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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:12:36 AM »
are you royal or why do you use the word "we"?

The royal we...man.

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"fact" is also.. that if canon "had" the better sensors the fanboys here would be all over it.

They might bring it up. But they wouldn't be on Nikon Rumors starting post after post about it.

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it's somewhere between disingenuous and downright dishonest to suggest that all people who want better DR saying that it´s all that matters.

No, but they've built it up in their minds into something it is not and talk about little else. That's why I tell people to actually do the tests, rent the equipment, try it out. The first time you push shadows from an Exmor RAW it is impressive. Then you get some some images under your belt and you realize that it's better and occasionally useful, but in less extreme cases it's not as different in print as you imagined. And in more extreme cases you're not fighting noise, but mud, and you need to HDR to get the detail you really want any way.

DxO and the various reviewers who think turning all NR off...sometimes only on the Canon file!...is clever are doing a real disservice to the photographic community at large.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:03:39 AM »
i like the idea but i would like to see a resize to A4 at 360PPI (4209x2976 pixels).

Just go for 16x20. You would be lucky to see a difference in 1% of cases. Seriously. The paper you choose to print on will have more of an impact.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 08:27:57 AM »
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As for DR/exposure latitude, for all the debate on this forum there has been exactly ONE test sample shot under identical conditions, the one from Fred Miranda.

Once a test is done, it doesn't need to be repeated.

Apparently it does because the test does not support the whining about DR that appears on this forum. Not even close.

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Everyone with a 5D2 or 5D3 knows how bad the noise and shadows are.

So bad you might notice in a 24" print. If the Nikon print is sitting next to it. And you have a magnifying glass  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 12:05:42 AM »
Why?

I have owned both and I very strongly disagree.

Make a case, not bland sweeping statements.

I realize this was directed at jrista and neuro, but...5D3 v D800 I would say the 5D3 is the better overall camera by a small margin. 5D3 v D810 is a wash.

If you have Canon lenses obviously the 5D3 is the superior camera. If you have Nikon lenses the 810 is superior. There is nothing in either that would make me jump brands.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Deal: EOS M w/22mm f/2 STM $249
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:28:08 PM »
In Brazil, this kit costs $700 U.S. dollars at the official Canon store. >:( I believe there are millions of units EOS-M not sold in USA, to sell them for the price of old stale bread. :-[

That these deals keep coming up means Canon still hasn't moved all the inventory. At this price the M+22 is an absolute steal and blows out anything else near the same price. But people have mentally written off the M so it still doesn't move like it should  :(

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 08:50:09 PM »
The annoyances with the D800 were not a problem for what I mostly shoot, but IQ was my main concern and the D800 had it.

I can work around almost anything except problematic IQ.

There isn't a modern ILC with "problematic IQ." There are some that are slightly better for different tasks, but that's about it. We live in a golden age of photographic technology. We argue over tiny differences that don't matter most of the time, and barely matter even when they do.

That's the cold, hard truth.

I practically went blind studying sample files from the 5D3, A7, and A7R recently. With RAW files enlarged to 36 MP I could barely see any difference while pixel peeping. In print? No. Nor will anyone else unless you label the prints and tell them which has "more" so that their basic psychology comes into play just like in wine tasting. (The jump from 24 to 36 MP sounds like a lot, but is <25% on each axis. You need a jump of 50% or more on each axis to be noticeable. And at the resolutions we're talking about, even then this only happens with extremely fine detail on very large prints.)

As for DR/exposure latitude, for all the debate on this forum there has been exactly ONE test sample shot under identical conditions, the one from Fred Miranda. And if you actually do something crazy like, you know, use the NR sliders in ACR then you end up with slightly better shadows on the Nikon. It's barely evident at 24" and invisible at smaller sizes.

IQ is a wash within a format and even between formats (m43, APS-C, FF) at low ISO unless you pick from the ends of the resolution spectrum (12 vs 36). And even then the lower resolution sensor is still very good, just not able to print as large.

Heck, even the 1" sensors from Sony and Samsung are excellent at low ISO!

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You will not be missing shots on a D810 that you would get on a Mk3, Rather the other way round.

You're not going to miss shots on either unless the 5D3 happens to catch the one frame you want at 6 fps vs. 5 fps, or the D810 at 7 fps in crop mode with the grip. And that's doubtful either way. A 1DX might nail shots you want that these two miss, but 1 extra fps is...1.

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And this 'Canon lenses are better than Nikons' fairytale that is spoken like it's fact round here?

Pretty much every lens manufacturer has excellent, good, and crummy glass. I will say that Canon has the most capacity in terms of design and manufacturing, and they are getting wicked good at producing glass that has excellent IQ and is dirt cheap. But basically you can accomplish anything you could want in Canon or Nikon, and 99% of anything you could want in the other mounts.

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85mm? Nikon 1.4 and 1.8 are more modern and better than the Canon equivalents which were released sometime during the 2nd word war it seems.

 ::) The 85 f/1.8 is a modern design, fast focusing, with excellent IQ and bokeh. The Nikons seem sharper but have horrendous CA wide open. Meh. There are so many 85mm options now from 3rd parties that it's silly to even debate these.

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I doubt it on here when 2-3 stops of DR is not desired by anyone it seems.

From the ONE test shot sample we've seen so far in...a half dozen?...threads on the topic that shall not die, DR is nearly identical with an edge to the D810 on exposure latitude. Oh my, better sell all my Canon gear   ::)

DxO scoring is used dog food. That and "comparisons" where the tester turns off all NR on the Canon file are what's driving this nonsense.

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Same with the 50mm range, except who'd get either a Nikon or a Canon when the Sigma 50m Art is so amazing?

