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Canon General / Re: Consumer DSLRs “dead in 5 years”
« on: October 27, 2013, 12:03:44 PM »
Isn't it great how people like to play Nostradamus. Great Article.

I guess everyone has shorted Canon &  Nikon stocks by now and purchased a bagful of Sony shares after reading this article.  After all what do these billion dollar companies know.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« on: October 27, 2013, 10:46:50 AM »
The spec list on expected lines. Given that it is a CR1, you can give or take a few as you are comfortable.

I'd buy one with these spec at 2K if the high ISO performance was around two stops better than the current 7D - maybe I'm asking for much.

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM
« on: October 27, 2013, 10:43:43 AM »
Shot from a recent washed out trip to the English Rain District

1/320 f7.1. A great versatile lens and good value to boot.

Nice shot Sporgon. How do you like the contrast on the 85 f/1.8?

BTW, no respite from the rains for you, it seems  ;)


Bad analogy, as I think people actually want and would buy a flying car.

Not really ... the point I was trying to make is that the auto-makers were struggling because the economy was in bad shape and not because they were not innovating enough.

Therefore CaNikon are both receiving their well-deserved punishment.

ah and who exactly is the new star on the camera sky?

None ... the poster however in this case has a fascination for the new Sony cameras and with all the gushing emotion probably he is oblivious to the fact that sales of cameras are on the decline worldwide and not just because Canon has not come up with a mirrorless FF.

If this were the auto industry you would be forgiven to believe that it has been receiving its "well deserved punishment" because they haven't innovated enough to make a car that flies!


no wonder so many photographers struggle doing business when they are so bad at grasping economics.

 ;D ;D

Canon General / Re: What's Next for Canon?
« on: October 27, 2013, 09:00:03 AM »
... It is really essential to understand that axis-counting is no good as a way to determine effectiveness of an IS system.

con we agree that in practice camera shake can and will occur "in any direction, sideways and rotational - in all three axes of our three-dimensional world (x, y, z) and even in any combination therof? 

Yes, number of axes stabilized does not tell us anything about an IS system's effectiveness (how well it stabilizes ... 0, 1,2,3,4,+ stops - and under what conditions?). But offering stabilization in more/all directions is essential to build a dramatically better IS system than one working "in 2 directions (x,y - angular) only.

And as for in-lens IS "being specialized for each lens" this really is a marketing joke. Of course it has to be "specialized" and "built to order" for each lens, because of the differences in optical design. After all in-lens IS introduces an additional, moveable lens element/group in the light-path, which would otherwise not necessarily be needed to yield the desired imaging capabilities.

At the sensor level however, shake is shake. It has direction/s, frequency and amplitude. Amplitude will be larger, the narrower the FOV of the mounted lens, that's all. For teh system to work well, it does not have to be tailored to each lens. It just has to be effective in quickly moving the sensor exactly in the right direction/s by the required amount of travel. Irrespectively of whether a lens with 10mm lens or 800mm focal length is mounted, and what optical lyout is used in that lens.

The best in-sensor IS systems today are every bit as effective as in-lens IS ... at a fraction pof the cost. Since it is needed only once per body, not once in every single lens. The only inherent advantage of in-lens IS systems is the ability to stabilize the viewfinder image in a DSLR. In mirrorless cameras with EVF, this is not needed, since the viewfinder image comes directly from the sensor and will automatically be stabilized. No matter what lens, as long as the amplitude of the camera shake is within working limits of the IS system. :-)

IS in the camera itself is a great concept but suffer from inherent limitations as well. The lenses need to have a bigger imaging circle which can take into account the sensor movement range. With telephoto lenses, the sensor needs more room to move - now think in terms of super-tele focal lengths ... improbable at 800mm. Ever wondered why the new mirrorless EVFs don't have IS built into the camera? The small form factor will be thrown out of the window.

To put things into perspective, the following extracts from the Bloomberg report -

The value of worldwide camera shipments dropped 19 percent in August from a year earlier, a ninth consecutive monthly decline, according to the Camera & Imaging Products Association in Tokyo.

