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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T3i/600D Announced
« on: February 10, 2011, 12:10:48 PM »

I just think that Canon and the rest should follow a computer software sort of model - where minor revisions, even the addition of some features are considered minor, are free while you are expected to pay for major revisions.

There can be a middle ground,  if Cannon can follow the software company's business model. Minor up grade of firmware is free (canon has been doing it for along time). Major firmware upgrade ( e.g. addition of functionality)will be sold to customer.  Just like the Phtoshop, If you have CS2 and want CS3..You need to pay for it.  That will save the consumer a lot of money.

EOS Bodies / Re: T3 Sensor - question...
« on: February 09, 2011, 07:43:13 PM »
So the T3 (Canon's lowest end DSLR) gets a brand new sensor (the MP count is different than the 450D as is the ISO performance), so I started doing some math..

Long story and boring math aside, I'm left with the distinct impression this is a cut down 5D-Mk III sensor.  I'm curious to see if anyone else has given this any thought.  I just don't see *any* reason for Canon to build a new APS-C sensel w/ gapless microlenses for just one camera (and their cheapest at that).


It may be from the Rebel XSi. It is impossible to "cut" a FF sensor to fit an APS_C camera without ALL new tooling (All new Wafer fab process mask set). Then it becomes a new sensor by default.

It will be nice for Canon to throw in the Gapless micro lens to replace the gapped micro lens on XSi.  This will make the 600D to be the best Hiogh ISO Low noise DSLR for the Canon line up, assuming everything else are equal.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless [CR1]
« on: February 09, 2011, 07:29:20 PM »
...everyone except Leica seems to be pointing their brands at the casual user.

and also Fujifilm.

Fuji X-100 is not in the same league as Leica M9. X-100 is with a fixed lens and APS-H snsor. M9 is FF with interchangeable lens.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T3i/600D Announced
« on: February 08, 2011, 09:16:45 PM »
Yeah, I agree, but the weird part is the 600D is suppose to be under 60D or 7D, so making it better than those is weird without upping the other's as well..
The 600D may have a very slight edge on image quality (???) However, 7D has most of the feature and a metal body (for better or  worst is a personal choice), 60D lack a few features from 7D and with plastic body. 600D is plastic body and with a lot convienence and feature missing from 60D. picture quality is not the only thing that determines which is a better camera.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T3/1100D Announced
« on: February 08, 2011, 03:28:29 PM »
Based on the ISO range supported this sounds like a new sensor, with gapless ML, etc.  In short, this camera may deliver stunning IQ.. ironic that I might want to buy the cheapest SLR Canon makes, after years of steadily moving up the chain.

If it can have a precision focus screen added to it, I may have no choice.. certain things just don't need a million FPS.  It would be great to have a tiny, high DR monster street cam.
I agree with you. However, even with precision focusing screen, your focusing accuracy is hampered by the EF or EF-S lenses built-in coarse manul adjustment. They have less than 1/3 turn for the whole focusing range. If you look at the old manual focusing lenses. most of them have about 3/4 turn for the focusing range. That is a factor of 3 for the accuracy difference.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T3/1100D Announced
« on: February 08, 2011, 03:14:43 PM »
Either the T3i or the T3 press release make any claim on the gapless micro lens on the CMOS sensor. That is interesting. Because we all known that all 18Mp sensor from Canon are gapless. Is Canon avoiding the subject in order not to make the 60D or 7D looks not worth the money???

Those knowledgeable photographers who post here are not typical buyers of the Digital Rebel.  This camera is aimed at users who do not know or care about the technical internal construction.  Most buyers would not have a clue if they listed it.  It has become a standard Canon design feature.

Here is what they do say.

"This first-class sensor features many of the same new technologies as used by professional Canon cameras to maximize each pixel's light-gathering efficiency"
If the T3 sensor is really "gapless" It may be the best camera from Canon for High ISO with Low noise, better than the 60D.

EOS Bodies / Re: 60D & 7D Rebates coming February 20
« on: February 08, 2011, 03:11:14 PM »
Digitalrev is based out of Hong Kong, there's a good chance you'll have to pay customs taxes when it gets delivered. Also rebates are usually only through authorized US retailers.

You will also end up with a "International warranty" (U.S. excluded). Anything goes wrong within the warranty,  Canon U.S.A. will not touch it.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T3/1100D Announced
« on: February 08, 2011, 03:57:07 AM »
Either the T3i or the T3 press release make any claim on the gapless micro lens on the CMOS sensor. That is interesting. Because we all known that all 18Mp sensor from Canon are gapless. Is Canon avoiding the subject in order not to make the 60D or 7D looks not worth the money???

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III / 6D from India
« on: February 06, 2011, 04:35:07 PM »
That's why I said I believe the most one should edit is CameraRAW. No editing is impossible - but all that Photoshop "stuff". -> if I want a fake image I'll ask for a computer simulation.

And Photoshop - I don't have the patience to spend ages on an image - in CameraRAW I'm normally done with it in less than 1 minute. Yes, I do end up shooting the odd HDR - and that's a deviation from my "normal course" but not that many, and then I try to make them look as normal as possible.
Oh, and I don't have the time to spend on figuring out all the depths of Photoshop.

I still call an image that has taken a lot of editing, especially in Photoshop a fake image.

So by your standards, the fact that I shoot film makes me a better artist/photographer than you?  Do you even realize that how you are defining art, you are essentially contradicting yourself?  Arguing whose art form is more "real" in a digital vs digital discussion, lol.

It's pretty ignorant to see any form of art better or worse than the next form.  Painting, drawing, sculpting, photography are all just different forms of art with different ways of expressing ourselves.  Some might be more difficult, some might need more patience, and a different mind-set, but none of that makes one really better than the other.  That all just depends on if the artist has a true vision of what he is after

Digital vs film is like comparing painting vs watercoloring.  They both require different techniques to get to the same result: YOUR VISION.  Personally, I do not enjoy overly digitally enhance shots and half the time I think the work looks mediocre at best (crappy art), but it is still art! 

