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EOS Bodies / Re: Do you REALLY need a new camera?
« on: January 05, 2012, 08:42:27 AM »
Do you really need a new camera? 

That is suggestive.

My progression, at least the the DSLR range has been T2i to 5D MKII. 

Did I need the 5DMKII?  For me, yes.  Huge difference in capabilities and IQ.  The t2i did well, but things pop more with the 5DMKII.

For me, I probably have one more body to go, which will likely be the 5DMK III, but probably a year or two after it has been out and the price has dropped.  Only thing I would like more out of the 5DMKII is a little more ISO and a better AF. 

Other route I have been considering may be to go to a 1DSMKIII down the line, which I believe gives me both of those, but is also double the price tag, if not more than what I paid for my 5D MKII. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: D4 AF vs 1d X AF
« on: January 05, 2012, 08:28:33 AM »
I would not even really mind the AF on the 5D MKII if the AF points had a little more spread than the center focus that they do.

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Canon General / Re: Tiffen DFX V3 anyone?
« on: January 04, 2012, 12:25:18 PM »
I have not done much "printing" yet, but have been using the V2 of DFX for a while.  Definitely does a nice job and provides a huge range of options... Some times too much.  Also nice where it has a bunch of canned presets and some of the ones have a huge amount of variability/configurability.

I probably use this package more than any other filter/plugin set

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EOS Bodies / Re: New to Full Frame - some help with lens(es)?
« on: December 23, 2011, 09:21:07 AM »
I also just jumped from the T2i to the 5D MK II

Current stable of lenses:

24-105 F/4
50 F1.4
85 F1.8
70 - 200 F4 Non-IS

For my T2i I also have the kit 17-55, the 18-135 and the 10-22

I am looking to add the 16-35 2.8 MK I to add wide angle to the 5DMKII as well as add in the 70-300 L to add some length back and add IS.

I think over all I would be happier with the 24-70 2.8 as it is faster and a little more versatile, but given my current lenses, the 24-105 was the compromise to keep from having to switch lenses. 

The best thing I love about the FF besides IQ is that my 70-200 is now more useable in the studio.  Sometimes getting shorter is not a bad thing 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Whortwhile to go for 5D Mark II?
« on: December 22, 2011, 09:07:26 AM »
There are really too camps... Those that preach the latest and greatest, and those who take a more balanced approach. 

For most people, money comes into.

Part of the equation is timing. 

Is the 5D MK III going to be better than the 5D MK II... Pretty safe bet.

Will the 5D MK III be MORE EXPENSIVE than the 5D MK II... Even safer bet.

Will the 5D MK III be $1000 more than the 5D MK II... I think that is pretty safe. 

I am expecting the the MK III to be somewhere around $3200.... Could be as low as $2900 as well as could be as high as $3500... but for anyone expecting $2500... dream on.  Not in 2012, probably not in 2013, buts seems reasonable for 2014 perhaps.

The question then becomes not if you should go for the MK III, but when do you go or the MK III.

That camera right now is vaporware.  It does not exist (in a consumer purchasable product) yet, the feature set is not known, as well as the supply is unknown.

I do lust after the MK III, but went with the MK II for now... because... well I can actually shoot with it. 

Will that cost me some money?  Of course.  Any product you use for a period of time devalues. 

I probably will not go for the MKIII IF IT IS AVAILABLE until this same time next year because of the sales... So even if it costs me $500 by the time I turn around and sell my MK II, that is about $10 a week.  I actually expect the 5D MK II to hold its value more and really only lose about $300 in the end, so about $6/Week. 

Show me where you can rent a 5D MK II for $6/week. 

It is a HUGE step up of a body for me, and well as I am getting better results NOW rather than a year from now

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There will always be cheap shooters for weddings, and in the end, people get what they pay for.  When people sit down an look at wedding albums, the shots that stand out will generally be from the Professional, or that cheap shooter will develop, learn and be charging higher as their skills and reputation develop.  Absent the cheap shooter, there will always be cousins, friends, brothers, sisters, and others with camera who will take their place, so just because the $100 amateur is not there does not mean there would not be a photography student or other similar learner who is showing skill.  Some of it is supply and demand, but a lot of it is a person only has so much to spend, and you never were in the running regardless.
This.

Someone previously said they had lost a client due to another person undercutting them.  In all likelihood that was true; but there is also the possibility that when they saw what that person was charging, they realized that there was no way they'd be able to swing that much.  Enter Shooter B and his bargain basement price.  They figure, "okay, maybe we can talk the really good guy down a bit since we still prefer his work."  No luck with that, so they end up going with Shooter B.  So even if Shooter B never existed, our friend here on the forum never had a chance at that job to begin with.  Not because someone cheaper existed or because they were "overcharging", but because the potential client just didn't have the budget for that level of service.

