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Lenses / Re: Would a 14-28mm f/1.8 be possible?
« on: February 15, 2013, 07:05:07 AM »
@steliosk: As discussed earlier on this site, you probably won't get a rumored Canon 12/14-24 f/2.8 at the same price as the Nikon... :-\

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Lenses / Re: Would a 14-28mm f/1.8 be possible?
« on: February 15, 2013, 06:57:40 AM »
Well, I don't want "crazy" things...

I rather want an UWA with a normal zoom range (16-35 preferred but I can accept shorter zooms like, let's say 16-28, 14-24) with a fast-but-normal aperture (f/2 - preferred but if isn't possible be it f/2.2 or even f/2.8 ) but with stellar sharpness, no flare and low distortions.

And I know that this is possible in a good price range.

Well, what about a 12-35 f/2.8  8) Ironic mood off: I'll go for the 16-35 by this summer. Saving up. The wait for a rumored  14-24 and the pobable price tag helped me make my descision. So my lens set up will be "complete" again, related to my preferencies. As I am not a birder, the 16-35 will suit any need for landscapes and nightscapes/nightsky. After that, I will probaly start to save up for an overnext update of my current 5D3 (hoping for same MPs and a decent improvement beyond ISO 25k). The 5D3 is an insanely good "jack of all trades", so there might be some improvement potential: I'd be glad with 0.5 to 1 stop in RAW. 8) That would be the high ISO IQ of an 1Dx. Let's hope Canon get their sensor design done for upcoming releases.

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Lenses / Re: How do yall compose a shot using a fisheye lens?
« on: February 15, 2013, 03:07:29 AM »
I never follow any rules with a fisheye... and I admit I am totally addicted to mine :) In the beginning I would over think how to line everything up, now I just look through the viewfinder trying to compose the large items, the horizon and converging lines within the frame nicely. Also, depending on the distortion needed... I can frame my rectilinear lens with a lttle tilt. This can really exaggerate the perspective, creating a unique view.

Canon 5DmkIII  w/ Sigma 15mm ƒ/2.8 EX DG Fisheye


MotoGP 2012 Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca - Helicopter Ride by David KM, on Flickr

Bryan - Treasure Island, San Francisco... by David KM, on Flickr

Monterey Bay Aquarium by David KM, on Flickr

Wings Over Wine Country Air Show 2012 - P51 "Lady Alice" by David KM, on Flickr

FurCon 2013 - San Jose, California by David KM, on Flickr

I like the Mustang photograph very much! Great shot of a legendary, let's say, the most beautiful plane ever built. Did you see red tails, or the Tuskegee Airmen? The latter is one of my favourite movies.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: New body or new lens...
« on: February 15, 2013, 02:52:49 AM »
I am shooting a 5D3 since last August. And it was a big step up for me in low light, coming from a 30D. The 1Dx is definitely not my expenditure league. But If you do birding, although I am not into that, I guess the 1Dx surely has a stellar AF and is a lot more forgiving at higher ISOs relating to what I've heard so far. It has a 0.5 to 1 stop advantage in RAW over the 5D3 according to neuro. How many f-stops do you lose with a 1.4 converter and the 100-400? Anyway you'd have at least a 560mm on the long end. If I were you I'd go for the body...Because neither the 1Dx nor the 5D3 will see an upgrade within the next year. But, that's my 2 cents.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« on: February 14, 2013, 03:59:20 PM »
my bet is the 5d3 will get the standard cycle of 3-4 years and the reason this is being brought up is to get people talking - because while there is a ver vocal minority of haters for the 5d3, there are tons of happy users who stay quiet!  A high mp camera with better DR is geared towards a different user base than the 5d3, which yeah, appeals to most wedding shooters like myself. 

Again, in my local photographer community, no Nikon wedding shooter recommends the d800 to those looking to upgrade - most say d700, d3, d3s.  I know many will flame me for saying it, the good old - memory is cheap argument.  But, those wedding shooters that did snag a d800 say it stays in the bag on wedding day because the files are just too damn big and adds too much time to the work flow.  (it's not just buy more CF cards and new HD's, most will have to upgrade their computers to handle the larger files). 