Someday, you will figure this out and appreciate art as a whole

You do have a point - however, in photography the art should be in the action of taking an image.
-> Right now you can take a rubbish image, if you post process it enough it'll look like "something" - but it's no longer photography.
Film had a natural limit to what most people could do. Yes, people have been removed from images (Soviet times) but normally it wouldn't be done.
Now you shoot a rubbish picture, edit a lot in Photoshop and voila, you have a result.

It is no longer the quality of your photography work that counts, it's the quality of your photoshop work.

If you want to show of your photoshop work, then do it separately and don't claim it's photography.
With respect to film - the issue I'd have with film is cost - but overall I'd say that provided film is able to capture a scene (I don't think you can get usable ISO 6400 film) then that's real photography.
And obviously, not everybody can afford the cost of developing a lot of film - so CameraRAW in a way replaces it, additionally, it does give you some control, but does not allow you to modify an image so that it is no longer photography. In CameraRAW you can only do "so much" - the same is true for film.
With Photoshop you can do anything - and then it's no longer photography.
Photoshop is just another tool . If Ansel Adams can spend hours or  days to "create" a picture that he likes and become a great art piece, why people cannot do the same thing  with the photoshop? Whether it is an art or not, it is in the hand of the user, not the tool.  Same situation as the example about the same song sung by different singers. It is the singer, not the song.  Tools changes with time and we need to adopt the situation.  When is the last time that you use ALL hand tools on a wood project ? Using power tool does not make you a lesser craftman.  Sometimes the power tool makes you a better  craftman, due to more precision cuting, drilling etc. Photoshop is the same, if it is used properly, it can do wonder.
If you want to be a purist, that is another  situation.  For color, you should only shoot slides and develope them  yourself. Then you can clain that is close to be 100% of your own creation, except the slide film. No cropping, no burning, no dodging, no adjustment in contrast and explosure. For black and white, you should go back to the silver nitride glass plate. You can even making the negative plate  yourself. That is creation and art.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless [CR1]
« on: February 06, 2011, 04:06:28 PM »
As a pro, a mirrorless camera with an excellent eye level VF that was truly silent would be golden for wedding and theater work.
That is the exact reason why Leica M9 and the  Fujifilm X100 are in my mind.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless [CR1]
« on: February 06, 2011, 02:52:16 PM »
I'd love it if canon built a compact M-style camera that took EF-lenses. Don't care about the price either. I need it. Problem of course is the rather hefty mount, dwarfing every other mount on the planet, more or less.
Just get the M9 with one lens, It will be about $9500.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless [CR1]
« on: February 06, 2011, 12:47:35 PM »
Why do you think that a Mirrorless needs to compete with a DSLR ??? There are an awful lot of people who are not interested with carrying a large, heavy DSLR when going on a family outing. But want something better than a P&S.
No need to lure away from a DSLR ... many people will own both. And some P&S owners with buy them who aren't interested in Big & Heavy DSLRs. Two different groups to sell to.
P&S cameras out sell DSLRs because there are many people who don't want or need a DSLR. Mirrorless cameras will sell to people moving-up from a P&S you don't want the size and weight of a DSLR and don't need image quality of a DSLR. How many of your acquaintance s print their snapshots at 20x30 ???
For many people that is enough. Mico 4/3 cameras sell well because of their size and good enough quality. BTW why don't you own a 60 MP + MFD, much better quality than a DSLR :D  :D

C.D Embrey, my post is  about the EVIL system not P & S. I have never  mentioned  that 4/3 and P &S are not good. You keep on using P & S as a counter agruement and try to confuse the discussion.  People have different  need and  different idea of camera. that is why there are so many different makers and models out there.  I do not own a 60 MP MFD due to the extremely highj price, size and weight.  Also I do not want to deal with 60 MP per picture.   What my acquaintance do with their picture is their own business.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless [CR1]
« on: February 06, 2011, 12:23:09 PM »
how it could be worst in picture quality if it is a FF  ?   the mirror is big noisy dusty shake the body ,  I really wait that next generation of cameras , the mirror has no future except for nostalgics
The mirror is what give the DSLR fast auto focusing. As far as I known there is no Mirrorless camera can beat the auto focus speed of  DSLR yet.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless [CR1]
« on: February 06, 2011, 12:46:11 AM »
My previous post is mainly talking about people that are thinking about switch from DSLR to EVIL. If they do not mind mising the "Kodak momment" and the picture quality that is inferior to the DSLR that they have already own, then any P &S will do. I got nothing aginst EVIL or P&S. In fact there is always a Canon SD 870 as an emergency back up in my camera bag.
Just remember that camera is a highly subjective choice. There is no right or wrong choice. Some aims at price, some aims at picture quality, some at convience and size , some aims at ergonics and features. etc. For me  I cannot justify myself paying the price of a DSLR for a EVIL with a 4/3 sensor and at  least twice the shutter  delay of a DSLR.  The reason why I switch from P &S to DSLR is that I have missed so many picture of moving objects, especially dogs running, childrens playing etc. So will I be giving up my DSLR and goes back to the EVIL???

EOS Bodies / Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« on: February 05, 2011, 08:43:36 PM »
I have nothing against the size or weight of the Rebel series. My complain is the size of the grip of the Rebel series. If Canon makes the grip sticks out another 1/4 "more , and make the grip another 1/8" thicker, it will be a lot more comfortable in the hand.  Just look at the entry level of Nikons'. They are they about same size and weight of the rebel and they are  a lot more comfortable to be held. It all in the grip.

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