EXACTLY.  Near where I live there is a Kia dealer right next to a BMW dealer.  On the lower end maybe some of the BMW 128 drivers go cheap with a Kia sedan, especially when it comes to service costs, but would the person in the market for a 7 or 8 series run next door and say, Hmmmm I can get the BMW 750li for $107K or a Kia Forte for $25K.

I don't hear BMW yelling, "Hey KIA IS SELLING CAR CHEAP"  They are undercutting our business!

It is an exaggeration, but again, the Kia buyer really never is in the market for a BMW 750li Lottery Winning aside.

There will be many many many familys who simply will not pay more than a few hundred dollars for a wedding photographer, because in the end, their experience may be you look at the pics for a year or so, then they sit on the shelf...

Especially with divorce rates so high... 

My big wedding picture is currently in the attic waiting for a more suitable picture to reuse the nice frame. 

How many people are on their second marriage?  You think the "glimmer" has worn off just slightly on the idea.

I think there are actually more single people than married people now, and while memories are important, many many people are gun shy.

Also look at it this way... Would you rather work for someone who likes your work, likes your price, or someone who is stretching their dollar and hoping to squeeze more or add more out of you in the end to make it pay off. 

If someone only thinks shooting a wedding is worth $100 do you think you will up sell a lot of pics?  Do you think they are going to be easy clients to work with or difficult?

I understand the larger point of the perception that the amateur devalues the field, but I think it also saves you a lot of headaches in the end. 

How long does it take to field phone calls, discuss packages, etc.?  What if all the people who just wanted cheaper shots had no options and were spending time with you trying to figure out how they can get you to shoot for $250 or $300???

I have been away from sales for a LONG LONG time, but one of the first lessons I learned, especially when doing say presentations, was to only do so when a decision maker was in the room.  Ultimately you will have to present to them most of the time anyway, and presenting to underlings without signing authority most often was just a practice presentation.  It costs time and money to do a sales pitch, field phone calls, etc, especially when they were never in a ball park price wise.

You can look at it under-cutting your business, but I look at it as also saving you a great deal of time. 

I think there are more of these people who go with the $100 Guy with a good camera for a wedding that never really could come near to your price.

Do you consider a big night on the town a meal at Morton's or TGIFs? 

Ever have a client you gave a bit of a deal to?  Ever find that sometimes those are the ones you bust your a$$ the most for? 

Just a different perspective.

On the side I buy and sell high end designer fashions.  Have done well with it.  Have great customers who pay more than I expect sometimes, and even worries me because I find it is more than what I perceive the value to be, but more times than not, those are the happiest customers.  I also run into a TON of tire kickers, who only want to pay me half or less of what I consider the floor price to be.  They are persistent.  They can also be the biggest pain in the neck to me in terms of "minute details or issues"  I have more issues with someone who got a $100 items from me down to $75 in terms of grief or complaints, than someone I sold a $2000 item in my eyes for over $4000. 

I have also run into those who expect the finest and are seriously demanding, but when it comes to expectations and delivery, when someone steps out of their comfort range and pays more for an item or service than they are comfortable with, they tend to holler and scream the most. 




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Software & Accessories / Re: PC or MAC
« on: December 21, 2011, 12:50:09 PM »

I'm sure that exact same card is in millions of PCs doing the exact same thing. If a 4 year old Dell or HP or Samsung showed up dead do you think they'd replace the graphics card for free even if they knew it was a problem? I'd be surprised.


Actually a few years ago, Dell swapped out about 250 HD controllers that were bad at the hospital I work at on machines that were around 3 years old. 

Better yet, I fried a motherboard by mistake, I think on a machine I built, went to MicroCenter, dropped off the board and since the board was no longer carried got a credit on the purchase of a new motherboard for the price I paid originally. 

The main reason I like PCs is I have more control of the components that go into them.  A new video card comes out that smokes, it is much easier to swap and install. 

Along the same lines, similar reason that I love MacGurus for their external drive storage solutions.  as the technology has improved, the sell you the components needed to upgrade, so no need to buy a new enclosure, just upgrade the HD controllers, etc. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark II price
« on: December 21, 2011, 12:07:57 PM »
...I also think there is a chance the 5D MKIII could also be priced above $3K and don't see $3200 as unrealistic...

IMO, Canon has already tipped their hand on the price of the 5D3 and it will be significantly higher. I think you have the prices about right. Otherwise why take out a bunch of buyers like me with cheap 5D2 if 5D3 is around the corner? I'd gladly wait and pay $2700 for a 5D3 until a 5D2 shows up for $1999 bundled with stuff I'll actually use. Then the wait ends and I buy now.