With that said, a canon high mp body may be more versatile because it would most likely offer RAW, mRAW, and sRAW - where d800 only offers crop mode (I'd rather have a lesser mp'ed image at the full scale of the FF sensor than a smaller file but cropped).  So on that end, a high mp body may sell to wedding togs.  But, I doubt wedding photographers woud leap at such a body (especially if its in a 1d series body), maybe a few really high end wedding togs (many of them may buy it for the studio and leave it there on wedding day).  Even if it has better DR, how much of that would be lost when shooting at mRAW or sRAW?  Thats why I think the 5d3 hits the sweetspot of performance across the spectrum. 

Last thing to say, a split line for for the 1D and 5d does make sense - wedding and sports shooters would still have their tools, while studio and landscape shooters would be abe to use the 1dxs or the 5d3s.

Well said, Chuck Alaimo. I strongly hope the MP count will remain the same for a long time. Due to an old PC I am running my 5D3 at mRAW....Along with an improved sensor the 22 MP within this and the overnext product cycle would work quite some wonders...

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If you don't do sports photography, you really don't need a 7D.  That said, the 60D is not intended to be used by professionals.  It has no auto focus micro adjustment.  It has a mostly plastic body. 

Unless you mostly shoot in RAW, and print pictures larger than 8x10, the 60D would probably suffice.

Since you seem concerned about losing money to depreciation...and you already bought a 60D, then sold it, then bought a new 7D for a relatively low price, I would just cool it on buying anything else.  You're already seeing a lot more depreciation than if you had just bought the one camera and kept it, or else waited and bought a 70D or a 7D II.

As for what looks good in your hands...frankly you're being silly and shallow a bit.  Nobody is going to be looking that closely at a crop camera body while it is in your hands, or be able to tell the difference...they are similar in size (maybe between a rebel and a 7D, yes...but not a 60D).  People who know, are looking more at what lens you're using anyway. 

If you're mostly doing video, anyone who is familiar with that, would be looking more at your sound rig and tripod, or otherwise your cinema grip.

"That said, the 60D is not intended to be used by professionals." I have to hold against that. What is intended to be used by a professional is up to the pro's choice. I've seen a pro of an advertisement agency here in Europe actually use a 60D for video interviews with a band. If that was the case you are aiming at, I as an amateur shouldn't use my 5D3 either ;-) Cams are tools. For whoever will use them...

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EOS Bodies / What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« on: February 14, 2013, 04:25:08 AM »
Hi, returning to CRs post a few days ago:
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<p><strong>A new EOS-1 body in 2014<br />

</strong>The latest we <a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1D_Xs.html\" target=\"_blank\">and others</a> are hearing is that a large megapixel camera from Canon won’t be coming until 2014. This coincides with information that Canon <a href=\"http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/01/canons-roadmap-for-2013-cr2/\" target=\"_blank\">would be releasing 3 DSLRs in 2013</a> and none of them outside of the APC-S segment.</p>
<p>Prototype cameras with sensors beyond 40mp do exist and are in the hands of very exclusive testers. However, we’re also told that a few lenses in the lineup will need updating before a large megapixel camera hits the market for Canon. No specific lens was mentioned, but I would imagine a full frame ultra wide zoom is one of those lenses.</p>
<p>From the same source as above, 4 new EF lenses will be coming in 2013.</p>
<p>Canon’s announcement date for a new EOS-1 may be dependant on when Nikon announces the rumoured 36mp D4x, Nikon cannot have two such cameras on the market while Canon remains quiet in my opinion.</p>
<p><strong>EOS 5D X?<br />

</strong>A faster update? One suggestion from a known source is that Canon has loose plans to replace and/or update the EOS 5D Mark III quicker than the previous iterations. Could we see one some time in 2014? I would think a direct replacement would be unlikely, however a small, high performance & higher megapixel DSLR would probably have a place in the market.</p>
<p><em>*Notice how I didn’t say “EOS-3D :)”</em></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>


as seen at
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=12819.0

So, concerning the last paragraph of his part of the original post, what if the rumored high MP body is actually a 4D?
CR guy: - any additional thoughts? Is it likely to happen?

