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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:35:02 PM »

The 5D3 is a great camera but not worth (at least to me) the $3400 price tag. After reading people's thoughts and reviews I was expecting a powerhouse of a camera, and it really wasn't. I just couldn't justify spending the money on it to upgrade. The 7D is a VERY fast camera and very hard to beat in that department. I shot BIF (birds, raptors exactly, in flight) with the 5D3 and got 10 times more blurry bird shots than I did with my 7D! (Yes I KNOW how to set up my camera for birds in flight, I am NOT new to this! Please don't waste your time telling me how I didn't know what I was doing... I always select the center point on AF and use AI Servo...) I was also using my own EF 70-300L on the 5D3. That lens is lighting fast on AF, so I know the fault wasn't with the lens.

Not trying to start a fight here but.... you definitely didn't have the 5DIII AF set up correctly for the type of shooting you were doing (or something else was going on).  I have shot extensively with Rebels, 7D, 1DIV, 5DII and 5DIII for BIF... hands down the 5DIII is the best out of all of these regarding AF speed and accuracy.  The 7D does have a very good AF system but once you get the setup right on the 5DIII it is nothing short of amazing.

Regarding the OP.  Glad you sorted out your priorities.  It sounds like you are looking for some justification for your decision from the forum and there are definitely a lot of people who think along similar lines.  The 5DIII is a fully customizable workhorse and for many shooters it is certainly overkill.  The cameras you are using are great and will not hold you back from making great images.  Happy shooting.

Canon1, would you please share your setup for the 5DIII? I have been shooting with the 6D and I am not happy with it's AF, particularly it's slow focus lock time using a 70-300Lens. My 60D is much better.

So I intend to sell the 6D and buy a III. I shot a lot of birds and think I will be much happier.

Sure.  This is what works for me:

Tracking sensitivity set to "-2": I use this setting most of the time.  Once I acquire focus on a BIF this setting helps to keep it locked on despite whether the focus point moves off the bird for a moment or another bird passes between the desired subject (or a tree passes between as the bird flies by, etc...)  This can slow down the initial acquisition s tiny bit but is un-noticable on ast primes.  If using a slower AF lens like 100-400 then you can bump this setting to "-1"

Accel/decel tracking set to "+2": Many birds are erratic in flight, this helps keep lock on.  (not as big a deal with slow subjects like geese but this really helps with fishing terns, etc...

Af Point autoswitching: I dont care about this setting.  I don't use 61 pt AF Auto selection...

I also very frequently use 4 point AF Expansion.  When shooting BIF that don't fill much of the frame it can be difficult to get the center point over the BIF to acquire intitial lock.  Using 4 Point expansion really helps especially when shooting handheld and not from a gimball head. 

Should go without saying that camera is also in AI Servo and high speed burst and all lenses calibrated with focal pro....

Hope this info helps.

Hi Canon1,
Looks like you and I have same setting here ;)

AI servo, case# 2, 4-8points expansion.

Keeper rate is high, as you can see here: http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/t302HPVC/1/6306064

Out of 61 AF points, I only activate 41 cross type AF points and 5 dual cross type AF points on both of my 5D III.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 07:14:06 PM »

I actually made the same moves as you John, and for the same reasons. However, after using my 6D for only a few months I soon realized that I sorely missed the more advanced AF system of the 5DIII and have since sold the 6D and bought a 5DIII...again. Although the 6D is truly a superb FF DSLR, I found myself (as an amateur) unable to get a sufficient keeper rate using fast glass and the outer AF points, therefore I would end up using only the center AF point and cropping in because focus-and-recompose at < f/1.4 is not especially effective. Although I do miss the aforementioned features of the 6D, including the -3EV center point, built-in Wi-Fi and that all of the buttons are located on the right side for easy, one-handed access, the 5DIII is in fact a better camera and is therefore priced accordingly.

