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I am not going to pretend that I know anything about the cost of manufacturing a lens...but my layman's observation is that the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 is similar in size and both lenses have f/1.4 with 13 glass elements...That is pretty similar in my book. I think the new 50mm lens should come in sub $1000...just like the 35mm.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 21, 2014, 04:37:26 PM »
I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)


If you really think that, you don't know Sigma!


Indeed I don't...do I really need to know Sigma when my lenses are L? :P

Well now you know that your 35mm is soft, has tons of CA and a whole world of vignetting compared to the Sigma...you do have that plastic & a red ring that you paid an extra $500 for, tho.  :o


Since when did the 35 Art have LESS vignetting than the 35 L ??


Since the Sigma 35mm Art Lens arrived on the market? :-)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuN1ywuufg


That's funny.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Vignetting-Test-Results.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0&Lens=121&Camera=9&LensComp=829


Viggo...I think that there is something wrong with that comparison at The Digital Picture (which I regard as a very reliable source)....so..when you click over on the sigma arrow..notice that the WHOLE frame gets a least a stop darker...not just the edges. There is something amiss there. If the centers do not stay at the same brightness for each lens the comparison in no good. Clearly there is a problem there.   I only have the sigma or I would compare them myself...but I am only noticing (slight) vignetting when the lens is wide open...not really bothersome..certainly nothing like the portrayal there.  hmmmm....this warrants further investigation...I will look for a third source.
Mathew at Light & Matter (the U-Tube video I referenced) seems like a very responsible guy), he is slightly Sigma biased (maybe) or he is just reporting the facts fairly. 

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 21, 2014, 12:15:40 PM »
I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)

If you really think that, you don't know Sigma!

Indeed I don't...do I really need to know Sigma when my lenses are L? :P
Well now you know that your 35mm is soft, has tons of CA and a whole world of vignetting compared to the Sigma...you do have that plastic & a red ring that you paid an extra $500 for, tho.  :o

Do you see any 35mm in my signature?

Wonder how many "Wow" Sigma lenses out there?  ::) 1 maybe 2 :P

You have a point!  ...but they are moving in the right direction. Perhaps they will have two WOW after the new 50mm is released.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 21, 2014, 10:59:25 AM »
I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)


If you really think that, you don't know Sigma!


Indeed I don't...do I really need to know Sigma when my lenses are L? :P

Well now you know that your 35mm is soft, has tons of CA and a whole world of vignetting compared to the Sigma...you do have that plastic & a red ring that you paid an extra $500 for, tho.  :o


Since when did the 35 Art have LESS vignetting than the 35 L ??


Since the Sigma 35mm Art Lens arrived on the market? :-)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuN1ywuufg

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 21, 2014, 03:44:56 AM »
@jdramirez
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I wish that was the type of thing we could share.  Have one communal module.  Mail it like it was inter library loan. :(
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Good idea! Well..the dock costs only $59 @ B&H...so it makes sense to own if you have a couple of lenses that it can be useful on.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:06:04 PM »

...I have been extremely happy with my 35mm Art as most are who own it and I have not had any issues with the focus and it seems that just guys with red-line fever (not that there is anything wrong with "L" glass in general), have some imaginary data on this "drifting focus" problem that I have not experienced.  Has anyone that owns the lens had an issue with focusing?????? Its certainly possible.
At any rate I think that SOON we should see some real tests on the new 50mm and really know what the price is.  (I wish that Sigma had not said that they are aiming at the Otus...it just sets them up for target practice....LOL!).


I think Eldar mentioned it in his post, maybe he can elaborate? Not that Canon lenses don't have issues, of course.
The proof is in the pudding, if Sigma comes up with something really good, they will sell them well. Who cares what people say, it's where they put their money.
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I bought the 35A just a few weeks after it was released. I did an AFMA through Focal, which gave just a couple of steps adjustment on both 1DX and 5DIII. I was very impressed with the lens┬┤sharpness, contrast, CA and color. Bokeh is not its strong side and it has some vignetting, but probably not more than should be expected.

