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I would have to agree. Most of these spec numbers are marketing hype and mean very little in actual usage. My 1D Mark IV can shoot in the 100,000 range but I hate the images that come out of it. I rarely push it past 6400 ISO and those would be extremely rare cases where I absolutely have to come back with an image and flash was prohibited.at such high iso i doubt there will be a whole lot of difference between the 2 to be honest, I would expect great things from iso 100,000. I think we might see usability of images hit the ceiling in the 25k range
but noise tollerance is such a subjective thing as has been previously discussed. I think it will be spec bragging rights and thats about it.
I agree with you on the 25k range. The point for me will not be so much how high each machine goes in terms of ISO (like 51k versus 102k) but how clean they each are at ISO 12,800 and ISO 25,600. Being somewhat limited to a usable ISO 3200 currently with my 5D, hell a clean ISO 12k or 25k seem like heaven! I really hope this new sensor Canon has delivers !
Honestly, you might as well get a hasselblad H4D-200 if you are gonna spend that much. That's the ultimate billboard camera.
I'm very disappointed about the non-releasing of a 5D mark III. Frustrated by the 8bit C300. Disgusted by the washed out, poorly white balanced and noisy image quality of the last Laforet's video compared to Nocturne and Reverie. And very, very, very Sorry for Scorsese. Ah, last but not least, the surreal price range. If only Canon had really listened properly...What's your take CR? Hope the Canon people are listening because they just released an object to rent not to own: the 5D mark II IQ still beats hands down any competitor.
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I'm extremely disappointed by this announcement. These are the features many of us wanted, but they should just be part of the evolution of DSLR. Canon is forcefully separating camps into (likely highly expensive line of equipment) which really goes directly AGAINST the reason DSLR video had such widespread success in the first place. Pro-equipment being affordable (or at least with-in reach) in the hands of the masses was largely the point and this seems to miss that entirely.
They just fractured a business model that was working perfectly for them. I fear they have done something quite so very stupid. If this doesn't interfere with the natural progression DSLR video was on, then fine, no harm no foul, but only time will tell, and I've smelled this smell before. It's a distinct smell.
I'm not at all impressed, the 5D Mark III and the 7D Mark II (and probably even the 1DX) should be/have been launched with 4k capability, as it's quite essentially useful for editing 1080p format. It allows the editor the ability to re-crop and or pan the image and as well use digital image stabilization and then have some room around the frame to crop after stabilizing the content. Similarly, higher than needed framerates, etc. etc., all things Canon could have been working on and figuring out for our replacement models instead of this....
The sensors on DSLR are already capable of 4k pixel wise, and so are the lenses. Regardless, I'm going to have to simply ignore all the new products, let Hollywood blow their wad on it, I just hope it doesn't interfere with one of the main reasons I got into Canon DSLR video in the first place. I'm not happy or excited, in fact I feel kind of used and stupid for playing along. Time will tell, but if they don't eventually release the features we need on the budgets we have someone else will, and then where will they be?
p.s. I am not going to waste precious budget splitting my photography and film needs across multiple product lines, why do you think I got a DSLR? Oh and, I'm already sick of the new marketing term "EOS Movie".
This has been your negatively honest announcement for the day, enjoy your breakfast.
So the Scarlet X comes out Nov 17 - PL Mount & Dec 1 - EF Mount. S35 Sensor. 4k Video 24/25fps 2k video 50/60fps 1k video 120fps. And $14,000 for a full kit. $9750 for just the body. So within hours the C300 has become overpriced old technology.
They knew this would happen but I guess they forgot James Jannard was that crazy. I will buy a Scarlet if he throws in his 1200mm/5.6L.
Edit: 12fps Stills also.
It would be a clever marketing ploy on Canon's part to put out a 5DII successor with 30+MP. That would see a lot of professionals needing a 1D X and 5DIII - OK a lot have one or more 1DsIIIs or 1DIVs plus a 5DII already anyhow.
That way, Canon could put a very clear line between the intended purpose of the 1D X and the 5D line, and create more of a reason for people to have both!
Writing out 30+MP at 10fps is probably more than current storage and bus architectures can do, which may be one reason for sticking at 18MP for the 1D X. A large section of the market will be happy with a 30+MP camera that can do 3-5fps. - Of course that will not make everyone happy, but it will probably make Canon a lot of money!
With this camera I think Canon will push more people like me toward the Leica S2 for their studio needs and the 1DX will serve as an on location, editorial, sports and events camera. I was hoping Canon would fill that high resolution gap with this camera because buying into the Leica system is ridiculously expensive, not to mention I'm not all that crazy about their overly simplistic interface. I've been on the fence about whether to take the financial plunge into the Leica world hoping Canon would introduce something in the 25-35MP range to compete with the S2, but it seems now I don't have a choice.
I'm still new to this whole photography thing, so excuse the ignorance. What does the Leica give you in the studio that the Canon does not? Thanks!
2) What the heck are the dual Digic 5s in the 1DX doing for their money? Pull me up for flawed logic if you know better:
1D Mk3 - 10fps x 10MP = 50MP/second for each Digic 3
1D Mk4 - 10fps x 16MP = 80MP/second for each Digic 4 (increase of 60%)
1DX - 12fps x 18MP = 108MP/second for each Digic 5 (increase of 35%)
And the 1DX has a dedicated Digic 4 for AF and metering. Pretty poor show for Digic 5 considering Canon have had three years to develop it (Moores Law anyone?). I am missing something?
If the reduction of moiré during video shooting is partly/mostly in processing as opposed to optics, onboard live video processing of that type is likely to place heavy demands on the processors.
Earlier yesterday I read through the materials a bit more carefully and saw that indeed they are planning to discontinue the 1D / 1Ds differentiation. While Canon doubtless has mostly pleased the 1D Mark IV market by upping resolution and shooting speed yet further while at the same time finally increasing to full frame, current 1Ds owners might reasonably be tempted to ignore this camera.
I can't say what I was thinking weeks ago when I dismissed these camera specs but I am definitely skeptical about this as a "one size fits all" camera. In that respect the situation is worse than I would have guessed...but it's a real spec list and it's here to stay.
18 megapixels is quite a bit but not enough to post billboard style images with.
Awesome!
I'll be buying two to replace my 1D Mark IVs.
I certainly hope this camera lives up to the hype. Canon has been plagued by Auto Focus missteps in the past and this appears to be another "newly designed" AF system. "Newly designed" hasn't always worked out so well for Canon with the exception of the 7D, but it looks like this new system will even blow that out of the water if it works as promised. I love my 7D so I'm really looking to put this new camera to the test.
You had problems with the 1D IV system? I used to have a 1D III with some problems that later got fixed but with my 1D IV and 70-200L II I actually find it hard to miss.