But then I am not a candidate for a $3200 body regardless. I have faith Canon marketing knows the price elasticity of their market well enough to not ding their 5D3 market by dumping cheap 5D2s to people like me. And that leads to a single conclusion: 5D3 is going to cost substantially more. However, I suspect it will be well worth it for those willing to buy in that price tier.

It can always be tough when their is something new, better and greater out there.  Then again, there are some incredible shots that have been made with the 5D MKII over the last few years, so it is not like the camera is not capable. 

Would I pay an extra $1000 for a 5D MKIII over what I paid for my MK II which would put it say around $2700 after selling my MKII, maybe a little more...

Tough call, but one I could probably justify.  Anything less than $2500 is a no-brainer, and even if I take a $400 bath selling the MK II, to me it still would be a "cheap" rental fee for lots of experience as well as a gained appreciation on the MKIII. 

As it potentially pushed up into the $3K / $3.2K range... That becomes tougher.  At that point I may start thinking of glass or picking up a 7D to balance out the attributes.  I think it is pretty hard to beat the combo of a 7D and 5D MKII especially when double-strapping both.

I will start throwing aside $100 a month for the potential upgrade, but can easily see where that may put me more Feb 2013 than Sept 2012. 

Again, I think post Jan 7th or when ever those lens rebates expire, I think the 5D MKII prices will start rising, especially if a MK III is in a 6 month window or so, stock will dwindle.

If anything, I think that this "clearing" of stock is more about inventory reduction to do just that... put an upward pressure on prices once the stock thins to allow the MK III to be released at a price point somewhere around $1000 to $1200 or so above the MK II. 

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Sorry.  Disagree that if you label yourself as a "Photographer" you have to earn a living.

Example.  I am a triathlete.  I do and compete in triathlons.  Many olympic and half ironman distances, but I train, compete and complete.  There are PROFESSIONAL triathletes that also train, compete and complete races... Hence PROFESSIONAL... earn money. 

The comparisons to a pilot, doctor, etc., are useless and baseless comparisons, and as well, there are comparable distinctions between a pilot (someone who is licensed) and a COMMERCIAL PILOT, so one who is licensed, trained and likely bonded for the transportation of passengers and/or cargo.  Doctors, pilots and the like also go through not only years and years of specialized training, required hours of practice and certification, but they also are responsible for lives.   You take a bad picture, 240 people are not likely to die.  Captn Sully makes a mistake and hundreds of people possibly crash and burn or drown. 

Photography is an art form.  Art is subjective.  Art is emotional.  If your work inspires or illicits an emotion, it can sell.  I find Jackson Pollock's work to be juvenile, uninspired and just a bunch of paint sprayed from ketchup bottles.  Many would disagree.  And sorry... I would not pay $140 Million for #5 which to me could have been more appropriately titled, #2. 

This new age is an age of art.  The people who stand out are the artists.  Doesn't matter if you are a singer, a painter, a writer, or a photographer.  Who are some of our highest paid people?  Actors, Actresses, Musicians.  It comes down to talent and presentation.  I have seen some acts where I pay a $5 cover at a bar and they can put on just as good of a show as spending $500 for a ticket to a big concert.  Then again, sometimes that $5 band tries harder and gives the fans more. 

There will always be people who kick the tires, try and see if they have what it takes.  Some will succeed, most will fail, but no matter what you look and do, there will always be someone willing to do something cheaper when comes to art, because there are dues to be paid, skills to be learned, and at the top there can be a snobbery where until someone has proved themselves, they are looked down upon. 

When I look at someone like Michael Buble, not sure if the music community slammed him because he was singing in malls, but people all start somewhere, and whether it is giving your paintings away at art fairs, sometimes it takes time to get the skills and confidence to move up the ladder. 

There will always be cheap shooters for weddings, and in the end, people get what they pay for.  When people sit down an look at wedding albums, the shots that stand out will generally be from the Professional, or that cheap shooter will develop, learn and be charging higher as their skills and reputation develop.  Absent the cheap shooter, there will always be cousins, friends, brothers, sisters, and others with camera who will take their place, so just because the $100 amateur is not there does not mean there would not be a photography student or other similar learner who is showing skill.  Some of it is supply and demand, but a lot of it is a person only has so much to spend, and you never were in the running regardless. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: How often do you shoot video with your DSLR?
« on: December 21, 2011, 09:26:37 AM »
I generally forget it is even there.

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It is a tough market and dilema, but at the same time people need to get a start somewhere.  Especially when starting out. 

I currently do TfP or even more shockingly, I even pay some models. 

But that is also the level of my work. 