Overall, I did lose a couple hundred bucks by selling the 5DIII to pick up a 6D, and then selling the 6D to pick up a 5DIII, so if I can give any suggestions from my experience it would be to first and foremost go with the one you can afford and if that is either of them, then go with the 5DIII. The only reason I can see someone downgrading from a 5DIII to a 6D is for cost reasons (as is the case with the OP and me), whereas many 6D users perceive the 5DIII as the next step in the upgrade path due to the more professional features (AF system, dual cards, robust body, etc.), hence the cost difference. Either way, both are excellent bodies and offer some noteworthy features over one another, but if both cameras were priced the same I'd be willing to bet that nearly all of those saying that the 6D is a better camera would end up purchasing the 5DIII or eventually exchanging for it because overall, it is a better camera (although from a $/performance standpoint the 6D clearly wins). Just thought I'd share my experiences ;D

What's the light condition looks like at -3EV? Who photograph at -3EV?

6D might have the advantage with -3EV(on paper speaking), however, will it focus accurate under that light condition or even under -2EV?

To me, having 41 cross-type AF points and 5 dual diagonal AF points are MUST better than 1 AF point camera.

OP will miss his 5D III when he needs to shoot something like this: http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/t302HPVC/1/6306064

Interestingly, one of my primary uses for that is when using a heavy ND filter (10 stop).  Traditional focusing is almost impossible (viewfinder is dark and even live view only shows so much).  When I used a 5DII I often would have to mount the ND filter after focusing, running the risk of slightly affecting focus.  The 6D can focus just fine with my ND filter attached.

My 5D III focus just fine with 10stop ND @ f9 TWI by Dustin Abbott ;)

My 2cents: There is nothing that 6D can do that 5D III can't - except wifi + GPS feature. Same thing to 1D x, there is nothing 5D III can do that 1D X can't - except better.

I do look forward to be an owner of 1D someday ::) and I'm sure we all look forward to that day - to shoot with better and faster camera





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Carry 1 or 2 extra batteries not going kill you in term of weight neuro.

Not worried about the weight - worried about how many hours I wouldn't be able to use the complex $2300 camera because it was tied up doing the job of a simple, cheap battery charger.
With all respects neuro, you should test drive a7 before we are getting into long discussion here.
And, looking at your gear list, I suspect you would find the funds to buy a charger and an extra battery ;)

Yes indeed ;D

My recent purchase 300mm drained my photography account really good.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 04:04:40 PM »

I actually made the same moves as you John, and for the same reasons. However, after using my 6D for only a few months I soon realized that I sorely missed the more advanced AF system of the 5DIII and have since sold the 6D and bought a 5DIII...again. Although the 6D is truly a superb FF DSLR, I found myself (as an amateur) unable to get a sufficient keeper rate using fast glass and the outer AF points, therefore I would end up using only the center AF point and cropping in because focus-and-recompose at < f/1.4 is not especially effective. Although I do miss the aforementioned features of the 6D, including the -3EV center point, built-in Wi-Fi and that all of the buttons are located on the right side for easy, one-handed access, the 5DIII is in fact a better camera and is therefore priced accordingly.

Overall, I did lose a couple hundred bucks by selling the 5DIII to pick up a 6D, and then selling the 6D to pick up a 5DIII, so if I can give any suggestions from my experience it would be to first and foremost go with the one you can afford and if that is either of them, then go with the 5DIII. The only reason I can see someone downgrading from a 5DIII to a 6D is for cost reasons (as is the case with the OP and me), whereas many 6D users perceive the 5DIII as the next step in the upgrade path due to the more professional features (AF system, dual cards, robust body, etc.), hence the cost difference. Either way, both are excellent bodies and offer some noteworthy features over one another, but if both cameras were priced the same I'd be willing to bet that nearly all of those saying that the 6D is a better camera would end up purchasing the 5DIII or eventually exchanging for it because overall, it is a better camera (although from a $/performance standpoint the 6D clearly wins). Just thought I'd share my experiences ;D

What's the light condition looks like at -3EV? Who photograph at -3EV?

