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Lenses / Re: come on, make an affordable 600mm or 800mm!!
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:55:47 AM »
Great in theory, but I think you underestimate the cost of producing glass that size as well as once these lenses get so large, and extended, manufacturing defects increase greatly.  12 inches out if one of the lenses is off by a smidge, that error is amplified greatly.

Secondly, the demand for these lenses is soft.  Most of the users are high end sports photogs or nature photogs who can write off expensive lenses.  For the average joe, look at the complaints and whines people have on the 70-200 F/2.8 IS II and then think just how heavy a 600mm is by comparison, not to mention that a decent tripod to hold this lens will be up there as well. 

The EF 600 F/4 IS weights almost 12 pounds alone.

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Lenses / Re: Lenses for 600d or oncoming replacement
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:45:13 AM »
Depends on your purpose. 

24-105mm IS L
17-40mm L or 16-35mm L

These are all decent lenses in general.  Out of the 3, the 16-35 is probably the best lens, but it will be lost a little on the crop.  The 17-40 as well will have a lot of its short comings lost on the crop, so is a little better bang for the buck, but I think in terms of the range, if you are looking to go wide, the 10-22 is your better bet.  The 17-40 and 16-35 really are different lenses on a crop than a FF.   Now if your intent is to move up to FF in the future, these are lenses that will open up once you make your move.

the 24-105 is a very nice lens.  Not the best, but will have decent range on the crop and might make a nice walk around lens, though probably not as wide as you would like for landscape. 

I would stay away from the 18-135.  It has a nice range, but not the best lens... Extremely cheap. 

70 - 300 IS L is a decent lens... I was real close to going that way (I have both crop and FF) but stepped up into the 70 - 200.   I went the 2.8 route because then if you add an extended you are not killing yourself with the doubled F-stop, so the 2.8 on a 2X TC becomes 5.6 where as the 70-300 becomes and F/8. 

Light may not seem too much of a factor, but I find that biggest difference in the 2.8 lens is it is faster focusing in dimmer light, so that should help.  Also note though, if you do use a TC, your AF is slowed.  This is done by design, so in some cases a 70-300 or 100-400 will be faster.   

100mm IS L Macro -> very nice lens all around. 

I think bang for the buck wise, a 70-200 F/4 IS is a perfect L lens at a great price for you.  Over all I think it is a little better performer than the 70-300, and even there, if you are mainly shooting landscape on a tripod, etc, the Non-IS version can be picked up for less than $600, and the F/4 L non-IS is extremely sharp.  Probably one of Canons best bang for the bucks there is in the lens

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EOS Bodies / Re: Anyone else want a cropped sensor?
« on: February 09, 2012, 07:54:18 AM »
There are a lot of great crop bodies that are cheap upgrades from your 450D... the 60D or 7D are fine examples... heck even the T2i or T3i are a nice bump. 

I think with the advent of the improvements in the Sony NEX and some of the other cameras in general, the Crop Body is heading towards more of a Prosumer line and the 7D goes away into the 70D

Know that is not what some what to hear, but I can see with competition, there is a blurring of differences between Crop and Full Frame in terms of body performance and can't see Canon or Nikon really selling two cameras with very similar attributes other than one FF and one Crop.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How does Canon respond to the D800?
« on: February 09, 2012, 07:48:26 AM »
The price ranges are wrong. Anything under 30MP will need to be no more than $2500, probably closer to $2000. Look at the flack Canon has received for the 1DX's pricing because of Nikon's D4, even though it has more megapixels.

I can imagine the D800 causing a fair amount of angst at Canon.

How many MP does the 1DX have?  How about the D4?

Hmmm... Those are TWO cameras, one from each manufacturer, and BOTH are DOUBLE your $2500 target and triple your "closer to $2000" range.

Geee... How can BOTH Canon and Nikon even think of selling $6000 cameras that are LESS than 20 MP when a $3000 36.3 MP has just been announced.

Maybe... Just maybe... there is something more to these cameras than size of MP...


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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:54:15 PM »
I know many folks are disappointed at the 24-70 II which does not have IS... but got me thinking.

This is a beast of a lens... and looking at the MTF graphs... looks to be a huge performer.

Does the lens come before the cart so to speak...