I am probably undercutting myself at the moment, but at the same time we also have a scale in our heads when we look at more professional shooters work.  Since I do a lot more fashion work at the moment, I will take a benchmark for me like Stephen Eastwood.  Love the man's work.  Not even close to his quality and skill.  Granted, he also easily has 100x more experience than I do, if not more, so not really a fair barometer, but as well, I also tend to work with people that most Professional Photographers piss on. 

I am trying to get better, I never plan to be a photographer as a profession, but I do plan to get to be a professional photographer.  My distinction is I want to be able to shoot on my terms, create art when I am inspired, and do want to get paid, though I will be shooting far far less. 

I have worked with a lot of new models, I have also worked with a few who have a lot more print and media and I hear a TON of stories about photographers who cancel last minute, treat the models and MUA like crap and there is the pervasive attitude of "I already have that in my portfolio, here are my rates" 

Charge $100 for a wedding... Not for me.  I actually hope I NEVER have to shoot a wedding.  Have no desire to. 

There is definitely "more" competition in the digital age, because it is much cheaper to snap 400 shots on a digital than it is to develop film, as well as it is easier to see what you are getting.

There is a defined hierarchy.  The better models want to be paid, just like the best photographers do, and generally that means a client is in their paying the fees.  Learning photographers tend to work with learning models and even there it is not a bed of roses since we have to prove more often than not that we are serious and not just a "guy with a camera" 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Do I need a better camera or a better pair of hands?
« on: December 21, 2011, 08:52:07 AM »
Over all I think your shots are great.  FF will give you a little more IQ and I find color, but I think for me, your shots are more composition choices like all center focus versus being more rule of 3rds.   I would have cropped more of the right and a little of the top on the 2nd shot, and it gives the bride more sitting in light with shadows to the left and just draws me in more than sort of the tunnel dark to the left and right.  It is a style preference. 

On the other guys shots, I find them too blue.  You may like that, some people prefer cooler to warmer pictures, and all you have to do with that is either add filters post-process or in light room shift the temp up a little higher. 

I don't mind the DOF on the 3rd shot, that is closer to how I probably would have shot it, but I think I would have pulled it back a bit more to give some more space. 

For the shots you are getting, I think you are doing fine

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Lenses / Re: All Around lenses
« on: December 21, 2011, 08:08:03 AM »
Another route would be something like the t2i or t3i.  These can be bought fairly cheap, the extra money can go into lenses and even say a 430 EX II, and the difference from a t3i to a 60D is not that far off.   60D definitely is a little faster and better AF, so it all depends on ones needs and trade offs.   The t3i is probably a little better for video.  Spend a little more and the 7D might fit nicely. 

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Software & Accessories / Re: PC or MAC
« on: December 21, 2011, 07:56:51 AM »
All depends.  For screen size, I agree with one poster, if you are using it while traveling 17" can be too big, especially with planes these days.  If you are using it more in hotels, and the like, a larger screen can be nice. 

I tend to like PCs because they are more upgradable, even the laptops.  I generally have build my own PCs for the last 15 years and as often as I have heard MAC this and that, when thinks like Blu-Ray come out, I just slap them in, where on a Mac, not so much. 

I want a faster machine, I just swap processor.  I want a really faster machine, I swap motherboard and CPU.  I double or triple my processing power every couple of years for around $400. 

I think the Mac books and the like are a lot smaller and thinner, so if size is an issue, then it might be the way to go.  I think when it comes to newer technology, it is easier to add new cards, swap drives, etc, on a PC based machine.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark II price
« on: December 21, 2011, 07:49:59 AM »
@Kingstonwhites - I think there will still be a market.  After all, who would by the 5D after the release of the 5D MKII and even through this year I would still see those selling at $1000+

I think especially for those entering into the market, which there always will be, the MKII will settle into the $1700 - $1900 range when the MKIII is finally announced, and there will still be a $1000 - $1300 gap between models.  For many of those new people... That will boil down to I can get the 5D MKIII body and well maybe one lens, or I can get the 5D MKII, a 24-105 and a 70-200 F/4 for the same price of a body alone, and then they can upgrade to the MKIII a year or so down the line when they have saved up a little more. 

The nice thing about "buying at the bottom" is you often can get a few years out of something and almost get out what you put in. 

I also expect the MK II price to go back up over $2K once the holidays are over.   Regardless I paid $1800 for mine with 2500 shutter clicks, so not too concerned about the hundred or so I would lose if I sold today, tomorrow or in the near future.  I also think there is a chance the 5D MKIII could also be priced above $3K and don't see $3200 as unrealistic, especially if they add a 30MP sensor, better AF and improved ISO.  They need to protect the 1Dx as well, so I expect the MKIII to have lesser FPS, ISO and AF points in comparison, but higher MP.    Would also not surprise me if we only see 24 - 27 MP as well. 

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