6D might have the advantage with -3EV(on paper speaking), however, will it focus accurate under that light condition or even under -2EV?

To me, having 41 cross-type AF points and 5 dual diagonal AF points are MUST better than 1 AF point camera.

OP will miss his 5D III when he needs to shoot something like this: http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/t302HPVC/1/6306064

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Carry 1 or 2 extra batteries not going kill you in term of weight neuro.

Not worried about the weight - worried about how many hours I wouldn't be able to use the complex $2300 camera because it was tied up doing the job of a simple, cheap battery charger.
With all respects neuro, you should test drive a7 before we are getting into long discussion here.

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But you´re not the average user, are you ;)

True…but then, I'd say very few 'average users' buy $2300 cameras.
Carry 1 or 2 extra batteries not going kill you in term of weight neuro. If average user can spend $2300 on a body $79 shouldn't be an issue.  I do agree with you Sony should include standard wall charger.

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Lenses / Re: Make it stop! (Photo pun not intended)
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:26:40 AM »
I guess I can't be of any help to you right now. I'm ordering a 300 2.8 II today ...

The only way to cure the "GAS" is go bigger and faster or STOP visit CR site ;D

I'm getting a battery grip for one of my 5D III, since I can't afford 1D X.

Congrats JR


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Hilarious, and unfortunately, too the point.

I think it may be a long wait for a similar piece of gear from Canon, Mirrorless does seem to be something Canon want to be in because everyone else is, but they concentrate on the FF DSLR market and possibly intend to remain that way for some time.

The news on new M disappointed me and I went and purchased the a7r, I like what I see so far, some things I'm not so happy with (The EVF takes some getting used to when you've never used one before), but I feel that way about my 1Dx & 5DMK III as well, but I do think Sony have a reasonable winner in the a7r, it's such a pity they decided to bring it to market with such abysmal support, in Singapore when I picked up the a7r they had just the Zoom Kit lens from Sony, or the Zeiss 35, which is a lovely Lens. I think if you stick to the Zeiss Lenses that will become available for the a7r over the next 12 months or so the Sony becomes a viable system, won't replace the 1Dx in any way, but might replace the 5DMK III.

As of right now, there is no other camera can replace 1D X eml58  ;D

As an owner of 5D III, I do agree with you A7 series is good candicate to replace 5D III in slower shooting. Wedding shooter might be able to get away with just two A7 plus some of these lenses: Zeiss 35mm, 55mm, 85mm, and 135mm. The weight reduction will be HUGE.

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Thanks for the pics. I haven't had a chance to look at one yet, but by those pictures it looks as though I will need to get a battery grip, or it will be too small in my hands, like my partners 550D.
I'm not really interested in compactness and really like the feel of a DSLR in my hands. I've had a look at the 5D3 and it feels superb, but it doesn't have a 36 megapixel 14 stop DR sensor!

WARNING: if you don't like compact body size, STAY AWAY from Sony mirrorless A7 series, RX1, RX100 II ;D

It will be very interesting when Sony/Zeiss releases some FE UWA f4 IS lenses for A7 series. I really think Sony hits a home run on A7 series. Can't wait for what Sony/Zeiss have to offer on lenses up coming years ::)


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 04, 2013, 05:29:18 PM »
I hope is a right decision JohnDizzo ;)

As much as I enjoy X100s, I'm still looking at A7 + Zeiss FE 35mm and/or 55mm as my general camera due to FF.

Will wait out little for Rumor FF X series in 2014 ::)

Me too. For now, it seems like the right call. It gives me as much as I need out of any available canon body at the moment. I can deal with the AF and some of the other quirks. With this swap + selling a few lenses recently, my fund is already nearing 3k. Will be ready when the time comes.

