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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Pressure By the Nikon D600?
« on: June 20, 2012, 12:22:00 PM »
$849 for just a T4i? Seriously...
You do realize the T3i and T2i released at the exact same price for the body. And that the T1i I believe was $799 for the body. It's not even like the 5dIII where there was a big price jump, its the exact same pricing as previous generations.

EOS Bodies / Re: NEW FF Body that is able to take EF-S Lens
« on: June 19, 2012, 11:11:11 PM »
If Canon doesn't do this, the decision will be purely sales driven.  It forces people to but new lenses if they move from APS-C to FF.
Or it will be driven by Canon not wanting users confused about why their lenses cause a huge black circle around their image on their $2000+ camera. Gonna be a lot of pissed off users when they find out "using" an EF-S lens means this

Besides, if you're putting $2k+ into your camera body...what EF-S lens would you even want to mount on it? I guess I could see someone wanting to use the 10-22 or 17-55...but, Canon make full-frame versions at the same price points basically (17-40 and 24-70)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Mirrorless Entry
« on: June 19, 2012, 11:07:21 PM »
Proof is in the pudding - pancake 40mm points towards a bigger sensor (and no new mount?)...
Except why would they release a lens for a system before the system is even announced? You think they have 3 other pancake lenses lined up for a mirror less EF system?

The pancake 40mm points to Canon wanting an f/2.8 prime with the silent autofocus motor at a price that Rebel users would purchase.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Mirrorless Entry
« on: June 19, 2012, 05:19:37 PM »
I was hoping for FF or APS-C size and can be used with current EF "L" lenses
Canon makes a whole line of cameras that can do that...the T4i, the 60D, the 7D, the 5dII, 5dIII, and soon, the 1DX.

If you wanted the DSLR capabilities in a mirror less sized body (like, Sony NEX size), you're dreaming. For one, the EF mount alone would make the mirror less camera the size of a T4i. The sensor would cause the same effect. Canon hasn't sized the Ti camera's up, thats about as small as they can reasonably make an APS-C sized sensor with EF mount.

While there could be some other nice features from mirror less, I haven't seen anything from the current crop (better AF, better frame rate, better video, etc) that would make me drop my DSLR and switch. And I don't expect Canon to be the one to get their first

Canon General / Re: Canon Launches Mixed Reality System
« on: June 18, 2012, 05:36:24 PM »
Not quite sure what to make of this.
It looks like the technology allows designers to change designs on the fly. So if you wanted to move a button on a camera and figure out how it feels ergonomically, you can do it far quicker than chiseling out a new mockup.
It basically seems like it has no affect on 99.9% of consumers. Only those that already do design that might be interested in how a high end company is innovating their R&D process to keep time and cost down.

So, maybe it means the 5dIV will cost $3400 instead of $3500

* You think I'm crazy? In the first weeks, where it was really hard to find a 5D3 in stock, they sold on ebay for a big markup ($4000 body only). But now it can already be bought at a discount at reputable ebay sellers ($3220). I think the official price will follow in the coming weeks.

that's why I started this thread:
Yes, you are crazy, and for the same reasons people stated in that thread. Amazon USA's top seller list is one specific metric of many...and yet you are inferring everything from it. For one, a lot of the original pre-orders got cancelled at Amazon because B+H, Adorama, etc got stock before them. Cameras were shipping and people got mad that Amazon hadn't even gotten a shipment yet. You can find threads on this forum to that effect. So that would impact your numbers. Especially since the D800 has had universal stock issues, and I haven't read about a specific retailer getting orders dumped. That doesn't even factor in whether the target audiences would normally buy from Amazon.

Then lets go further. Amazon has one option for the D800, yet two for the 5dIII (body and kit). Today, the 5dIII body is 5th, the D800 is 6th, the 5dIII kit is 39th. Do you know what that means? No, because that only tells you relative numbers. Do pre-orders affect those rankings? Do they factor in cancelled orders? If I'm assuming answers like you, I'd assume the D800 got crushed today and I should expect to see it for $2800 in a few weeks. You're asking the 8-Ball for answers and assuming its all knowing.

At best, I think you'd see Canon admit prices are too high by doing a big body/lens combo rebate. Rather than taking $150 or $200 off, like they have for the APS-C cameras, you'd see $3-400 when you buy a lens with it. Even then, I wouldn't expect that until the end of summer.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: When to get a used 5d2?
« on: June 18, 2012, 12:37:52 PM »
I'd definitely wait to see what happens after Canon does their inventory and puts the refurb cameras back in their might affect prices on some things

As for your question on price, I'd say the cost of the 5dIII is what is keeping the 5dII market afloat. For full-time wedding pro's making really good money, they upgraded to the 5dIII right away for the improved AF and fps. But, for a lot of other users, the cost wasn't worth some of the upgrades. The 5dII was the only affordable full-frame from Canon, so everyone who wanted full-frame got it. Now there are two options, and the cheaper one is gonna be what a lot of people accept unless they need added features.

