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And Volkswagen and Miller Brewing topped the charts in 2013 for world wide sales of cars and beer.   No one would argue that Volkswagen hasn't innovated or produced a product that is liked by it's customers, but most would not interpret car sales that to mean that Volkswagen makes the best cars.  Sales volume does not inherently equate to quality, customer  satisfaction or class leadership.  It does reflect marketing, product placement, and market penetrance - kudos to Canon.  What would be nice to see is a chart indicating average repair costs, customer satisfaction, use by professionals, units remaining in service over years, etc.  Categories where Canon has probably done well, but who knows how well compared to other brand. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Anything to report from the Olympics?
« on: February 21, 2014, 07:10:08 PM »
I believe this thread is one of those who really de-railed :)

I conclude that no prototype body or lens was shown, ...

I'm pretty sure the Russians did show off their prototype bodies. 

Canon General / Re: Canon lack of innovation
« on: February 17, 2014, 07:48:45 PM »
That list is of the top patent filing companies.  That's certainly one measure of innovation, but quantity impresses less than quality and "Innovation" should be a measure of a company's ability to translate inventions into products, not how much money they spend on patents. 

Technical Support / Re: How to use cf and sd cards Mark5d3
« on: February 14, 2014, 09:47:02 AM »
i use the SD as a jpg backup and the CD for RAW but I've never, ever, had a card fail nor have the few pros i know.  is this a real issue with cards made in the past few years? has anyone here actually experienced a card failure?

Canon General / Re: Canon's Fiscal Year 2013 Financial Results released
« on: January 29, 2014, 08:05:55 PM »
Unlike all the subjective opinions spewed across the internet and elsewhere, yours and mine included, it is an objective fact that more people have decided that Canon dSLRs and lenses are the best, for them…and have done so consistently for >10 years.

The only fact is the sales number, the reason (best for them) is speculation on your part unless you mean that whatever people buys is always the best for them at that moment, but in that case I smell a petitio principii.

You don’t have to universally define “best” to understand that “best selling” is not equal to “best product” in the same way that “best dynamic range” is not equal to “best product”.

We buy what we buy for a whole bunch of reasons. Wants, needs, budget, knowledge (or the lack of it), ego, status, indoctrination, propaganda, reviews, expectations, dreams, beliefs, even facts sometimes.

Excluding the small number of people extorted or otherwise coerced to purchase a 'luxury' product not of their choosing, I'd say it's a pretty reasonably assumption that people but what they believe is best for them at that moment.  All of the factors you list, and the myriad of unmentioned factors, are consistent with that assumption.

You're right that the only real facts are that Canon has led the dSLR market for the past 10 years, and has sold more dSLRs and lenses than their competitors during that period.   Latin logic aside, I'm sure there are reasons for their success.

But the reality is that product sales is influenced heavily by marketing, including sponsorships, product placements and market presence (i.e. white lenses at sporting events), not by objective comparisons. Most people buy most products based on perceived and "marketed" value, and are rarely well informed about the products they purchase.   I would also argue that while some might believe that this isn't true for high end pro camera buyers, that in fact it is those same product placements, white lenses at games and sponsored "big name" photographers that do in fact significantly influence camera purchases.  It is very hard to not be influenced by branding and marketing.

In fact, I can't think of many (any?) companies that sell the most of anything that is also considered by "objective informed consumers" to make the "best" of that product.  Maybe Canon is an exception?  I have no doubt many Canon owners would like to think so.

Canon makes wonderful products that no doubt are the "best" for many well informed users.  But one of the problems with being the biggest company is the need to make products that will appeal to the broadest base of users in order to maintain that sales volume, and that often translates to an apparent reluctance to introduce significantly innovative new products, perhaps partly because the bigger they are they less they feel compelled to do so. 

Canon General / Re: Canon's Fiscal Year 2013 Financial Results released
« on: January 29, 2014, 10:34:00 AM »
Within the Imaging System Business Unit, interchangeable-lens digital cameras maintained their top market share...

So despite the trolls, DRones, and naysayers, Canon is still doing something right (namely, selling more dSLRs and lenses than their competitors).

And Anhauser-bush sells the most beer and Toyota sells the most cars.  That does not mean they make the best products in their respective spaces. What they are all doing well is marketing, like buying out Scott Kelby, or top NASCAR teams, and positioning products for mass consumption. 

Macro / Re: Cicada, Big Insect by EF 100 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM
« on: January 26, 2014, 02:29:32 PM »
Cicada come from the ground after 17 years in the deep ground, And they sing the sweet / loud song days and night for 2 days of MATING SEASON,
That's a long wait for sex ;D

I think it takes that long for even a Cicada to find another cicada attractive.