Would make sense to me, especially if Canon has a beast of a MP body on the forefront that there will need to be better glass to really take advantage of a more dense sensor.

So maybe the 24-70, and especially the larger filter size in the front has a lot more to do with a more complete higher performing package down the line.

And while some of the other lens releases have many shaking their heads, maybe Canon saw something with the old versions on their development bodies that required improvement.

When I start seeing the revamping of lenses going on, especially when some of them seem "lateral" in nature (i.e. no major improvement in speed of glass), it makes me think that Canon is paying attention to IQ and that they saw holes in their lens performance with the larger resolution that they wanted to correct up front.

It also may explain why many have commented that the High ISO images on the D800 seem noisy or unimpressive. 

Larger resolution without a doubt will show some flaws in lenses that might have otherwise been less apparent, just the same as why some lenses that have flaws on a FF often perform better on a crop (like soft outsides, vignetting, etc.)

Something tells me Canon is fine with what is going on and a flanking maneuver may be under foot

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next? Lenses & Cameras
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:43:40 PM »
I´m sorry if things i said was upsetting to some, the thing is that i´m a very realistic person. I´m not a certain brand fanatic, though Canon is my first choice. The Nikon D800 has the same AF and metering system as the D4. 36mp and probably the best video from a dslr today. I have no doubts in my mind that Canon can make a camera just as good. But they need to hurry, they have to give us something to look forward to, not today not tomorrow, but yesterday. The sad part is that i know for a fact that a lot of people selling their canon gear and the reason is "swithing system" that´s what it says in their ads. Many doubt that Canon can match the D800. As we speak more and more are having thoughts of going to the other side. Canon should not take the D800 lightly. It´s just one camera, but it could destroy the Canon sales if Canon fails to reply right now! Show who´s boss. I always think realistic! Right now Canon is in a lot of trouble.

Well I checked eBay and other places, and have not seen a huge uptick in people dumping Canon.  Wouldn't mind it, because a flood of lenses will help me round out my needs.

Video is nice, but fro me I am more concerned with pictures.  Have not shot more than a minute of video on my 5D MK II.  To some this is huge, to me... meh.

As I have stated... Better to produce a camera that is at the top and remains for years, than to win the initial sprint and then be fore ever behind.

So when Canon does make their moves later this year as expected, and if... nothing says it will be... but IF their specs and performance are better than Nikons, then what... Maybe all these people who panicked will be screaming on the Nikon boards... HEY we need the D850... Canon's new camera shoots 40MP and ours is only 36...   They have 61 AF points and ours is only 51... They are native 12800 ISO and ours only 6400...

When will Nikon produce a decent camera... They have to respond yesterday....

Maybe they can boost the ISO to 256,000 with firmware...

NIKON??? Are you listening...

Opps... Forgot to mention... As one can see from Nikon's customer service ranking... they don't... http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/Nikon




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EOS Bodies / Re: I know the future!
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:21:45 PM »
How would a Canon 7D-5D Best of Both World's enrage?

From the 7D - better weather sealing, more FPS, better AF
From the 5D - FF, Better High ISO, Better Low Light, Better IQ
Added  - Large Resolution, some other bells and whistles like wireless built in, articulating screen, Dual Card etc.

Only downside I see to this is some of the 7D users loosing the crop/reach of some of the lenses and the EF-S lenses not fitting, but could also see maybe the 70D becoming more of stepping up to be a high FPS top-of-the-crop to fill that void. 

Compared to the D800, the Canon 5D7D would be Faster FPS, maybe a little less AF, Better ISO especially at the top end... expect 12800 Native, and cheaper.  The D800 may produce larger pics, but I think the 5D7D, especially paired with something like the 70-200 F/2.8 IS II would produce better IQ images at pretty much every level.

You're forgetting human nature... some people will bound to be ticked... especially if the consumer base cant use their ever so expensive ef-s glass on this beast.  Another thing to ponder... I wouldn't mind dual card slots (granted I hardly ever get to the point where my card runs out and i cant swap them out, I can see when they could come in handy) how many would want the CF and SD combo like the D800 or would you prefer a common size like both SD's or both CF's?  I think I would prefer the same dual CF's... keep the same speed, both be umda cards... can SD cards keep up with umda CF cards? if the CF ran out and the SD kicked in and my buffer all of a sudden started filling up quicker I would personally start to get ticked.   

