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East Wind & takesome1, thank you for your perspective as 1D X owners.  I had a feeling it wasn't quite as great as hyped (compared to the 1D X), but it still sounds like a huge leap over the 7D.  I think I'll keep an eye out for a refurb down the road, but the 1D X and 5DIII serve my needs just fine.

Also, keep in mind that Art Morris has pretty specific needs when it comes to AF, so I'm not surprised that he's more annoyed by this than most people.

Personally I think the 7d2 format offers. A Few advantages over the 1dx.  However if it can't produce an In focus image even 50 percent of the time, it's not really worth it.  A t2i produces more keepers. Just to put it Into perspective.

For my use the only advantage is the small increase in resolution the 7D II provides. It is only an advantage on very small subjects like birds and then only if they are static. (focal length limited situations). I do not trust it yet as a body for pictures of animals and birds that are rare opportunities or action. So for my purposes it is a tweety bird and bunny rabbit camera only.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Canon EOS-7D Mark II AF Grid Void
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:08:23 PM »
I am not annoyed by it, but honestly on still and slow moving subjects  I keep thinking 65 points on a crop sensor is a bit of overkill.

I find other things to complain about with the AF system though. Precision being the most prevalent and the ability to pick up a small point the next.

The comparison was made that it is the 1 D x's little brother. I hate car comparisons but the 7D II to the 1D X is more like a fully loaded Volt compared to a fully loaded Tahoe.  Both will get you where you are going, with AC and XM radio, but if you have driven both you definitely notice the difference.

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Lenses / Re: I'm conflicted please help
« on: January 26, 2015, 05:46:28 PM »
Looking at the 500 mkii with the 1.4x or the 300 mkii with both mkiii converters.

I shot an mki 500 in Africa for 4 days and loved it. I can't imagine I would dislike the 500 mkii but I'm concerned the 300 f2.8 would be a nice option.


You used the 500mm version I, the largest improvement from I to version II is the weight and improved IS.
It is much easier to hand hold than the old version, with the 1.4x it is great at 700mm. Put the 70d on it and you would get a small resolution advantage for small birds.

A bit more resolution with the new II, but the old version was great also.

I have had both the 300 and 500 for years. If I had to pick just one to own I would take the 500mm every time.

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To follow up earlier post ...  right on target, so many DSLR's out in an audience, and all clicking away, at least one or two are bound to "get lucky" and hit a 'reasonably decent shot', and offer it for peanuts or free.   

No no no no no, that is absolutely not what this is about. It is about making some of the best general sports photographers in the world freelancers rather than staffers. It means no more gear budget, no more medical benefit costs, no more post processing staff and equipment and the office space and cost they incur, no more travel expenses etc etc, it is about cost cutting not about buying the one shot a fan might have, those fans will never get the access and they will never get the releases, heck most high end sports venues have 8" lens limitations.

The same photographers will be shooting the same venues with the same gear, SI will not have any of the costs associated with getting a photographer, or photographic team, to a venue and they will have the ability to buy any freelancers images if they want to.

What will happen is the ex staff photographers won't make as much effort to try new stuff, they will have to concentrate on bankable sale-able images first and foremost because they now have gear budgets, travel costs, and health insurance, to pay out of whatever they can sell on the market.

This is true, most venues limit the fans equipment. They will not be in the location or spot to get the great shots.
I go as a fan to the local NBA teams  games occasionally. I have gear better than or equal to any of the photogs setting on the floor. I have met the General Manager of the team and the local News Paper staff in a profesional setting. It's very easy to pick up the phone and offer my services for nothing, so I could sit court side at a spot in front of people who pay close to $1000 per seat. I wouldn't do it, not because I lack the skill but it is just to much work.
These guys are in a profession that people are giving it away cheap or free. I will not do it but I bet others do.
Unfortunate for these SI guys, pursuing their chosen profession is getting tougher to make a decent living.

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Why do you need staff photographers when there are thousands of people at major sporting events with DSLR's giving their photographs away for free.

These guys may starve to death free lance.

Looking at comments from a news article yesterday, there were many people with DSLR's offering to shoot the swimsuit editions for free.

I would throw my name in to that drawing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 24, 2015, 08:28:57 PM »
you think this will be the EOS 3D?

Wouldn't it require two lenses to be a 3D camera?

