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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 09, 2014, 01:05:54 AM »
...wow...  :o

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:49:10 AM »
I think the point is that merging frames to HDR is merging frames to HDR.

Actually, I think the point was that those very nice shots were all taken with a 17mm tilt shift lens, something which Canon offers and Nikon has no PC-E equivalent.  While it's certainly possible to post-process an image to correct for keystoning, or to attempt to mimic the effects of tilt, there are deleterious effects on image quality, particularly with ultrawide shots, and that's what would lead to problems evident upon close scrutiny.

Oh, yeah, that might be it, too.  I missed that it was the TS lens. Damn fine lens, that.

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Thanks for the poll!

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:21:21 AM »
Oh dear god. He deleted his account again. Now that's just downright rude...to drop in, pick a fight, rial the whole place up, then jet off and leave no trace of his misbehavior.  ::)

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:20:13 AM »
What can a 5D Mk3 do that a D800/810 can’t do better?

For me, personally, this.

All taken with a 17 TS-E, a lens I use very heavily, and all with some degree of tilt and or shift applied. Oh and many of my images contain vastly more DR than any current sensor, even the mighty Exmor, can record in a single shot. For much of my paid work another 2-3 stops of DR would make not one iota of difference, I'd still have to bracket the heck out of the scene.

You cannot take any of these images, and have them stand up to as close scrutiny or large prints with a Nikon.

I've not used that lens, so can't comment on that.

Why can't you have Nikon prints stand up to close scrutiny? What are you basing that on?

Given the Nikon has almost twice the megapixels, and 2-3 stops more DR in a single frame, this is the work that a Nikon would excel at.

What is the 5D Mk3doing here that a Nikon can't do exactly?

If you bracket for HDR, you'd actually have to bracket less with a Nikon for shots like these.

How many brackets are you taking, and how far apart?

Say you're combining 3 shots, 1 stop apart. That you could do in one shot on an Exmor.

If you're combining 6 exposures on a Canon, then on an Exmor you'd only need 2 to do the same job.

I'm happy to be told what I'm missing here.

I think the point is that merging frames to HDR is merging frames to HDR. Some of the best HDR shots I've seen were made with up to 15 frames spaced 2 stops apart. They don't really look like HDR...but they have fine nuances of excellent, crisp detail in areas that you simply can't get with 14 stops, or even 16 stops (like the interior of an old WWII plane full of ultra deep shadows, and a bright sunlit sky with puffy clouds outside.)

Merging to HDR is what it is...it doesn't really matter if you use 2, 3, or 15 frames. You blend the data together the same way, with the same tools, and it's all largely effortless these days. Throw in the relatively recently discovered ability to load up 32-bit float TIFF images into ACR and do HDR processing with all the power ACR has to offer, and HDR editing (without getting images packed with processing artifacts) is no more difficult than lifting shadows in a single-frame D810 image.

So, the thing you might be missing...is that HDR isn't difficult these days. If you need more DR, take an extra frame or two (or 14). That works in every camera, regardless of it's sensor capabilities. ACR and Photoshop then make short work of pulling and pushing the exposure into something that fits in the 8 stops average that fits into most people's computer screens.

As I've said before, I want more DR. Mostly because I don't want to be wasting 2 stops or more of what I know Canon sensors are capable of (the majority of their problem isn't the sensor...it's what occurs downstream of the sensor, in higher frequency, noisy components in their DIGIC chips.) But, it isn't like I CAN'T have more DR if I really need it, even though I own Canon cameras. Give a 3-frame HDR merge to 32-bit float TIFF in ACR a try some time...you can get up to 20 stops of DR...it's amazing.

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:01:08 AM »
What can a 5D Mk3 do that a D800/810 can’t do better?

For me, personally, this.

All taken with a 17 TS-E, a lens I use very heavily, and all with some degree of tilt and or shift applied. Oh and many of my images contain vastly more DR than any current sensor, even the mighty Exmor, can record in a single shot. For much of my paid work another 2-3 stops of DR would make not one iota of difference, I'd still have to bracket the heck out of the scene.

You cannot take any of these images, and have them stand up to as close scrutiny or large prints with a Nikon.

I like the second photo. (I just wish it wasn't a microscopic little thumbnail...so sad, that...)

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:00:27 AM »
Which is fine, you have a right to do that, but do you not see the irony?

Ohhh, this thread is CHOCK FULL of irony.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 08, 2014, 11:44:44 PM »
Go, defend yourself. You certainly do have a right to. Just don't drag the entirety of the rest of the forums with you when you do it.

