like point & shoot users complaining the xD series are too expensive. When in reality an xxxD would suit their needs.

I'm with you. As a filmmaker I would love this camera. High resolution in a small dslr form factor. Also it'll do great stills. Sold! However, I can't afford it. Just because I can't afford it doesn't mean Canon are out their minds when pricing it at 15k. Just means I need to work on gaining better gigs.

Honestly there is no other camera like this. A 4k dslr that stores media on CF cards.

I also see people making mistakes when comparing this camera to others. Sony's FS700 looks amazing, however it won't have the form factor of the 1DX C and it's not just $8k. You have to buy an external recorder that will cost thousands. Does great slow-motion, but I'll take resolution over that.

The RED Scarlet cost more than $10 to put you in the position to shoot. Then you have to buy their expensive storage cards.

What I don't see being mentioned is the fact that these Canon cameras are editing ready. They're ready to be used in your NLE system now. For RED cameras you need to change up your entire workflow.

$15k is a bit steep, I'm thinking it'll drop to a little over $10k. If so, hopefully people will stop whining. Consumers seem to want it all at dirt cheap.

The best bargain is the FS100 right now. However if you want something that provides more, you're going to have to pay more. In all actuality, $15k is pretty cheap.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

« on: April 12, 2012, 10:58:32 AM »

The price may change just like the C300 did. The C300 was listed at $20,000.

Honestly this camera is attacking the Red Scarlet and I think it's awesome and priced right.  However, that $5k - $8k range is important. Canon needs to put something there. Hell, change the price of this 4K DSLR to $8k and people will be amazed.

If I had the money, I'll get this camera. It's what I want, just priced out of my range. I'll rent it for when I shoot a feature for sure.

It may come down in price by the time it's available. Currently it's too close to the C300 and I'm sure they'll want to set them apart by at least $3k.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Cinema EOS Above the C300?

« on: April 10, 2012, 10:13:50 AM »

If this is true, Canon would be stupid to not have another camera to satisfy people who're looking at the $5k - $7k range.

It would truly be stupid, Sony will grab the market easily. Also don't sleep on Panasonic. That AF100 is due for an upgrade.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cinema DSLR Price?

« on: March 26, 2012, 06:18:28 PM »

I think the whole reason they are putting this in a DSLR body is an effort to make it reasonably priced.  They don't have to worry about developing a body for it, they can just use an existing skeleton.  I say somewhere in the $5k-$7k range, you figure it's just a basic DSLR body with a super awesome sensor, subtract the autofocus, high fps, and all the other photo features and it seems perfectly reasonable that it would be somewhere in that range.  Also they could just put an EVF on it and take out the mirrors and whatnot.  I don't think it will have built-in ND filters, XLR inputs, or an external monitor like the C300 or anything, so I'm sure they can keep the cost fairly reasonable. 

So 1DX body, HD-SDI outs, dual Digic 5+, and 4k sensor that does 24fps/30fps/60fps would be awesome.  Also I'm sure it'll have some crazy frame rates at 2K, possibly 120fps (which would be sick for slowmo).

There are some people that are going to say $10k+ solely based on the fact that it's "4K," because that number means everything    It's not going to be better than the C300, the C300 will remain the flagship for now.   

I agree. I think the 4K camera will lack the XLR ports, ND filters, monitor, etc. The C300 will also be better in terms of DR and low light. 4K doesn't automatically mean better, I don't know why people think that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Teases Exclusive Screening at NAB 2012

« on: March 26, 2012, 11:16:28 AM »

4k is nice, but I'd be perfectly happy getting the C300 image quality in a much cheaper camera. If that has to be a DSLR, then fine. I'll buy.

4k, yes. Better DR and low light performance than the c300? Doubtful.

Exactly. That's all they need to do to justify the difference in price. "This shoots 4k and is awesome, but the C300 gives you more range and better low light performance". Pros will go with the C300, indie filmmakers will grab the 4k camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cinema EOS 4K Camera [CR1]

« on: March 26, 2012, 11:07:27 AM »

Why would I want a cinema camera to have the form factor of a 1D?! I won't be taking pictures with it, and heaven knows I won't be doing any portrait video work with it.

I'm also getting pretty impatient. I need a new camera but the 5DMIII isn't worth the jump. If their going to make us wait they should at least release specs so we know what we're waiting for.

What do you guys think? Would you want a video camera to have the form factor of the 1D?

One thing we filmmakers love about DSLRs is how small they are. Also still picture cameras are more accepted on the streets than video cameras. Trust me here in NY you'll get cops walking up to you if you're holding a video camera but they're fine with still cameras. Even if you explain to them that all the camera is doing is taking pictures very fast to create the illusion of motion lol.