I think 2D would make more sense.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 24, 2015, 07:57:08 PM »
Why wait until March and not CP+??  At this point, a month shouldn't make a difference.

A month means greater ROI on the existing model.

Or possibly this; (cut from Wikipedia)

"The Canon EOS 5D Mark III is a professional full-frame digital single-lens reflex (DSLR) camera made by Canon. It has a 22.3 megapixel CMOS image sensor. Succeeding the EOS 5D Mark II, it was announced on 2 March 2012,[2] the 25th anniversary of the announcement of the first camera in the EOS line, the EOS 650. It was also Canon's 75th anniversary."

What better way to mark the 28th and 78th anniversary than by releasing another new body with a sensor that out specs the competition.

Yeah, anniversaries are nice and all...but shareholders prefer ¥.

Yes they do prefer money, and what better way to pump up share holders confidence than announcing a ground breaking camera and point out how the EOS line is 28 years strong and the company is  still moving forward in the market place after 78 years.   It is all in the spin. Money is nice but spin is free, in todays market place you have to keep those share prices up ;).

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 24, 2015, 05:38:59 PM »
Why wait until March and not CP+??  At this point, a month shouldn't make a difference.

A month means greater ROI on the existing model.

Or possibly this; (cut from Wikipedia)

"The Canon EOS 5D Mark III is a professional full-frame digital single-lens reflex (DSLR) camera made by Canon. It has a 22.3 megapixel CMOS image sensor. Succeeding the EOS 5D Mark II, it was announced on 2 March 2012,[2] the 25th anniversary of the announcement of the first camera in the EOS line, the EOS 650. It was also Canon's 75th anniversary."

What better way to mark the 28th and 78th anniversary than by releasing another new body with a sensor that out specs the competition.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More 7DII focus problems
« on: January 20, 2015, 05:23:29 PM »
I have a suspicion that the 7D2 issues we discuss here probably emerge more from the technical expertise of the 7D2 owners here on POTN than from the actual engineering of the camera. 

But what happens you have AFMAd the lenses, are using the centre focus point only, great light, 1/2500th second, and shooting a stationary object with fantastic contrast in a checkerboard like pattern....

In one shot mode, the focus is perfect on every single shot, be it shooting a single frame or a burst. In AI servo mode not one single frame is in focus, be it a single frame or a burst and in any of the "cases" for AI servo.

To me, this indicates a problem with the camera, not the user. Why does it focus perfectly in one mode and not in the other. I have also noticed that this problem is worse with lenses that need a big AFMA adjustment.... It is as if the AFMA value is used for one shot mode, but in AI Servo mode, the AFMA value is ignored...

I believe that this is the root of the problem and if I am correct, there should be a firmware update to fix the problem....

I will be re-doing my tests this weekend and testing to see if my AFMA hypothesis is correct and if it does focus on the AFMA=0 location instead of the programmed AFMA location.

Interesting, are you switching in C modes or maybe just switching to AI from Single Shot in Manual, AV or TV mode?
I was in AV mode... good point though, When I do more detailed testing I should see if the problem holds true in Manual, TV, or even (GASP!) green box mode....

Maybe set it to no AFMA, then switch from one shot to AI Servo. Then turn the adjustment back on and reset it.
Just a suggestion. Maybe it is just a bug.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More 7DII focus problems
« on: January 20, 2015, 05:19:55 PM »

But what happens you have AFMAd the lenses, are using the centre focus point only, great light, 1/2500th second, and shooting a stationary object with fantastic contrast in a checkerboard like pattern....

In one shot mode, the focus is perfect on every single shot, be it shooting a single frame or a burst. In AI servo mode not one single frame is in focus, be it a single frame or a burst and in any of the "cases" for AI servo.

This is how it`s supposed to work, and I learned this from one of the best Canon exports, Rudy Winston: one shot mode is for stationary subjects while AI Servo is for moving subjects.
You`ll find one of his videos here but there are many more on Canon`s website:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sgRZBo-WKI

Basically when you`re using AI Servo the camera actually expects some movement and if your subject doesn`t move, the AF might get confused.
I hope this helps,

Nelu

I would have agreed back when I owned only a 5D II and 7D.
Then I bought a 1D IV and whether stationary or moving using servo is as accurate as one shot.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More 7DII focus problems
« on: January 20, 2015, 03:43:35 PM »
I have a suspicion that the 7D2 issues we discuss here probably emerge more from the technical expertise of the 7D2 owners here on POTN than from the actual engineering of the camera. 