Operating income at the imaging system division, which handles cameras, rose 8.2 percent to 56.9 billion yen in the quarter ended Sept. 30 as revenue gained 8.2 percent.

The decline in demand for interchangeable lens cameras stems from sluggish economies especially in Europe and Asia, Chief Financial Officer Toshizo Tanaka, told reporters in Tokyo yesterday. “It’s a temporal decline and we expect demand to pick up next year as the global economy recovers.”

But as is the case at CR, people always claim to know better ... even it is means ignoring facts staring at them in the face.

it is very simple. Canon and Nikon are being punished for not having brought to market DSLRs that are both affordable and interesting to regular-income photo enthusiasts. Lack of  interesting products ... less sales. 1 Million less incrementally boring DSLR-iterations ... hahaha, I love it. Customers are king, after all.

Two years ago (late 2012) Canon and Nikon missed the boat. No compelling and affordable APS-C DSLRs. No D400. No 7D II. Pricing closer to USD 1000 than to 2000. Of course with built- in GPS, Wifi, and in Canon's case EX-RT radio flash trigger. And fully articulated LCD (not just tilt!). For Canon the old 45-point 1 AF system plus a kick-ass 24MP APS-C sensor, half a notch better DR and Hi-ISO than the Nikon D7100 sensor. Nikon would have easily gotten away with the D7100 sensor and AF system (Multicam 3500DX).

And today, CaNikon are missing the boat again, because they have no mirrorless FF MILCs ready now and it looks they will not even have one ready within the year.

These days, only a few budget-restricted, conservative die-hards insisting on OVF are willing to swallow marketing-crippled FF DSLRs (6D, D610) still priced at more than 1500. All others are buying Fuji APS-C instead and/or are will be buying innovative and more affordable FF-mirrorless cams.

CaNikon are in for a lot of punishment. Well deserved.

Punished??? The whole market is down! It is the economy that is under tremendous punishment which is translating into lower sales of consumer goods.

Just because you need EVF and mirrorless doesn't necessary mean everyone wants them. BTW, how much profit did the fan favorite Sony with its EVF and high DR churn out???   ::) ::) ::)

Additionally, late 2012 was last year ... not two years ago  ::) ::) ::)

This is not really unheard of. Martin Bailey has an excellent solution for this ... Well worth a read -

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: High Megapixel DLSR a niche market?
« on: October 25, 2013, 11:10:19 PM »
Was this an exchange of emails in official capacity or just a personal exchange?

Landscape / Re: Post Your Best Landscapes
« on: October 25, 2013, 09:38:06 PM »
@ sporgon ... Love the shot of the gate.

Landscape / Re: Post Your Best Landscapes
« on: October 25, 2013, 09:35:39 PM »
Sunrise shining onto low cloud at Seathwaite Bridge, Borrowdale in the English Lake District.

5D, 24-105 @24mm
Unusual, but probably a bit more typical of what you see. I didn't manage to get anything this time, I couldn't really see the hills on the opposite side of Ullswater and rain and wind tend to play havoc with lens elements and filters :P.
Here are a some of my favourites from Scotland instead.

Looking up Strathconon by Kernuak (, on Flickr

Sunlit River Conon by Kernuak (, on Flickr

Evening on the River Leven by Kernuak (, on Flickr

Nice images ... I particularly like the second one

Strangely enough, Canon doesn't change it's forecast for the compact sales it expects. It has cut its forecast only for the interchangeable lens cameras. Doesn't reconcile with the title of the Bloomberg article at all  ???

Sure it does.  Megapixels are what matters.  Everyone is ditching their 18-36 MP dSLRs for the 41 MP Nokia phone.   :P


How do you guys keep the boxes? I take out the packing material, collapse them and store them folded down

I just store them intact, with the packing material inside them. 

Are you saying you discard the custom-molded sytrofoam inserts, etc.?  That would seem to defeat the purpose of keeping the packaging, which comprises more than just the box.  If you sold me a lens listing it as original box included, but didn't have the packing material...technically, it wouldn't be deceptive, but I'd not be happy about it.

I guessed so but as I said in my earlier post, my wife might notice and that's a risk I'm not willing to take ;)

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