Having crawled up from the EF-S ranks, outside of the 10-22, there really is not much to speak of.  In fact lenses like the 18-135 probably hurt more than they help.

But again... I could see the 70D becoming the King of the crops... May not appeal the most, but give some of the 7D users better ISO, less noise and more resolution and they may be happy.

As for the Dual card, I would say Dual CFs or CF and then the new XQD.  Not sure if the XQD will catch on.  I have only filled a card once, and that was when I had an 8 card in there because I was importing my 16 into LR.  I think SD is a step back performance wise, and would hate to have to drop down from my CF to SD.

Ultimately I am not surprised for Canon to wait a little.  Gives them time to tweak, and one-up. 

After all, if I were Canon, I would rather and release a better camera two months later and then live with that better camera on the market for 2 plus years, than be out the gate 2 months early and be passed and then have a lesser camera for 2 years. 

Really depends on what Canon does.  To me the 1DX has a slight edge on the D4.  May be some bias, but I think the ISO is better, it has larger resolution and I think offers more.  Biased?  Perhaps.  But I think the 1DX will be a low-light beast and the D4 much noisier.

I think Canon will release the 3 line.  This will be a MP Beast, maybe only 4 - 6 FPS, Little less AF, but better ISO and priced a little higher than the D800.  So more MP, better performance, better IQ especially in low light.

I also think they will release an update to the 5D.  Only slight increase in MP (24?) either the 7D AF or better, maybe 5 or 6 FPS, but in short, strengthen the weaknesses of the 5D line which really comes down to AF, add some improvements, and let Nikon have MP and beat them everywhere else.   The Canon would be cheaper, better performing except in size and be a significant upgrade. 

In short

1DX > D4
3Dx > D800
5Dx > D800 / D400

Especially if the next 5 series camera performs well at ISO 3200 and higher and has improved AF, Canon will have camera at either end of the D800 that perform. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Latest Canon disappoints wants me to switch over to Nikon.
« on: February 08, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »


What do you have for lenses and flashes?  I need some new gear.

 

Glad you asked :) My 1DsIII is spoken for, but unless Canon announces a 5DIII that can compete with the D800 by the end of the month, the following will be for sale:

- 5D Classic
- 1D Mark II N
- 17-40L
- 24-105L
- 70-300L
- Three 550EX flashes
- Canon cable release
- Badass 67mm B&W circular polarizer

All glass comes with original packaging, cases, hoods, warranty cards, etc. PM me or e-mail me at stephen@stephenkimphoto.com if anyone is interested. I'm serious :) It will allow me to avoid the ridiculous ebay seller fees :)

I thought you had some fast glass.   Nothing below F/4???

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EOS Bodies / Re: I know the future!
« on: February 08, 2012, 12:15:15 PM »
Moreover, if Canon merges the 7D-5D lineup, they will enrage the many who are looking for a higher-res FF camera (D800, anyone?), and enrage those looking for an APS-C action/sports/wildlife camera. And, I suspect the D400 is probably going to be a camera which will probabably get a lot of heads turning....

How would a Canon 7D-5D Best of Both World's enrage?

From the 7D - better weather sealing, more FPS, better AF
From the 5D - FF, Better High ISO, Better Low Light, Better IQ
Added  - Large Resolution, some other bells and whistles like wireless built in, articulating screen, Dual Card etc.

Only downside I see to this is some of the 7D users loosing the crop/reach of some of the lenses and the EF-S lenses not fitting, but could also see maybe the 70D becoming more of stepping up to be a high FPS top-of-the-crop to fill that void. 

Compared to the D800, the Canon 5D7D would be Faster FPS, maybe a little less AF, Better ISO especially at the top end... expect 12800 Native, and cheaper.  The D800 may produce larger pics, but I think the 5D7D, especially paired with something like the 70-200 F/2.8 IS II would produce better IQ images at pretty much every level. 


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EOS Bodies / Re: When will Canon Meet The Market Demand?
« on: February 08, 2012, 12:04:34 PM »
I'll give Canon until the end of the month to announce the 5DIII. If it doesn't, I'm putting in a pre-order for a D800 and putting 10 years worth of Canon gear up on ebay.