I pro photographer friend of mine was recently picked up by a local high school as their exclusive graduation photo/yearbook photographer, for which he is paid for the sessions by the school but can sell individual photos to parents.  To get the gig he had to offer to shoot home football games, and maybe a few other important athletic events.  For this he does not get paid by the school but is credentialed as the schools "staff photographer" and gets to sell photos to players and family.  I don't know how common this type or arrangement is for school athletic photographers, but according to my friend, it was the only way for him to get the grad/yearbook photo gig.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Not Coming? [CR1]
« on: December 14, 2013, 09:31:07 AM »
You might have only needed a 400mm lens on a crop but now you need a 600mm on a FF so it encourages sales of more expensive lenses.

That is simply not true.  A 400mm lens on a cropped FF image is exactly the same as 400mm on a crop sensor.  The only [current] benefits of a crop sensor is sensor/camera production costs, cropped image resolution, image, fps, and lens size/weight. 

It will always costs less to produce a smaller sensor, but overall costs are dropping and as more people make the jump to FF, the economies of scale will drive a more rapid decline in costs.  Cropped image resolution is a valid issue, but the 1Dx and D4 prove, for most people, that image is not about mp, and this truth is underscored by the resolution of cropped D800 images. Fps is only a matter of processor and storage throughput and capacity, and that is rapidly changing too.  While the current D800 may be "slow" in that regard, I would be very surprised if the next iteration did not provide for 6+ fps, and I suspect the same will be true that Canon's first or second "big" mp cameras will also solve or come close to solving the fps issue.  As for weight,  that only applies to lens and you will still be able to use your older crop camera lenses if you really want to pretend you have a 600mm lens by using a 400mm on a crop sensor. 

I don't know what Canon or Nikon will do in the future regarding "pro" cropped sensor camera, but I would be very surprised if they aren't looking looking at the FF "problems" the same way as am I and recognize the inherent long term economies of abandoning pro-level crop lenses and bodies.

I signed up for this deal 2 months or so ago when they offered it to anyone who had CS3 or later.  I have CS5 and LR4 and upgrade LR every time a new version comes out, which is about every year, so it seemed to me $120/yr for PS and LR vs. $100/yr for Lr only made sense.  If they don't increase the price, I'm very happy paying the subscription fee.  If they do, I'll revert to CS5 and buy LR on a yearly basis again. 

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Zeiss Otus Initial Impressions
« on: November 18, 2013, 07:15:59 PM »
Honest question.  I don't get why a well made lens with half dozen machine ground lenses of a particular shape and in one configuration can cost 10-20x what another well made lens with a half dozen machine ground lenses of a similar shape and configuration?  How can the shape of a lens element or the coating cost so much more to produce?  What is special about this lens that Canon, Nikon or Sigma could not reverse engineer (i.e. lens shape) and produce for $400? 

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 09:57:07 AM »
simply no one wants to buy a digital camera without proper video and LV implementation.
I was hoping this DF thing to be a fully mirrorless design camera , but it seems like just another boring retro looking F mount camera.
so I cannot imagine any one actually wants this , Nikon is wasting its very limited R and D money on something no one wants to see from them.
shame on you Nikon, you should try to come up with something similar to the Sony A7 with better video codec and Nikon One type of very fast shooting capability with proper PDAF.

I might be the odd one, but I don't care about video crap on CAMERA

You're not the odd one here. 

Like some other posters, I tried and failed twice to "getting used to it", but was won over on the third attempt many months ago and haven't looked back.  Also, as posted earlier, the ability to instantly control whether the lens will AF or not is priceless.

For many businesses the CC thing may make economic sense.  For many small shops and most hobbyists, it does not, and this is just Adobe trying to seduce us into their perpetual-payments scheme.  They presumed us version-skippers were not an important part of their business but I bet we are a larger customer base than they wanted to admit and they are scrambling to find a way to entice us into the bright light of the Cloud.  DON'T GO! 

Canon General / Re: Bad Photography Rant
« on: July 19, 2013, 07:56:24 PM »
It's not just photographers.  I have to agree with the poster above that you do NOT always get what you pay and only but rarely get more than what you pay for.  It may be a little harsh, but I have little sympathy for people who hire any sort of professional trade person, be it photographer, decorator, hair stylist or any other "skill" professional without knowing the quality of the work that person can produce only to find out the "friend of a friends' hairstylist" turns out to be a hack.  It does not matter what they charge or what their credentials are, it matters that you take the time to find out they can deliver a satisfactory quality product. 

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