After a couple of months I started to get more and more images out of focus and around Christmas it was useless shot wide open. I did another AFMA and I had to adjust 7 steps compared to the old setting on both bodies. I have used it a little less since then, but it seems to have stayed stable since AFMA no.2.

The Otus is a phenomenal lens and I am really enjoying it. But as soon as things start to move I miss AF. So as I have said before, this Sigma 50A is something I am really looking forward to try. But I doubt we will see it for $790, at least not for a while. Sigma is not unlike any other company. They┬┤re only in it for the money.
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Thanks for the input about the focusing.  I have the 35mm Art and if I get the 50mm I think I will pick up the Sigma lens module, (USB Lens Dock I think it is called).

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:00:56 PM »
I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)

If you really think that, you don't know Sigma!

Indeed I don't...do I really need to know Sigma when my lenses are L? :P
Well now you know that your 35mm is soft, has tons of CA and a whole world of vignetting compared to the Sigma...you do have that plastic & a red ring that you paid an extra $500 for, tho.  :o

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Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: Lexar CF cards FAIL - Sandisk?
« on: March 20, 2014, 10:23:36 AM »
Hey...I had a Lexar Pro 1000X 32GB CF card fail on me last month. It was a couple of years old, had moderate use...of course it failed when I go up before sunrise to shoot a ship with magic sky before sun comes up...LOL! Never had a card failure before..I would shoot 9-10 photos with my 5DIII and then I would get an error message (dont recall what it was...I was almost awake! LOL)..so I turned the camera off..turned it back on...took a look at the images on the card..(they were there)...and finally I switched over to the SD card (what a luxury!!!) after the light was NOT as good ...LOL....
When I got home I could not upload from the card and I ran recovery software (Lexar or Sandisk can't recall of the top of my head which), that I had run in the past and it recovered images off of a card that I had formatted in the camera twice!...but no luck here...the card was dead.
I did contact Lexar...had to get thru a screening process and was able to send the card into them and get it fixed or replaced...I am not sure which. It has been working fine since then...
Oh...I am pretty careful and methodical too. I always turn the camera off before removing the card, always eject the disk on my computer, etc...so I think it was definitely faulty manufacturing with the card.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 20, 2014, 10:07:45 AM »

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Please watch this...I feel the same way as this very responsible reviewer. He pretty much covers everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuN1ywuufg

"my own needs revolve more around the overall "look and feel" and color than sheer sharpness." Can you elaborate on this statement....it is kind of nebulous.
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I also saw that video, and while I'd prefer the 35A to the 35L, the video looks biased from the beginning.
The minute he talks about liberal use of plastic in the Canon and how that still didn't help keep the price down it was clear which one he preferred.
Reviews should be objective, leaving the viewer to draw his conclusions based on the data provided.
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Well...I think that the reviewer brings up a lot of valid points.   No lens is prefect...but the reviewer was very detail oriented, but not outright "scientific" (thank God).   It's possible that he was biased but some of what he presents is difficult to ignore, I think....anyway...I have been extremely happy with my 35mm Art as most are who own it and I have not had any issues with the focus and it seems that just guys with red-line fever (not that there is anything wrong with "L" glass in general), have some imaginary data on this "drifting focus" problem that I have not experienced.  Has anyone that owns the lens had an issue with focusing?????? Its certainly possible.
At any rate I think that SOON we should see some real tests on the new 50mm and really know what the price is.  (I wish that Sigma had not said that they are aiming at the Otus...it just sets them up for target practice....LOL!).

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Landscape / Re: Please share your snow/ Ice Photos with us in CR.
« on: March 20, 2014, 03:35:47 AM »
This is not my picture, but it belongs in this thread.....

Don...there are soooo many things wrong about that photo AND that it is posted here. Thanks for the entertainment. LOL!

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Landscape / Re: Please share your snow/ Ice Photos with us in CR.
« on: March 20, 2014, 03:28:09 AM »
Wildlife......