Can you give us a list of your gear so I know what to look for?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Childish Behaviour
« on: February 08, 2012, 11:22:16 AM »
The childish/silliness is continuing on POTN.  Someone is asking whether IS will be available on the Mk III version of the 24-70mm.  Unbelieveable!!
What is so unbelievable about it?

Most people are pissed that Canon made the 24-70L MK II without IS, while "lowly" Tamron releases their new 24-70 WITH IS.

I have never been interested in the 24-70L II or it's predecessor, but I do understand the frustration among people who were looking forward to the MK II (with IS).

Well given the performance of some of the previous Tamron 28-75s, IS is the least of the problems.  Maybe they got their act together, but the 28-75 was know as slow and having focusing issues in low light and having a lot of softness and CA. 

After all, I can dig up an old Yugo, throw a huge super-charger on it, and it still does not mean the car's suspension is crap and while the engine may race faster, it is still a crap car. 

Hey... Sigma has got a 70-200 F/2.8 with IS... I still would take the Canon NON-IS version over it, and probably take both the Canon F/4s as well.    Hell, the Canon non-IS is almost the same price as the Sigma with IS...  What a rip-off... ah... Not! 


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Yup, and expect the prices to continue to go up with another round of Quantitative Easing on the horizon (i.e the Fed printing more money)

My grocery bill has more than doubled in the last 5 years.

Gasoline?

Cable Bill?

This is what you get with a devalued dollar. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Childish Behaviour
« on: February 08, 2012, 09:28:46 AM »
I think some people simply like to stir the pot. 

Like anything else, people's needs and wants can vary greatly.  All the MP in the world means nothing if the IQ is not there, if anything, just makes it harder and longer to clean up, because in old computing terms... GIGO Garbage In, Garbage Out. 

I think it is foolish to expect immediate announcements or counters by companies, but do think that over time there is a natural ebb and flow to the competition. 

Competition is awesome!  It means better products.  Better improvements. and ultimately better prices.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Latest Canon disappoints wants me to switch over to Nikon.
« on: February 08, 2012, 09:19:30 AM »
I have to laugh at this.

Please.  By all means.  Jump ship and switch.

What do you have for lenses and flashes?  I need some new gear.

Is the D800 a decent camera?  Sure. 

Is it the best thing out there?  Hardly.  I wasn't overly impressed with the ISO performance and while 36MP is bigger, for most of my usage it is overkill.  Now the AF is a different matter.  For me at least a version of the 5D with improved AF and maybe a little larger resolution would be awesome and address my needs.  Hardly a reason to jump ship... especially since I KNOW Canon has at least one if not two or more higher end bodies coming out this year and I expect we will see a High MP camera (3D) and improved 5D (I think the 7D line ends and the 5D line becomes a 24 MP, 19 Cross-Point AF, 6 FPS FF)... Basically the best of both worlds... Fast, better AF, Great ISO, Solid IQ and decent resolution.  I expect this to be a $2500 camera

As for the new 24-70.  No IS.  Yes, disappoints many, but the MTF graph?  The performance improvement on this lens is HUGE. 

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Talk about jumping the shark.

Technology, especially between two leading companies tends to be a see-saw. 

I for one will be very happy if a large number of Canon users jump over to Nikon, because it will help me get my gear cheaper.

I am not a High ISO shooter, but happy to know that when I do need to push the light more, my Canon can do a decent job of it.  Have not been as happy from what I have seen from Nikon, as well as Nikon ranks as one of the worst customer service companies:

Compare: http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/nikon with http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/canon

So at 2 years newer and 50% more expensive, I would expect the D800 to offer a little more features.   Will be interesting to see what Canon releases, but I am not panicking.  Many people use to harp on Canon not having a 200-400 and how great the Nikon one was... Well. 

Technology races tend to be about back and forths...

As far as the glass you have for sale... Sadly none of it does any good for me as I have the same range, but much better glass.  I sort of have to laugh when I saw "Sorry, but I like the best equipment for the best price" and then saw middle of the line glass with the exception of the 35 1.4L, though looking at the lenses, I am suspecting more that this is really the 35 F/2


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