So yes I'm happy it's in a DSLR form. That means I can be more versatile with where I place the camera and I can also blend in with the stills crowd, not drawing too much attention to myself. This also means that our current gear should work with this no problem.

They just need to price it right and give us some overall great features. If I was Canon I'll look at what the FS100 has and just top them with the 4k and price it like $1,000 more. Maybe around the $6,000 range.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cinema DSLR Price?

« on: March 26, 2012, 10:57:00 AM »

$6,000 - $7,000 to compete with the FS100 (although that camera is quickly dropping in price). I think the C300 will battle the F3 and the Cinema DSLR will battle the FS100. That's my opinion based on nothing really lol.

I think if Canon price it around the $6,500 mark, people will be happy. Or at least create two versions: 4K version for $8,000 and a True 1080p version for $6,000+.

If the 4K version is priced at $6,000 - $7,000 I'll create 1080p images with it in lieu of 4k. It'll look even more amazing like the C300's 1080p quality.

NAB is around the corner. I think they made the 5D3 more for stills and only slightly improved the video function for a reason. Canon wants to split their market. Video and Stills. Which is smart because they can save money by taking away some photo functions etc.

I see websites reviewing the 5D3 as if it was meant to be for video and I think they're making a mistake. It's clearly photo first. Canon just need to price things right. The Hollywood setting for the C300 made me think the camera would be expensive and I was right. However, NAB can go either way.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Teases Exclusive Screening at NAB 2012

« on: March 10, 2012, 12:59:59 PM »

The question then will be will they bother?

True 4K HD is still at least 4-5 years away.
Even LG's new 4K tv's are of the 3840x2160 resolution (or if you play back a 3D blue ray disc you get dual 1080p screens instead of dual 540p on a standard Full HD 1080 screen when playing 3D)

Once there is a market for such stupidly high resolutions, i.e. when we have somewhere to display them where we don't have to sit on top of the screen to see the benefit. Then and only then will companies like Canon will come out with a true 4K camera.

It will be 8MP, there is no need for any more than that, its not meant to be a stills camera and the pictures you see are basically production stills to help with lighting and framing etc.

They don't need to be super detailed.

One of the reasons we shoot in 4K is for cropping and stabilization purposes.  If we're delivering 1080p and shooting 1080p we have no latitude to change the framing, or to cut out the borders to stabilize a shaky shot if it was handheld or vehicle mounted.  With 4K we get a lot more choices in post.

Exactly. You have that master shot where the actor gave an amazing performance and your CU shots isn't as good. With 4K you can create a CU shot from that master shot by cropping in. That's what is awesome.

You can shoot 4k, edit, and perhaps output in 1080p for amazing resolution. Basically you have options with 4K.

Hopefully this isn't just the Ron Howard screening. Hoping to see this camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Teases Exclusive Screening at NAB 2012

« on: March 09, 2012, 09:04:08 PM »

I expect it to be in the $4,000 - $6,000 range to compete with the FS100. The C300 competes with the F3.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5d Mark III vs Nikon D800!!!

« on: March 01, 2012, 12:06:26 PM »

Basing purely off of a spec list isn't too smart imo. Rather see the cameras' performance.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]

« on: February 18, 2012, 04:17:43 PM »

If the 4K body was this close to release then wouldnt it have made sense for Canon to show/tell more about it at the C300 launch? I got the impression that it was still some way away and was included only to counteract RED's release.

I been lurking this site for a while now and felt it's obvious that most aren't cinematographers/videographers because many don't understand the C300's purpose and feel that the 4k DSLR will be undercutting the C300. Which is understandable, these cameras are photography cameras first.

I finally took the time to register for the site (YAY!). I'm a filmmaker and I'm looking forward to the new 5D and the 4K DSLR camera.

The truth is the Canon C300's market is for Broadcast and professional event videos, not film. Sure it can easily be used for film and if you have it, I say use it for that as well (1080p is still dominate, and it's amazing in low light). However, the C300 is built around meeting the broadcast requirements not the needs of filmmakers. With that being said, the announcement in Hollywood truly confuses the audience. They should have announced it in a different way.

The 4k camera seems to be targeted towards filmmakers. I expect it to have a recording limit like our current DSLRs have. This isn't much of an issue for filmmakers because rarely is take 12 mins long. Most are under a minute or so. Films require more resolution than broadcasting (1080p).

Canon can justify both cameras being available. If I was mainly a wedding videographer I'll go with the C300 for its recording time, battery life, and for its impressive 1080p resolution (don't need 4k for weddings). For my films, I'll go with the 4K DSLR. Mainly for 4K (so we can have amazing resolution that allows you to sometimes be able to re-frame in post), 10-bit (Canon knows we want that) for color grading, and mobile form factor.

That's the way I see it. Loving the info you guys are providing. Keep it coming.