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Software & Accessories / Re: sRGB vs Adobe RGB
« on: March 20, 2012, 06:01:53 AM »
Problem with ProPhoto is you need a more capable monitor.  There are a few monitors out there that will deliver the 1.07 billion colors, since most monitors displaying 16.7 million colors aren't enough

If you want to use the ProPhoto color space you really also should have gear that is capable, and most monitors that are out there are not

EOS Bodies / Canon most popular brand
« on: March 19, 2012, 07:55:31 AM »
Despite the "I am switching," "I am disappointed," et al threads, still looks like Canon is ruling the roost when it comes to the biggest market... consumers... Cha-Ching!

Perhaps you should stick to Point and Shoots for the time being. 

Tv or M.  'Nuff Said.

I detect Blue Crane Introduction DVDs in your future.

As i pointed out Tv and M dont solve anything with this. Read and understand.

Sure they do. 

If you are shooting in bright sunlight and need to go low and fast, then M is perfect and add either a ND or speedlight as needed. 

I would be far more concerned with the camera mismetering when trying to shoot an action shot at speeds of 500 or more, especially if you are dealing with objects such as cars, or anything else that can reflect light.

Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom VS Photoshop
« on: March 16, 2012, 01:22:21 PM »
Which is recommended for photographers? Not necessarily most popular but more for practicality, ease of use and functionality. I’m currently using Photoshop.

Depends what you are doing. 

I use both.  I use lightroom to work with general exposure and adjustments, especially when doing global changes like applying color management across all photos shot (see ColorChecker Passport)

I will then use photoshop to do my editing, especially when working with fashion or beauty shots, tools like clone, patch, etc can do wonders with skin blemishes, etc. that are far easier in photoshop than lightroom, and I find lightroom much more capable at doing things like lens correction, dealing with shadows, blacks, highlights, etc.

I preordered my 5D and I've been torturing myself by reading forum posts about how terrible it is ever since. It's made me question my decision. Is a pair of L lenses and three others enough to keep me on this horrible platform?

Seeing this made me feel a lot better.  To be honest, it's really going to be about what the picture/video is of and not what you took it with. Thanks.

That's because you've been listening to a lot of people who, to be honest, don't really know ;) 36 vs. 22 MP is not  going to make the difference between a camera that's usable and one that isn't but people get themselves in a frenzy etc etc... and pour over JPEG files rather than waiting for real tests. It just feeds into the marketing machines, which if I'm honest Nikon is better at.

It's the same with high ISO. I've heard people say the d3s and d700 "destroy" the 5dii. The d3s is 8/10ths of a stop better and the d700 is 1/3rd of a stop better. These are not "destroy" level stats - especially the comparison with the d700. 1/3rd of a stop is not even noticeable yet I've had discussions with "photographers" who claim the d700 is the high ISO king and the 5dii sucks.

I've said it before, but the difference between 22 and 36 MP is about a third extra resolution. So, if you were printing at 300dpi, most people would get an extra few inches on their maximum size print. Scaled, I'm unsure if many people could tell the difference, and by this I mean if you didn't have them side by side and asked which camera they were printed from, they couldn't tell you. Even side by side it's not certain. That means there will be no significantly business advantage to having the d800 (for most photographers).  In fact, I'm not even sure most people would notice the difference between a 12mp d700 and a 36mp d800..

Certainly, for me, the difference is less than the difference a great lens will make - who wants more resolution when the lens can't resolve it and you just have greater resolution blurry details?

Canon rule the roost when it comes to lenses (except for the 12-24). I wouldn't consider switching to Nikon for that reason alone.

Photographer > Lenses > Body (for most photographers).

You make far too much sense and are far too rational for this site...

Please consider yourself officially notified of being on probation.

In the future, please feel free to voice hysterics, complain that Canon does not listen, the prices are too high, the MP too small, the DR non-existant and how ( ) Nikon ( ) Sony (please select one or more) are kicking Canon's butt and that you are switching...

Now back to this regularly scheduled thread. 

You can not take images from 1 that is pretty much from Raw and compared to another that is upsampled by close to 30% and expect to make a true judge of sharpness.

Sure you can.  All you have to do is decide ahead of time what 'conclusion' you want your 'test' to show, and then design your test accordingly.    ::)


I can understand some of the initial premise of the upsizing, i.e. showing the same size crop so the size of an object shown in the crop is the same size, but this just does not work. 

If anything, what it tells me is either:

1)  The author is intentionally being deceptive

-  or -

2)  They really do not understand digital files, resolution and comparison.