I'm defending myself in the venue where I was attacked.

Where else do you suggest I do it?

Scroll up, look for the gray bar, click "My Messages."

I recommended it once before, just a few posts up. It's just as effective. I've used it on several occasions. You two will hate each other quietly on the forums...and when you just can't hold it in anymore...that little "My Messages" link is right there...on every page...just waiting to be clicked...

And, just because you really seem to need it fully spelled out...no one else cares about your honor. You care about it. Defending yourself here is just going to continue annoying the locals...and trust me, they can get really annoyed. Do the courteous thing, and take your fight directly to the guy you want to beat into a mushy pulp because he disagrees with you in a manner you find disagreeable. Privately.  8)

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 08, 2014, 11:33:37 PM »
And, everyone else here is entitled to enjoy reading threads without you starting pissing contests with Neuro every chance you get because you don't like what he has to say or how he says it (hell, I don't like how he says things half the time...but I haven't gone around acting like a macho nutcase every time he acts like a dick!  ::)) You want to defend yourself? That doesn't need to be public. You have issue with Neuro? That doesn't need to be public, either. Sure, you have a right to defend yourself...go do it in private, with the guy you have issue with. Take your fight outside, and duke it out in the ditch where no body else has to have you two splashing drinks over everyone and breaking tables.

I'm not trying to bully you...I'm just trying to make it very clear how you come off...and I'm simply being honest here..really, truly, flat out honest: It's a distasteful display of pathetic childishness...from a grown man. No...from grown MEN. It's a testosterone-fueled pissing contest. It's two bullies fighting in the school yard. It's just low, man.

Go, defend yourself. You certainly do have a right to. Just don't drag the entirety of the rest of the forums with you when you do it. Just as much as you have your right, we also have the right not to have to deal with you and Neuro's personal issues. I'm all for a good technical debate...that is NOT what this is. 

That's all I'm saying.

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 08, 2014, 10:52:42 PM »
When he started throwing insults...you should have WALKED AWAY. I'm really sick of hearing you take pot shots at Neuro, just as much as I'm sick of hearing him take pot shots at you. My prior post was about the BOTH of you. That INCLUDES YOU. Your just as stubborn!! Walk away man...your no better...and it's just pathetic!  ???

I do not intend to be bullied out of offering my view on subjects I have more experience with than Neuro.

I will not walk away like I did last time and watch him bad mouth me in my absence.

The guy is what's wrong with forums and has met his match.

Know it all, aggressive and mocking of those he perceives to be better than, which is everyone, and someone who refuses to answer direct questions to back up the claims he makes.

I've watched him as a casual viewer do this for a long time, and it ends here.

You can choose to walk away from people like that, but that only allows them to carry on being like that.

I choose not to. He may have beaten down others into submission, he will not do that to me.

And I'm happy to play nice with Neuro the first time he chooses to. He has a lot of insights to offer when he's not being sarcastic, and peddling his never changing stance on the religion he calls Canon.

So far he has chosen endless sarcasm, his go to tool of choice when he has no actual answer to something.

Wow, man, you just don't get it. Let me put it in different terms:

GET A FRACKIN ROOM!!!

Is that clearer? You aren't offering your opinion...your being a child. And you mention Neuro in every single post, so it's very clear YOU have a PERSONAL issue with HIM. You...personal...him.  That, and you have a MASSIVE superiority complex, which is also pathetic. No one cares about your personal escapade against "The evil that is Neuro." We don't need that kind of crap here. Your ruining threads for your own personal vendetta...you, some random guy no one here on these forums knows nor cares about...you just blast onto the scene and create a multi-thread war with ONE guy. Childish.

GET   A    FREAKING    ROOM. (BTW, those are called private messages here...just scroll up....find the dark gray bar....click "My Messages").

This thread really needs to be closed.

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I posted a notice last night - Here.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1448.0

It was getting annoying in some of the image forums to wait for 5 minutes while all those large thumbnails were downloading.  For me, anyway, the screen keeps jumping around as I try to scroll down.

I have had several suggest that 6 photos was too low of a limit, so I increased it to 10, and reduced the thumbnail size to 200 X 200 pixels.

I felt that a person could see sufficient detail in the thumbnail to decide if he wanted to click it and see the full image.

It was a compromise solution.

