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for video....if you're on a budget, I don't think you should be looking at the best lenses from Canon. You could wait for the new Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 IS, should be released very soon ($900-1000?), seems like a good all around lens.

I think the lack of image stabilization in fast top Canon lenses makes them too expensive for videographers. If you're going to spend a lot in a lens for video, it should have IS.

I'd get something similar to this set, there are other options but most have slower apertures.

Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 IS
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8
Canon 50mm f/1.8 or f/1.4

I think this should cover most of your shots, maybe get a telephoto later.  :)

I'll second that.

The 24-70L is great for video - sharp with excellent color/bokeh (use cinestyle to reduce the deep contrast), but if you're going to be walking/shooting, you will want IS.
The Tamron might not look as nice, plus IS degrades image quality, so I'd wait for reviews, but it might be just what you need.

The 50 1.8 is a must.

Not at all, I wouldn't want it and I suspect it would cause more trouble than it's worth, and video is really all I do with DSLRs.  People have been using MF in the cinema industry for as long as it's been around, I don't think any professionals will be disappointed in the slightest bit. 

If it's always been done that way, clearly it's the best and only way.
Hollywood was never in danger of becoming obsolete until now, so their failure to innovate was never an issue.
When film costs as much as a house, every second is precious.
They've mastered the distribution of each role in producing a marketable product.

You still need actors, direction, sets, costumes, visual effects, grading, editing, sound, and music.
But the ability to capture raw material has been revolutionized.
Computers/software have revolutionized what one intelligent person can do in post.

Movie AF, if stopped down, could be a vital feature for one-man steadycam/crane work.
At the very least (and I've said this 1,000 times now), stutter-free follow focus controller.

There is no room for a 2000$ FF: the 5dmk2 is already at this place.
Canon won't spend money (research, production lines, testing, advertizing...) and time to replace an award-winning, best-selling product such as the 5dmk2.

Next annoucements will be april and september, for june and november availabilities. Seems like a nice roadmap to me (Canon mirrorless for christmas, yay  ;D). This will already be 4 major photography products (1D X, 5D3, 4K and mirrorless) in a single year.

I'm hoping for a mass megapixel FF and a sport-oriented APS-C (7D2 ?) announcements during Q1 2013.

People are reluctant to buy a 3.5 year old camera.

Testing??  Thanks to the internet, they have a willing supply of worthy testers... for free.
Research?  They already developed the digic 5+/sensors/etc., it's just a question of price point.

Canon advertises stupidly...  Didn't see t2i adverts until the t3i was out.
Speaking of stupidity, remember the 7d, t2i, t3i, and 60d?

Clearly they have no problem with redundancy... hell, they flaunt it.

An entry level FF $2k (+/- a few hundred) DSLR will sell.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cinema EOS 4K Camera [CR1]
« on: March 25, 2012, 03:08:06 AM »
If this is primarily going to be a video camera, wouldn't it make more sense to use the C300 body instead of the 1DX?

The c300 and all "video" bodies are stupid.
5D2 taught us that.
GH2 body would be perfect if the buttons weren't crap.  Add dials, weatherproofing, battery.

The lighter/smaller the bodies go, ohhh the places you'll go.
The camera is merely a storytelling element, and the increasing opportunity to put it in motion pushes the limit.

XLR is useless without a great preamp.

If they continue to ignore movie AF possibilites...  They're idiots.
Make it hunt slowly, in a unified direction (not hunting all over the place).
Use AF button to lock on the subject for the duration of recording (doesn't the iPhone have this??)
Or... How certain long L's have the focus recall, set multiple focus pts you can cycle between.
At the very least, they MUST combine face recognition with the digital zoom WHILE recording.
They wont.  Idiots.

another video review:

he doesn't seem too thrilled :( to say the least he basically out and out blasts them....
(to be fair the GH2 is a bit stair-stepped, so it's maybe not quite a 100% natural extra detail, but the 5D3 does look a bit soft though, mcuh softer than the C300, which has a great quality)

I know I get heat for blasting Canon so much in forums, but this why, so they avoid stuff like this and stop being so conservative before they blow it all. They did finally listen on AF, but as soon as they listen on that then they get even more conservative on the other elements. That is not the way to charge forward, take over and dominate markets and become THE player for the long term. You don't want to sit on leads and milk things so much.

And it is a good thing they got lots of heat on AF, because if they hadn't gone to town on that this time, finally, they'd really have been in trouble. They do seem to ahve delivered in spades on that at least and it's not a minor element by any means.

Sounds like a damn fair review, and I'm sure both will post some awesome comparison vids in the near future.

When the c300 came out with less features than I expected from the 5d3, I knew they'd stunt 5d3s video.

Moire and aliasing are gone, cool.  They're gone with the Mosaic filter in the 5d2 as well.