So the 5Ds could maintain a relatively "low" MP count within its segment as a higher priced allround cam. If my memory isn't too blurred, Canon kinda hinted that after the 5D3s announcement. Not sure what the original message was, but somewhere along the line, that they consider to stay at these MPs in relation to the feedback of some photographers. I would happily embrace such a decision. So a 4D could be the 1DX equivalent at high MP and DR. Well, time will tell. Cheers, Pedro

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D or 5D3 for low light candids?
« on: February 13, 2013, 11:53:30 AM »
1) Did you take an ISO 204800 or 102400 photograph? I tried one at 102400, exposing well to the right (not a very dark room) and outcome was pretty well although it required quite some NR to make it look right.

2)What do you think can be expected from a 5DIV or 5DV (whatever they may call it) at hopefully about the same MP with an improved sensor design as the rumors are floating around? Will we see 51K or 102K IQ compared to what is now 25k IQ for the 5D series? Or let's say, will IQ at 102k improve at least half a stop or a as up to a whole stop in RAW until 2015 or 18?

1) Nothing other than test shots in that range.  I do use ISO 25600 and that works fine, I haven't (yet) had a need to go higher.  To me, the ~2-stop advantage (considering both quantity and quality of noise) of the 1D X is maintained all the way up, so ISO 102400 looks about like ISO 25600 on the 5DII, and the latter was too high for me.  On the 5DII, ISO 3200 was my normal cap, ISO 6400 was for 'emergencies' - so I treat ISO 12800 and ISO 25600, respectively, the same.  But I did (very) occasionally use ISO 25600 on the 5DII, and so I will likely need ISO 102400 on the 1D X some day...

2) No idea.  The 1D X is better at the highest ISOs than the 5DIII (0.5-1 stop advantage, IMO), so that suggests there's a bit of room for improvement in the 5-series.

@neuro: Thanks a lot for that quick response! So I hope they keep the MP at least in the low 20's and manage to improve the sensors accordingly. I'd be happy with an overnext body and a 0.5 stop improvement in the ultra high ISOs in RAW (51200, 102400) and about 3/4 concerning ISO speeds of 12800 and 25600. We'll see. Enjoy your flagship cam! And maybe one day you might post your 102k emergency shot.  Maybe the next 5D will roll out with an 51k "native" ISO...8)

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Reviews / Re: 5D3 shooting my cat at ISO 51k at 6:30 a.m.
« on: February 13, 2013, 11:31:13 AM »
closed of course!  8)
That way the camera is safe from ... the cat  ;D

Also, you do not want your picture taken... by the cat  ;D  ;D
Yep! I have my camera bag closed too. With two dogs and a cat in the house, I do not want them to even attempt competing with me!

I am the "Man" of the house and I have my wife's permission to say so! ;)
I wish my wife would let me say so...

Impressive pictures, I have a hard time getting the high ISO looking better than they do with my 5D3. I'm working on other settings and improving my skills so hopefully one day.

You know, it was a real long shutter speed at 1/40 handheld and almost wide open. I really hope Canon stays at 22 MP with the 5Ds while the sensors and ISOs improve accordingly. Wish a next or overnext body will enable us to shoot ISO 51k equivalent to ISO 25k IQ today.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Cinema Camera & Lenses for NAB 2013
« on: February 13, 2013, 11:22:40 AM »
In other words, Canon will soon have 3 dedicated cinema bodies in the market, but still no dedicated landscape / studio body?.. Yawn.  :-\ This is just another sign that they shifting away from stills, and more towards video.

How about announcing the 14-24L, or at least letting us know if there is a big MP body coming this year or the next?

5D3X, 5D4 or whatever the name is. I need it naow!!  ;D
+1 on the 14-24L glass

16-35 will do for me ;-) or would a 14-24 allow to mount an ND10 filter? Sigma has a bulb lens, maybe Nikon as well.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D or 5D3 for low light candids?
« on: February 13, 2013, 11:13:47 AM »
5DIII + 24-105/4L will deliver noticeably better low-light/high ISO IQ than 7D + 17-55/2.8.  For low light candids, I also agree that an f/2.8 or faster lens is the way to go. 