I would love to just have one of the Sony bodies right now. But it doesn't make sense for what I need. When I want small, I still think the Fuji is king. The Sony may give me more res, but that's where the advantage stops. More res and dr for me doesn't equate to getting better shots. The Fuji is smaller, ovf/evf, has leaf shutter, and built in nd. Those four things alone make it better for my needs already. The Sony may be smaller than a dslr. But with a fast lens on it (which I would want), it is no longer all that small. If I go big, I'm going with a dslr for faster AF, and compatibility with all my existing lighting equipment.

These days, my philosophy is either go small (truly), or go big and don't worry about size at all. That being said though, if for some miraculous reason I can get either one of the Sony's at a large discount, I would still consider it. Lol

I went to local Sony store today, test out the A7. For indoor shooting, I think the combo A7 + 28-70(kit lens) will out perform Fuji X100s in term of AF speed. I was testing at f5.6 from close-up to far way out. Will be interesting year for me ;)

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Sold my Nikon D7100 & 18-300 and just ordered the Sony a7 with the kit lens (28-70mm) ... will try to get the metabones EOS adapter ... I stopped buying sony products a very long time ago due abandoned product lines ... hope they keep to their word this time.

I decided to go down to local Sony store to test out A7. They only have the kit lens 28-70 display with A7. My 1st impression is AWESOME.

1. AF speed is FAST - I mean from close-up to far away. My 2 cents, you should have no problem shooting subject running across with single shot. The A7 seems to have faster AF than my Fuji x100s - indoor. I was testing at f5.6 etc...on the kit lens. I'm sure Zeiss 35 and 55mm will be better - can't be worst right?

2. Body seems to be very solid - not as my RX1. Maybe A7r

The Electronic view finder and grip make the body thicker. Since they don't have Zeiss FE 55mm(the lens I really want to test-out) in store, the store manager let me use the Sony/Zeiss 50mm crop lens on A7, the weight feels really good. Again, this is crop lens.

The 28-70 kit lens is reallllllllllyyyyyyy light


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: How to spend $3000 now or keep saving?
« on: December 04, 2013, 09:38:41 AM »
My new camera fund has reached $3000, barely enough for a used 1D4 or a new 5D3.  Looking around, I can also get a Sony A7R with 36MP, ISO 25600 and a 24-70 f/4 FF lens.  Or do I keep going and hope to get a lower priced or refurb 1DX for another $5000. I would like a camera for low light stage events.

If compact body size is not important to you, then I would go for the BEST DSLR on the planet - 1D X

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Very happy with this: http://www.frys.com/product/7570806?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

It's  IPS and has Anti-Glare, 3H screen , $400ish US

My 2cents: 17-19" is little small for PP. Compared to 17-19", working with 27" to 30" is kinda like jumping from 60D to 6D ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 03, 2013, 08:05:51 PM »
I hope is a right decision JohnDizzo ;)

As much as I enjoy X100s, I'm still looking at A7 + Zeiss FE 35mm and/or 55mm as my general camera due to FF.


Have you looked into Sony A7 options for speedlite, wireless trigger (both manual and TTL), and studio strobe/strobist accessories?  The options seem awfully restricted, and the latest Sony top-of-line speedlite Sony HVL F60M is reported often to have serious overheat issues.

Looking at my large collection of Canon-compatible speedlites/triggers/accessories and countless other options out there, this is the main thing that gives me pause when thinking about going the Sony A7/r route myself  :(

If you look at my signature, I doubt you will see any flashes. I like primes, therefore, A7 fits me better. I'm waiting for Zeiss 55mm to be avaiable at local Sony store, so I can hand-on it. If the combo works out as I planned, half of Canon will be gone.

I'm slowly switching over FF mirrorless due to body size. Will keep the monster 300mm  + 70-200 + 135L around with 5D III ;)
 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 03, 2013, 06:44:51 PM »
I hope is a right decision JohnDizzo ;)

As much as I enjoy X100s, I'm still looking at A7 + Zeiss FE 35mm and/or 55mm as my general camera due to FF.

Will wait out little for Rumor FF X series in 2014 ::)


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