I don't think you'll see the price of the 5DII drop significantly unless Nikon releases the D600 very soon, or Canon releases a $2000ish 5dII replacement shortly

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Rebel T4i Review With Video Samples
« on: June 15, 2012, 12:44:20 PM »
That's about what I expected for the auto-focus. Maybe the STM lenses will be smoother, but, the sample in that video is just a slightly improved version of the Nikon auto-focus. It certainly doesn't replace or come close to video camera AF

EOS Bodies / Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« on: June 15, 2012, 08:33:15 AM »
If the translucent mirror gives the A99 a frame rate approaching 10fps with 24mp at the rumored price of around $2500 - $2800, then the 5D Mark III becomes even harder to justify at $3499.
Well, the whole EVF v optical viewfinder is still kind of a big deal. I still haven't seen an EVF that makes the camera worth it...both between killing the battery life and making it hard to see in less than ideal conditions (things that matter to full frame users).

Lenses / Re: Recommendations for a fast sub-28mm lens for ~$1k?
« on: June 14, 2012, 06:22:21 PM »
For fast, wide and relatively cheap, the two contenders are Samyang 14mm f/2.8 and Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8.  Other options are either above 17mm, slower than f/2.8 or much more expensive
Yep, and both would work well for your purposes. The Tokina would give you more options, the Samyang would be cheaper. If those aren't fast enough, your only real Canon option is the 28mm f/1.8. Also, if the Tokina is too wide for your tastes, there is the older Canon 20-35mm f/2.8L that you can get for $4-500ish on Ebay, if not cheaper. But I think the 28mm f/1.8 would probably give you stronger image than that.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: right time to turn pro...?
« on: June 14, 2012, 02:37:26 PM »
But it's not just about income. I made a disturbing realization that the more I was shooting for money, the more my hobby was dying. It has now been YEARS since I went out to take some pictures just for fun. It's not that I don't have time to do it - I just don't feel like it if you can believe that. And that thought saddens me, because I loved my hobby.
I had this same thing happen with my video work; I work as a video editor AND I was producing videos all weekend, and I just got burned out so quickly. It just occurred to me that I haven't done a video in my free time in 4-5 months now basically...which used to be unthinkable. Thankfully I've kept photography from becoming that, and while I did just shoot a friends wedding, I know its not something I want to do consistently for income.

Another good place to ask advice from wedding photographers is this forum:

They've been discussing a lot of the same things you asked, and you'd probably learn a lot of the business side from there. I agree with whoever said to become a 2nd shooter for someone; it takes a lot of the risk away from you, but it gives you invaluable experience. The other thing you need to do is stop doing free work; because it will get you branded as the guy who does his work for cheap. If you want to start doing photography full-time, you need to really decide what you'll need to charge, and if you can book clients at that price.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Some questions about 650D, Help me!!!
« on: June 14, 2012, 02:31:31 PM »
1, Do the 9 cross points have a big difference compare to 600d?
It depends what you are shooting. What it will help do is lock focus faster, and its useful for shots where things are moving (people, cars, animals, etc), since it has more points to differentiate what is what.

If you were using a 600D right now, you'd probably notice it gets focus correct a little more often; but it's not what I would call a big difference (the 600D v 7D or 5dIII AF would be a BIG difference). But, as features go, it's one of the more useful areas to have an upgrade in, since the AF is one of the biggest elements that decides whether or not you get the shot.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« on: June 14, 2012, 02:24:34 PM »
But the D600 is potentially a game changer - a FF camera for not much more than the high-end APS-C which an entry-level APS-C consumer might consider as an upgrade.
Yep, if the spec list for the D600 is even close to accurate (24mp, 39pt AF, 6fps...make 2 of those 3 correct and its crazy), and its priced at or below $2000, Canon will have to respond or lose a huge chunk of users. Because while I'd love full-frame, the 5dII lacks some of the things Id want for the occasional action/nature shooting I do. But, that's where my next body upgrade will be; into a full-frame with better AF, or into the 7dII with great specs...and the same is true for many other xxxD and xxD users. If the only option I have is to go up to a 5dIII, then I'd have to look elsewhere at some point

The D800 v 5dIII argument won't even cost Canon .1% of their market share, since its a relatively small base anyway. Being wrong about consumer (T4i, etc) and prosumer (60D/5dII) level cameras is where they lose percentages.

Couldn't Canon make a mirrorless camera with EF mount and a shorter flange distance?

Lenses for the mirrorless camera would not focus on other cameras with EF mount, so some special designation like EF-ML would be required, but regular EF & EF-S lenses would mount using an extension tube with contacts.
But why make it EF mount at all then, since an EF adapter is basically just an extension tube. I mean, look at the patent, it's an extension tube with electrical contacts

The only reason to make it EF mount would be so people could use EF lenses right away with no adapter...once you add anything between the lens and the camera, you might as well optimize it for the target market (in this case, small camera with small flange distance). If the EF-ML lenses don't work on DSLR's anyway, there is no reason to build them around an existing idea, especially if something completely new is simpler and smaller

Why not just get the new T4i????
Cause you can get the 60D cheaper, and because part of taking pictures is holding the camera. If you've held a Rebel and the 60D, you'll feel a huge difference.

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