To me the proper way of doing this comparison has to be raw to raw with an understanding that the the Nikon image will obviously be blown up a bit, but looking at a 500 x 500 pixel representation of the Canon Raw and then comparing to the Nikon Raw, one can look at the edges, CA, noise, etc. 

By the same token, another poster raised an excellent point that the lenses used will also make a big difference as I expect the quality of say a 70-200 L2.8 IS II will produce a different image than a 24-105 F/4.

By that degree, Camera to Camera comparisons can be very selective between different brands, where as at least within a brand, lens performance and difference can be mitigated.

Huge?? lol hardly download the RAW files and compare, you will see the 5D III beats the D800 at ISO and the detail on the D800 is not that much better.
I'd dissagree. I say it is noticeably better. Off course the 5DIII can go higher on the ISO with less noise. Downsampling the D800 raw to 22MP does but it in 5DIII terrytory though.
overall I think the D800 remains the better camera by far to its purpose: studio/landscape. I'm not sure high ISO tests really get what the camera is all about.

     If you actually look at the photos without Canon-colored glasses, there is a significant difference in detail and clarity, particularly with the 1st, 3rd and 4th ones. Implying that lack of detail in one image compared to another is not much different just makes one's analysis of them have zero credibility.
    I could care less about either camera (1DX is really the only new camera model for professionals to consider anyway), and I'm a rejuvenated Canon supporter thanks to the 1DX announcement, but that doesn't mean one should overlook the facts.


The Canon images were sampled up.

Quick test.

Take an image from a Nikon D4 and Bicubic resample it to 36MP and then compare it to the D800.

Which is sharper at ISO 100?

By this logic the D800 is a vastly sharper/better camera than the D4

You cannot take a 22MP image, resample / increase the image size to 36 MP AND NOT have a loss in quality.

In fact, you could probably take a D4 16MP image at ISO 100 and Upscale it to 21MP and compare to a 5D MKII and see how the 5DMKII is a SHARPER IMAGE than the D4?

You might as well compare the RAW from one to a JPG from the other.

Why not shoot the Nikon in Medium instead of Large for the file size which would be more indicative of a comparable resolution???

Ahhh... because maybe that would not show the results the bias was tending to show.

Raw is Raw... You can not take images from 1 that is pretty much from Raw and compared to another that is upsampled by close to 30% and expect to make a true judge of sharpness.

Correct me if I am wrong, but what exactly does:  "5D3 was upsided to 36 MP via Photoshop Bicubic" mean???

My interpretation is they took the Canon 22MP file, and in PhotoShop did an Image Resize using bicubic to be equal in size to 36 MP

I have NEVER been able to resize a photo up by 20% or more and not introduce defects, loss of sharpness, etc. 

EOS Bodies / Re: High ISO comparo: 5DIII vs. D800
« on: March 12, 2012, 11:20:06 AM »
Some newer High ISO from the 5D MK III

Also note, this is a pre-prod version of the body, so I expect production versions to be even sharper

Hmm. I know very little about studio gear since all of my portraiture is run & gun. I have 4 flexes and a couple of cranky 580s. The 430s work great and I almost always bring those instead. Still, this was a decision made a bit ago and I probably wouldn't make the same decision again given the high costs.

Your price difference is just for the basic set of two, but each additional Odin receiver is about $130 whereas each additional flex is $100 more than that. If you have 4 flashes, the differences really add up.
5 flexes + AC3 Zone controler (I don't like the mini because of the battery) = $1230
1 Odin trigger + 4 receivers = $850
A 44% difference. Not insignificant. But I'm sure you're right about studio lighting.

Well that 44% difference is a little disingenuous because you are making a $100 difference based upon battery, when in fact, you could even stock up on the small battery (I just picked a pair up off of Amazon for $4.50 including shipping) and never have to chance running out again for only $20.

Likewise, for my situation, I have a mini, 1 flex, and fire 2 Photogenic PL2500DRRs, 1 Photogenic PL1250DR and a 580 EX II.  My cost for my PW solution is $430 (I only paid $375 for the Mini and Flex though) and I fire 4 lights, and that would cost me $850 with Phottix???

As well.  My Sekonic light meter (L-758R) will trigger the lights, and metering with the Odins is a real pain because of the pre-flash which can't be turned off compared to what I can do, so in a Studio evironment, the Phottix solution can be 200% the cost of mine.

Likewise... What is your total watts and recycle time of your 4 580s versus 2 PL2500DRRs, a PL1250DR and a 580?  I think if I wanted the same amount of light from 580s, I would need 10.

I think e-TTL does some great things, I think speedlites are also fantastic, but I also can see in many cases size matters, both ways... Bigger can sometimes be better, and portability is great too.  When I start seeing 3 - 4 speedlites being thrown inside an Octabox, that is a $2000 light modifier.  That is expensive portability. 