Keep in mind that not everyone has super fast internet, and it can take a long time for those 800 X 800 thumbnails to upload and display, and the forum needs to be friendly to all users as much as possible.

So, the solution is to gimp everyone who does have fast internet so the few people who don't can look at ultra tiny pictures? I mean...that's what I pay for high speed internet for...so I can experience the web better.  8)

Could we at least get a user profile option to chose for ourselves which mode the forums use? This really kills the gallery forums...unless everyone moves to using external hosts. I'm not going to click on every single photo so it will pop up in a new window that I just have to close a moment later...I don't think I can think of anything more tedious than that. The thumbnails don't show you anything (I have both 2560x1600 screens as well as a 3200x1800 screen on my laptop...the thumbnails are ULTRA TI-NY.)

I too would happily take back attachment limits if we could get back the full size images. At the very least, limit them size to the width of the forum (770 pixels fits perfectly) and maybe 1000 pixels high or so...that way people can't upload GIANT images (which was possible before)...that should cut down on thread loading time.

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 08, 2014, 10:21:19 PM »
*SIGH*

I have apparently lost all interest in CR forum debates...  :o

What a shame...  :(

Anyway, I've got a question for you Jrista, what filters are you gonna get for the SBIG?  ;D

That's probably another topic, bit most likely the Astrodon Gen. 2 E-Series for LRGB, and the Astrodon Narrow Band filters. The Astrodon are ridiculously expensive, though. I'll probably start out just getting luminance data (unfiltered), as it's somewhere between $650 per filter for the narrow band, and about $600 or so for the LRGB set.

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 08, 2014, 09:59:32 PM »
You guys, I really have to say, BOTH of you are utterly pathetic. It's reciprocal childishness. This is shameful. It's distasteful. It's downright sad.

While we have certainly had our debates on these forums, some of the biggest when he-who-shall-not-be-named was around, but those still stuck to the technology. But this?!? This, right here...this is rock bottom. This is disgusting. This is so far below the level of adults that I'm ashamed to have to write this post. Worse...this is not the first time it's occurred!! ZigZag, you've brought a really disgusting element into our forums. Your first post was interesting. That was it. Since then, you've done nothing but pick fights and be childish. You aren't here for any reason other than to poke and prod at Neuro. Neuro, the only reason your here is to poke and prod at ZigZag. You've done nothing but fuel fights and act childish.

This IS a child's playground, and you two ARE the bullies. And you feed off each other while you revel in childishness.

Knock it off!  >:(  :-[

I couldn't agree more. I'm waiting for Neuro to actually talk about cameras, which he is free to do at any point.

Bullies bully everyone. I just bully the bully.

How many comments has he made now with no mention of cameras? I've lost count.

When he started throwing cheap sarcastic shots thinking I wasn't reading (e.g. "Surely you remember Dean, our award-winning professional photographer who's one-day spree of posts disappeared?  He seems to have inhaled the stench of DxO's BS quite deeply..."), and making his technology points by mocking the intelligence of others which is his routine technique, I bounced that mentality back to him, fully assuming Neuro wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of it, anymore than the people he does it to.

I did not expect it to have gone this long without him answering valid questions about his claims of why his gear is the only gear anyone should own.

The stubbornness is strong in that one.

When he started throwing insults...you should have WALKED AWAY. I'm really sick of hearing you take pot shots at Neuro, just as much as I'm sick of hearing him take pot shots at you. My prior post was about the BOTH of you. That INCLUDES YOU. Your just as stubborn!! Walk away man...your no better...and it's just pathetic!  ???

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Just a little rant. I was going through some of the gallery forums and...I'm appalled. More than half the thumbnails are ULTRA TINY!!! Worse, you have to click each one, which opens up in a new window, to see it full size. Which you have to close, to click another one. Incredibly tedious. What's with that?!

  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Those are photography forums, and it was really quite convenient to just be able to see all the images uploaded at the full width of the forum. I never had to click anything to see what people were uploading.

I officially request the old image attachments viewing mode be brought back, as there is no way I'm going to click fifty times to view the images attached every time I go through the gallery forums. That's just...asking way too much.  :o

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Animal Kingdom / Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« on: August 08, 2014, 08:15:39 PM »
Some BIF from me.
Click on image for larger and sharper image !!











Hope you like them.

Edward van Altena
www.wildlife-photos.net
The Netherlands

FANTASTIC! That is some superb stuff! I wish I could capture birds in flight like that...I've tried to photograph swallows, but never had any luck. They are wicked fast!

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