But what happens you have AFMAd the lenses, are using the centre focus point only, great light, 1/2500th second, and shooting a stationary object with fantastic contrast in a checkerboard like pattern....

In one shot mode, the focus is perfect on every single shot, be it shooting a single frame or a burst. In AI servo mode not one single frame is in focus, be it a single frame or a burst and in any of the "cases" for AI servo.

To me, this indicates a problem with the camera, not the user. Why does it focus perfectly in one mode and not in the other. I have also noticed that this problem is worse with lenses that need a big AFMA adjustment.... It is as if the AFMA value is used for one shot mode, but in AI Servo mode, the AFMA value is ignored...

I believe that this is the root of the problem and if I am correct, there should be a firmware update to fix the problem....

I will be re-doing my tests this weekend and testing to see if my AFMA hypothesis is correct and if it does focus on the AFMA=0 location instead of the programmed AFMA location.

Interesting, are you switching in C modes or maybe just switching to AI from Single Shot in Manual, AV or TV mode?

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EOS Bodies / Re: More 7DII focus problems
« on: January 20, 2015, 03:35:36 PM »
It seems on this forum if someone has AF issues it is never the cameras fault?
Always operator error.

Now, I agree the problems the OP had were operator error.

The 7D II has a fine AF system, if you are moving up from a t5i or 7D II it seems vastly superior.
If you need a sports AF system and your camera is a 5D II it would seem like a great improvement in AF ability.

The 7D II is however not on par with the 1D x AF system or some of the older 1D's for that matter.
I haven't used the 5D III but I have a feeling it might not stack up to it either.
It is not as precise, far few keepers than my 1D IV. I have seen it loose focus from one frame to the next in burst mode. It seems to have a harder time pinpointing a focus point, harder than my old 5D II (I have seen others comment that it seems like it has larger center focus point, I thought the same thing).

So I blew $1,799 on this 7D II camera. What did I get? IMO the best AF system in a camera body that cost under $2K. I suppose sometimes you have to look at it and decide if you received what you paid for.

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Lenses / Re: EF 100-400mm ii vs. EF 200-400 with 1.4 TC
« on: January 17, 2015, 07:40:51 AM »
Would you rather have a Cadillac Escalade or a Chevy Volt, if money were no issue.
The Cadillac is larger and heavier. It uses more gas.
They will both get you where you are going.
I wonder how often this question comes up at the GM dealership.


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Lenses / Re: canon 7D2 with 100-400 ii lens with 1.4 Extender for birds
« on: January 14, 2015, 01:50:26 PM »
My experience is that there is no significant advantage of using the 1.4xTC with the 100-400 II on the 7DII (but it does better on the 5DIII). The loss of IQ from the TC combined with an extra stop of noise gives it hardly any advantage over the bare lens plus a slight loss of AF and restriction to one focus square at f/8. Here are some shots of the centre of an iso12233 chart done with the bare lens on the 7DII compared with the 1.4xTC added and also the bare lens upscaled 1.4x using Photoshop. When colour is involved, as with bird plumage etc, the TC will fare worse because of any CA added.

ps - you can see the loss of IQ on adding the TC on the TDP site
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=972&Camera=963&Sample=0&FLI=5&API=2&LensComp=972&CameraComp=963&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0

The 7DII works brilliantly with very sharp lenses but the smaller pixels are more sensitive to softening of the lens whereas the FF is more resilient.

I can see the advantage of the 1.4x and the 7D II on my 500mm F/4. I  agree with your last sentence.

So if I understand you correctly it would be your opinion that the new 100-400mm may be that threshold that you would see an advantage? Possibly you have to go to the big white primes to see an advantage?


You mention the 5D III, really a logical comparison would be the cropped picture of the 5D II cropped vs the 7D II on a naked lens -or- the 5D III with a 1.4x cropped against a 7D II naked. Both shot from the same distance.


By the way, the OP's pics are not bad using an extender.

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I think a broader question like 'How do you deal with videographers that keep getting in the way?' would have generated a more productive input from many.


+1

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