Personally, I prefer not to depend on IS in that situation - even if the camera is stable at 1/30 s (IS or tripod), subject motion is a problem, and especially in candids where subjects aren't 'holding still' for the camera (even in posed shots, I prefer at least 1/60 s).  On my 1D X, I use a minimum 1/125 s shutter for shooting people - and I let the ISO run up to 12800 with no worries.

+1 neuro. don't depend on IS either. anyway, your 1Dx surely must deliever excellent IQ beyond the 12800. I know for reasonable noisefree nighshots the 5D's limit is at about 5000 or 8000. There was a dude earlier this year who came up with a comparison to the 1Dx.
Two questions for neuro:
1) Did you take an ISO 204800 or 102400 photograph? I tried one at 102400, exposing well to the right (not a very dark room) and outcome was pretty well although it required quite some NR to make it look right.
102k no NR

Z96A0008aBWkNR ISO102400 no noisereduction by Peter Hauri, on Flickr
102k NR

Z96A0008aBWUsMaNR ISO102400 by Peter Hauri, on Flickr
2)What do you think can be expected from a 5DIV or 5DV (whatever they may call it) at hopefully about the same MP with an improved sensor design as the rumors are floating around? Will we see 51K or 102K IQ compared to what is now 25k IQ for the 5D series? Or let's say, will IQ at 102k improve at least half a stop or a as up to a whole stop in RAW until 2015 or 18? Thanks for your assessment on this according to your profound technical knowledge...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D or 5D3 for low light candids?
« on: February 13, 2013, 05:59:29 AM »
@wickidwombat: so you're talking about 3.5 stops in RAW from crop. That comes close. Coming from a 30D 1600 was highest I would dare to go in nightphotography (knowing there's some PP waiting). With the 5D3 now I go as high as 25.600 or 51200 without hesitation. Depending on your situation, even 51k without NR look quite usable  8)


Shooting my Cat at ISO 51k by Peter Hauri, on Flickr

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D or 5D3 for low light candids?
« on: February 13, 2013, 03:06:35 AM »
I have both bodies. I don't have an issue shooting my 7D at 12,800 for sports and such if I have to but I sure would not do that for a wedding. 7D @ 1600 is comfortable and 3200 if I have to. The 7D will yield great even higher ISO shots but I call the sensor light hungry. It needs correct exposure so it is not very forgiving.

The 5D3 on the other hand will do better at higher ISO's and is a little more forgiving. If I were to shoot a lot of low light I would get a FF sensor. It is just basic megapixels, sensor size and math.

Here is my 7D at 12,800. NR using PS/LR - they are both the same. I really can't tell you about AF acquisition as I don't suffer with either.

   

             

looks pretty well, man. I have the 5D3 and I am a happy camper in that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 11, 2013, 06:07:04 PM »
by jirista: "My 7D is a pretty great camera. It has a high frame rate, a good AF system that does a great job, but can bail out and get sketchy at any moment. With quality L-series glass it pounds out the sharp like you wouldn't believe. But...the 5D III, despite its SLOWER frame rate, still out-does it because of the better AF system. The larger pixels on the 5D III result in much better noise characteristics, allowing usable ISO to jump from around ISO 1600-2500 on the 7D to as high as 12800 on the 5D III, while concurrently making ISO 1600 WORLDS BETTER."

Coming from a 30D the 5D3 just blew me away. 12800 are a no-brainer. I'll even go as high as 25600 and sometimes 51200 (required in very dark rooms, exposing well to the right, final output color or b/w) I am playing with it since my cat-photograph looked pretty usable  8) even without NR...


Shooting my Cat at ISO 51k by Peter Hauri, on Flickr
here's a 25k lowlight shot


Z96A3292bNoNRBWcropDEFKLEIN by Peter Hauri, on Flickr


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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 10, 2013, 08:27:36 AM »
Actually it's quite easy. If you REALLY want the 5D3 and don't have the money for it, then just wait until you have the money for it or wait until the price drops. Over here in Belgium the price of the 5D3 is 2.859 EUR which is 3,820.62 USD. So even more expensive. I'm still deciding between a 6D (1.759 EUR / 2,350.64 USD) and a 5D3 (2.859 EUR / 3,820.62 USD).

+1 sound advice.

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