How many Odin / Strato units are out there, versus how many PW, PW II, MultiMax, Flex5 and now PWIII.  If you needed to borrow a unit?  Which could you find more easily.  Part of the PW is the number out in the market and the fact that if you have had one for 5 years, it will work with the PW III.  You still may have to pick up a couple of units to take full advantage, but when I click my Sekonic, my strobes fire.  That is something the Canon system can't do nor the Odins. 

Maybe 10 years from now Strobes will be a thing of the past, and everything will be speed lites, only time will tell. 

Anyone else think that the folks at Pocket Wizard are dropping bricks right about now? There is increasing pressure from the low end of the market, given the Phottix Odins cost less, and by all accounts work just as well or better. The Pixel Kings, even a lower priced option, also seem to work well and both systems are TTL. Now there is increasing pressure from the high end as Canon introduces its own system that may very well eat into the sales to those with large budgets.

Who is left to buy their overpriced triggers? You used to NEVER see used PWs on eBay, but now there are plenty.

If I'm the CEO of PW, I'm not sleeping well.

Not sure.  Odins are a little cheaper, but not by much.  Retail of a Flex/Mini combo is $420 versus $360 so about 15% cheaper, but Odins will not work with any of the PW units that are out there already, and there are MILLIONS of PW, PWIIs and MultiMax in the market.  The Canon system looks so so, but only works with the 600 and can't fire any other flash or studio strobes, so is pretty much useless to some of us out there.  That is also not to say Odins are any cheaper because when I look at Norman, ProFoto, Photogenic and Sekonic, many of their strobes or devices have BUILT-IN PW triggers.

Now for a brand new photographer with no gear, then you may have some arguments, but the Canon solution is useless is most studios, and while the Odin can fire older Strato triggers, for many shooters, this is a more expensive option since their devices already have PWs built in

Now if Canon makes a trigger to be used with strobe or flashes via Sync, then maybe it has some impact.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 09, 2012, 01:37:00 PM »
I pre-ordered from B&H around that time as well, but I used the BillMeLater option. I've used it before, and it's a handy way to pay for things across 6 months with no interest. Just be 100% sure to pay it off before then, because otherwise you get charged the interest on the entire amount over the whole 6 months, with normal credit card rates (~20%?, not sure).

EDIT: Looked it up, 11:36PM (Central), so I should also be in that first group! I would have expected so, having jumped on it so quickly.

Be careful with BillMeLater.  I have been much happier with PayPal or a credit card.  I has an issue with damaged goods received off of eBay that I had used BillMeLater on.  Now with eBay or PayPal, on similar issues I have had, no problems, not only did I get refunded, but they even sent me a pre-paid return label?

BillMeLater?  Hard to find the form, then had to print out, fill out, fax, wait wait and wait... Long and short, cumbersome process and what would have be protected with eBay or PayPal WAS NOT with BillMeLater. 

Your Mileage may vary, but I will NEVER use this again.  As much as I hate PayPal, they have always been fairly decent with buyer protection, and Amex has been excellent in terms or covering damage or purchase issues.

BillMeLater should be renamed to "GrabYourAnkles"

You may save 6 month of interest... But best of luck if you run into issues with your purchase.  Thankfully I only lost $385 on my purchase... Risk $3500 for the process I went through??? No eFffing way!

EOS Bodies / Re: 1D bodies focus faster true or false?
« on: March 07, 2012, 01:59:17 PM »
This is more with the sensor than the lens.  Especially in low light, the sensor needs to distinguish between not a great deal of contrast.

I like the functionality in the system, but I am turned off by the price. You can get an Odin set and an extra receiver for the price of the ST-E3 which will do just about the same thing. 
I wouldn't worry too much about the stated range of 98' as I think that Canon is being overly cautious in promising more than it can deliver. A real working range for a 2.4ghz system is more like 100 meters than 100 feet. They must be working under the assumption that most people will use it in the same area as a wifi setup, microwave, and cordless phone which all can potentially cause interference. I guess that it can still function consistently within 100' under those conditions.

Actually with Odin or PW Flex you get MORE, because you can hook up and fire other speedlites as well as studio strobes and anything else that can be hooked up to the Statos or PW II, PW III, etc...   For that reason alone, I would opt for an Odin or PW over paying $450+ for the ST-E3

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III - Amazon availability?
« on: March 07, 2012, 07:18:42 AM »
I have always received my Amazon Pre-Orders Day of Releases, or in the case of many movies that release on Tuesday, I often have received them Monday or a few on Saturday when they just got their early.  (Saturday has only happened twice in 8 years or so)

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