The Art is sharp, sharp, sharp...but the bokeh can be...odd. I actually like the previous Sigma 50 better and I'm sticking with it. The bokeh is stunning on that one.

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Nikon 14-24 F2.8? Stunning lens that Canon has no answer for.

16-35 f/4 IS. (It took them long enough.) Now let's see an answer for Canon's T/S lenses.

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My point is that this assumption that Canon lenses are superior is uninformed at best and delusional logo fandom at worst.

Kind of like assuming and arguing over and over again that Exmor has 2-3 stops more DR  ::)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:11:11 AM »

Crap, what do I do about the new Sony???  I need to shoot black cats in unlit coal mines and the Nikon is inferior to the Sony.  I guess the Nikon is junk and I need to get the Sony.  I'm so confused.

Please advise on which I should choose - the Nikon D810 or Sony A7S.

I found that the Apple iPad works best for taking pictures of black cats in unlit coal mines... see the attached example and notice how black the black is and how there is no noise or banding....
I can't believe you stole my Instagram shot!  You'll pay for that ;).  If you had access to the RAW file that I shot with my Sony A8S prototype (oops, just blew my NDA), you would be able to lift those shadows to see the black cats, crows, and even Neuro's unicorn.  I was actually over at Stephen Hawking's place last night showing him how I captured the inside of some black holes with the prototype.  He said, "Yeah right," so I showed him the camera sensor and he was convinced.  Look for our joint article in the next issue of Nature :P

Big deal. The A9S will let you push shadows to the point of resolving separate quantum realities. If you photograph Schrödinger's cat your RAW converter will let you see him both dead and alive!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:07:41 AM »
You are a sad person - is Canon paying you?

Nope. That's why I'm sad. I can only get Pentax to pay me.

Say...have you seen their new SLR with all the LED lights?  ;D

I've seen their video. Makes me want LED lights.
http://youtu.be/zva6-s8jza8

You can hang out with the cool young people by the pool and campfire if you have LED lights.

I wonder where you have to hang out if you have an old noisy Canon sensor?  :P  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:06:35 AM »

Crap, what do I do about the new Sony???  I need to shoot black cats in unlit coal mines and the Nikon is inferior to the Sony.  I guess the Nikon is junk and I need to get the Sony.  I'm so confused.

Please advise on which I should choose - the Nikon D810 or Sony A7S.

I found that the Apple iPad works best for taking pictures of black cats in unlit coal mines... see the attached example and notice how black the black is and how there is no noise or banding....

I'm so sad because I photographed a black cat in an unlit coal mine with my Canon, pushed the shadows 9,001 stops, and this was the result. Darn you Canon! Darn you!!!


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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:28:31 AM »
You are a sad person - is Canon paying you?

Nope. That's why I'm sad. I can only get Pentax to pay me.

Say...have you seen their new SLR with all the LED lights?  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:25:23 AM »
How much is Canon paying you to suffer and defend the brand? 

Nothing. But I'll take a 1DX and that new 400 DO  ;D

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If the threads bug you, don't read them. 

At first they were mildly interesting. But there are...what...a half dozen threads that either started on this topic or were hijacked to this topic? My post was sarcastic, but the more I think about it...

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As far as I can tell, the D810 is a Nikon-version of the 5D3, but with a substantially better sensor.

So much better you might even be able to tell the difference while pixel peeping  ::)


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Post Processing / Re: Noise, shadows, etc.
« on: August 29, 2014, 06:07:16 AM »
Thank you for your comments Keith. I'm going to give C1 a try.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II & Photokina
« on: August 29, 2014, 06:01:19 AM »
you really should compare using the normalized chart:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-70D-versus-Canon-EOS-5D___895_176

that said it still doesn't quite match the 5D, much less outdo it

* Open Comparometer.
* Compare old 5D and modern 70D.
* DxO is wrong again.  ::)

Serious question: does anyone at DxO even own a camera?

That said, I wouldn't expect crop sensors to match today's FF sensors on noise for another few years, at which point FF will be that much better. For a given level of tech the larger sensor simply gathers more light. I seriously doubt that the 7D2 sensor will make some kind of leap to FF high ISO, and if it does then the 5D4 won't be far behind with the same tech and even better high ISO.

That doesn't mean crop is a slouch at high ISO though. Its gotten pretty good.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 05:55:22 AM »
It has better dynamic range (if you don't know how to maximise DR in Canon files), but that does not equate to "better image quality", and the 5D Mk III lacks for nothing in terms of overall IQ compared to the Nikon at the image level.

Agreed.

How many of these "Is Nikon better?" threads does this forum have to endure? I mean really...is Nikon paying people for this?

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II & Photokina
« on: August 29, 2014, 12:27:15 AM »
When was the last time that we had two sensors having the exact same MP resolution but were "different " ?
I'm afraid it looks like the 7D II will have the 70D sensor . The 70D sensor is pretty good though, its just that we are expecting two sensor revolutions in two years ..which is incredibly rare.

I realize if it has the 70D sensor that this will disappoint many. But if they keep the price down I'm fine with it. The 70D is a clear improvement in noise/DR over the original 7D, and 65 cross AF points at 10 fps is awesome. I don't think they can coast 5 years on this sensor, but as long as they don't price it into the stratosphere there is nothing that can touch it for action and sports right now outside of the top end 1DX / D4.

Now if they try to charge an arm and a leg for it, I'll just stick to my current 7D for sports/action. If they want to charge more then $2k (street price...we all know MRP is artificially high) then they have to have something "revolutionary" IMHO. Those rumors have been squashed. So we'll see what the price ends up being.

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