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Hee...hee....maybe Sigma can borrow that tag line... "Our Past Is Just a Story, an Iffy One!"   :o
I couldn't resist ...although based on my 35mm Art...the past may be the past for them too.
Will be interesting to see what SamYang offers up since they seem to be turning a corner as well.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 19, 2014, 10:19:59 AM »
This will kill sales of Canon's 50/1.2L - even at its current rebate price of  $1,469.00. The Sigma is almost half the price of the "L".

Dunno about that. I just met a guy who recently bought a 35L and loves it, and he happily paid almost double the price of the superior Sigma 35A.

Although I hope and pray the Sigma 50 ART turns out to be a great lens, with perfect AF and no third-party issues, my own needs revolve more around the overall "look and feel" and color than sheer sharpness.  This is why 35L fits my own needs better than Sigma 35 ART, so I understand that "guy" who loves his 35L. 

I truly hope the Sigma 50 ART can bring lively colors and subject separation/"pop" from wonderful background bokeh, then I will replace my 50L with it.

Please watch this...I feel the same way as this very responsible reviewer. He pretty much covers everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuN1ywuufg

"my own needs revolve more around the overall "look and feel" and color than sheer sharpness." Can you elaborate on this statement....it is kind of nebulous.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 19, 2014, 05:50:50 AM »
If this is true and Sigma actually don't sell the lens for more than $790, then it won't matter how good it is optically, or if it autofocuses adequately.  It will be slammed by all the Canonnites on here.  If they would charge $1200 or more, it would be taken more seriously (assuming it actually is optically good).  Plain and simple, to appeal to a Cannonite, you have to evoke enough snob appeal.  Certainly the 35 Art is still slammed for its autofocus performance.

No, even if it cost $2000 and was half the price of the Zeiss Otus it would still be shunned because Sigma have a history of making bad lenses and everyone has a bad story to tell and thus nobody should go back. That people have bad experiences with Canon and Canon gear is irrelevant because there's that word "Canon" on it.

Truth be known...Sigma has a tainted past...but I repeatedly see a new leaf turned in the last two years.  Let's live in the present.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« on: March 19, 2014, 04:24:33 AM »
If this is true and Sigma actually don't sell the lens for more than $790, then it won't matter how good it is optically, or if it autofocuses adequately.  It will be slammed by all the Canonnites on here.  If they would charge $1200 or more, it would be taken more seriously (assuming it actually is optically good).  Plain and simple, to appeal to a Cannonite, you have to evoke enough snob appeal.  Certainly the 35 Art is still slammed for its autofocus performance.

I have to agree with you.  I own the new Sigma 35mm Art and it is a lens that just WOWS me every time I upload images from a card that has been in the same camera that the lens is attached to. (I own the original Sigma 50mm and although I like the lens a lot, especially compared to its competition it is not a WOW lens). I also own some incredible "L" glass and Zeiss, so I am in no way attached to one manufacturer, but I do look for the what I consider to be the best I can buy when I purchase a lens that covers a certain range of needs.
Now we are all in here talking about a lens that we know very little about, but that some of us have great expectations for (with good reason as all preliminary indicators are very positive), and this pricing info has me very excited about this upcoming lens offering...heck... this is a 50mm with 13 elements in it riding a wave of new lenses from a company that clearly has had a turnaround in its business ethic, but there will be those few in here that will vehemently deny this reality...I have to admit that somehow this fact will cause me great glee each time I snap the bayonet of my new art 50mm onto my 5DIII!  :-).  If this pricing info is correct, it will be like icing on the cake. This is the one lens that I am excited about this year and it is about time that FF has a reasonable priced, great performing "normal" lens.  Why has this taken so long?  You will not see this possibility from Canon..... and Nikon just offered their own overpriced embarrassment (the new 58mm f/1.4), in this basic lens segment (?????), rendering...smendering LOL! It costs too much money and it is mediocre at best for a 2014 lens. So, if Sigma delivers in this price range I believe there will be a lot of smiling image makers in the upcoming months.  This is getting exciting!

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