Maybe the 4k dslr, maybe a FF mirrorless, maybe the GH3...
Video people without unlimited pockets are left in limbo.
But the GH2 makes for a hell of an adequate limbo.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Megapixels are Coming [CR1]
« on: March 16, 2012, 02:54:20 AM »
They need to hurry with the 4K C-DSLR. Sony is kicking Canon's A$$ now in video and a LOT of people have switched to the Sony FS-100, especially now that the Metabones adaptor allows full electronic interface with the FS-100 and Canon lenses. Canon could have owned that market, but they slept on it, so Sony took advantage and came out on top.

The 5D3 is shaping up to be a real disappointment in video since it's still has the soft, up-res'd false HD (at least in the early test models). So yeah, the 4K C-DSLR really needs to come out. And have a FLIP SCREEN for God sake. We need it for video.

If it's not soon, I'm going to have to buy the Sony FS-100. I'm not thrilled about it since I now hate shooting with the video camera form, but I need a better picture.

If the 4K DSLR came out at NAB in April, I would buy it the next day even it it is $6000. I need a better video solution and I cannot wait much longer.

And NO, that is not going to be the high mega-pixel camera from Canon. Video requires low mega-pixels because then the processor has less work to do to down-scale the image into a 2K output (or in this case a 2K to 4K) output.

I can't imagine the 4k DSLR coming out before Winter for one reason:
Summer is the only time you can shoot (without actors whining/dying) in much of the world.

I'm expecting around $6k for 4k as well, but I don't see it happening...
unless they offer $13,000 rebates on the stupid C300.

Don't buy the FS-100.
Buy 10 Gh2s instead.

Nobody can wait much longer for a solution, especially Canon.  The ONLY reason the 5Dii broke every camera sales record ever was video.  "Video cameras" were poised to destroy film, but they forgot to make them anything like film.

DSLRs swooped up everyone looking for the "film look" for not the price of a car ("video" cams) and not the price of a house (film).
But it's only a matter of days before phones are shooting 4k, global shutter.

We'll be rotobrush/gaussian blurring phone footage to look like the DSLR that never was.
Hollywood is a perpetually dazed Raiden.


the fisheye has blown me away with its artistic potential

Fisheyes reach their full potential when they are underwater, and attached to the optic nerves of fish.

Haha, close.  But to truly reach its full potential it must be hand-held video... by Michael J Fox... during an earthquake.

Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: IPAD 3 = Lame
« on: March 09, 2012, 07:52:40 PM »
I don't know how much utility a tablet tether would really bring.  Sounds like a tangle of cables and lots of opportunities for drops.  I agree just get an air if you need to tether.

 I'm not sure what you're picturing when you say a tangle of cables. The tether uses 1 cable -  that's 1 individual cable - it's plural -  singular - less than two & more than zero. Why would a 10 inch tablet be more difficult to hold than a laptop?
 ??? ???

HOLD??  If I could tether smooth liveview, I'd build an awesome Honey-I-Shrunk-The-Kids hat contraption.

EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« on: March 09, 2012, 07:47:49 PM »
Not disappointed at all. Get used to it.

So the 5D IV body will be $4999
5D5, $7500?

Actually, that sounds about right.

$7500 won't even be bad in 2020.
We'll be back to trading chickens and goats.

At least it will be well documented... Though it still won't have full HDMI out.

EOS Bodies / Re: Buy T3i or Wait for T4i?
« on: March 09, 2012, 07:39:58 PM »
T4i rumors have been really sparse but I'd wait.

1) There is usually a new one every year and it's been 18 months. It must be coming soon.
2) The T3i (which I have) was a pretty small upgrade from the T2i.  Based on my wild guessing, it's time to do something notable again. :)

I second this.  Don't buy the T3i.
It really wasn't even deserving of a new number.
Shoulda been the T2iB or the more redundant T2ii.
60d should have been T2iC.

Swivel screen and a bad video zoom.  Subtraction of LCD sensor, a useful button for ML.

If it's video you're after, get the GH2.  If you really want stills, you should be able to find some cheap and dirty t2/t3i's.
Just be sure to not buy Canon accessories.  The Opteka 2000mah batteries can outlast Canon, at $10 vs $45

Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: IPAD 3 = Lame
« on: March 09, 2012, 07:37:17 AM »

Tethered and liveview would be a killer app.

You've been able to do this from Android devices for a while now.

This is my exact point, USB host functionality is integral to the rise of tablets If Apple keep a ceiling on the development Android are going to eat them alive since they dont have the same dogmatic limitations
Unfortunately its a hardware thing so even jailbreaking it wont help :(

I love the way iOS do alot of things but other than the nice screen an ipad essentially does nothing more than my iphone can so i see no benefit in having one. although browsing CR is a little tough on the small screen of the phone i'll admit that

Sadly, USB 2.0 lags too much for useful video liveview.

And that app doesn't work on Android devices.  It works on SOME Android devices, meaning not my phone.


Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: IPAD 3 = Lame
« on: March 09, 2012, 06:50:24 AM »
IPad was not designed as a workhorse. It's rather a presentation tool than interface for storage or serious photo manipulation device. I hate all the restrictions and stupid compromises in IOS like iTunes synchronization (like: "...this action  will remove all your existing photos with new ones"...) or lack of true USB support.
On the other hand, if you store your photo library on Mac with iPhoto (ie. with faces reocgnition), then it's a great accompanying iPhoto app on iPad (ie. with photos categorized by people after being recognized and categorized on mac first), but rather for viewing not editing. That's the philosophy though.
I think that market for such specialized apps like HDMI screen for DSLRs is not big enough to support it by Apple. And again let's not forget, that lack of some useful apps for EOS support on iPad is not because of Apple's policy, but rather Canon's restrictions - no development library for IOS. If Canon doesn't see a potential in it, why Apple would?

Horsephallus.  They both know damn well their products are perfect complements. 
Lets see, buy a $500 5" monitor (plus external batteries and other accessories), or spend less for a computer, with a 10" screen, built in battery, wifi, 4g.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.

If it had HDMI or Thunderbolt in, they could market new tiny portable HDDs and SSDs (w/HDMI/TB)so you could...get this, actually watch your movie collection (which obviously exceeds 64GBs) on that gorgeous new screen.
It would also be an incredible tool for dumping footage... If Canon didn't skimp on the TB.

But check it out...
Sweet jumping titties!!!  Only $190 extra per desktop external!
$150 for the sonnet 3/4 adapter, something Apple phased out (except 17"... for now) for a stupid SD slot.  I frequent the SD, and it's still the stupidest decision ever made by humans.

Our masterful mastery of mass production doesn't appear to be working...though, licensing sure does.
They market TB for "professionals" so they can get away with it.
Load of crap.

The technology within TB does sound intense and a bit expensive, but why steer it toward pros when you could forcefully phase out everything else?  (Think one-port electronics with mini squid adapters to any antique ports you need)
13 months.  Not long in Earth years I suppose, but this could very well be the last wired wire used by humans for these purposes.

Nobody will run with it.  They sit around and hesitate (raising consumer speculation), finally release and overcharge (causing consumer apathy).
I trusted Apple, Intel, and Canon to take it to the limit.  So far, they've come up flaccid.

Maybe if we all start quietly chanting Ivy Bridge, Ivy Bridge...

Lenses / Re: Still need a fast lens?
« on: March 07, 2012, 04:36:29 PM »
Here are some situations when you might need high ISO speeds and a fast lens:

1. Indoor action sports. Now some sportshalls are too dark to shoot decent pictures.
2. Fast moving animals in the woods while the dusk sets in.

With the newer cameras with higher ISO speeds it is posible to shoot in these situations (while it was not possible before) but you still need fast lens (else the gain in shutter speed is gone).

Damn right, I'd also like to add

3.  Wandering around at twilight, picking up incredibly clean pics/video using street lights.

The possibilities are endless with a fast lens + 5diii, go where no man has gone before (and stop down in those places).
That being said, the kit lens would be great for daytime/most photography needs, particularly if you're just beginning.

The 50 1.8 is a great place to start (you can shove it in your pocket, juggle it, etc.)
...and a 24 1.4 is a great place to end.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Full Spec List?
« on: March 01, 2012, 06:48:06 PM »
Looks like the 7d.  I don't get that stupid stop/start picture/video dial thing.  Shutter-picture, Set-record...hopefully changing it back to that is an option.

The rate button may be scoffed by some, but plenty of iffy pictures can be salvaged in post. With a rate feature, they should have a search filter function so you can quickly skim the best shots, perfect to show a client.

It's sad that the t2i will still have more features.  Canon should hire Alex and release an official ML firmware.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III - Body Price At Announcement
« on: February 28, 2012, 12:03:56 PM »
$3500 may be too much for you, but what makes you think it's too much for everyone else?  Sure I'd love the thing to be $1500, but I'm trying to be realistic.  The first batch is going to sell before it even hits the shelves, why should Canon not take advantage of that?  Out of the kindness of it's multi-billion-dollar heart?

Just because strong initial demand makes it possible to inflate the price does not mean the manufacturer will inflate the price. Such a practice carries a high risk of bad PR.

It can't get bad PR regardless of price.  Preorders will overflow in a matter of minutes... even if it was $4000 body only.

All video people are salivating over this update, tired of "video" cameras being awful for video, 4x (to 100x) the price, and 5x the needed size.

Artifacts finally removed, rolling shutter reduced...  This will be the best possible camera for the purposes of 99.5% of the people who need video.

The .5% will be resolved with 4k/global shutter/raw(or at least full HDMI out).

All these people have been waiting very (im)patiently for Canon to stop releasing the exact same camera - 7d (t2i, t3i, 60d).  They will swarm to this.  Production facilities will buy large quantities, because they're still relatively dirt cheap.

Also, I expect Chris Dodd will personally be buying up several mass shipments just to defecate on in a misguided attempt to save Hollywood.

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