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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Test Camera [CR1]
« on: March 29, 2013, 05:17:10 AM »
And at those prices i'd probably recommend the D7100 unless Canon has some sensor magic up their sleeves.

... to *new* users, but those will probably go for a sub-€1000 camera (xxxd/xxd) while the existing users will "upgrade" ...

I don't see any way this camera could cost more than $1600 given the D7100's specs.

.. but given the market saturaration with lenses/flashes/other single-brand equipment Canon knows existing users seldom switch brands - you loose money selling gear and you have to get used to a new usability.

So how much would you pay to be able to stick to your old system? €500? €1000? That's what Canon can add on top of the camera price as seen on the 5d3 - and then there's the early adopter's fee of €200-€500. A "reasonable" price will only be achieved after about 2 years after rtm.
with the price of the updated Canon glass and the premium prices of new bodies compared to their competition, I wouldn't pay anything "stick to my old system."
In fact, I was pretty perturbed at getting screwed on both sides of the equation, both lenses and bodies. So perturbed that I switched to a D700, which is just insanely awesome at $1500 bucks, as well as the 24-70G, which is also unbelievably nice, and which i bought for 700 bucks less than the new Canon version.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Test Camera [CR1]
« on: March 28, 2013, 11:58:25 PM »
Interresting, in Japenese forums he specs are handeld a little bit better. Price over the 5D3

Price over 5D3, Whaaaaaahaaaahahahahahaa.  ;D
for the price to be around the 5DIII, i'd expect sensor performance similar to that of the 1DX, 5DIIIish AF, similar or better weather sealing to the 7D, maybe one card slot to differentiate/cripple it a bit, and 8FPS.
With the specs listed in this rumor i'd say the price all depends on the sensor. If it has greatly improved sensor performance then Canon might ask $1999(and that would be too much) or if it has the current APS-C sensor tech i'd say they'd price it at $1500(and that would be too much.)
right now, Nikon has the D5200 and D7100 which outside of the FPS are both comparable to this camera and both are priced around $1000ish.
These specs are closer to the Nikon 7100, a $1200 camera body. I would suggest that these specs are probably for the 70D, not the 7DMK2. They will never be able to charge a premium for a 7DMK2 with these specs. Nikon has upped the expectations of what APS bodies should be and Canon will have to respond. If Canon stays with these specs Nikon will release a better APS-C camera and Canon will once more be well behind the curve.
This is what I was thinking. If this camera is released with these specs and the current sensor performance I don't see any way this camera could cost more than $1600 given the D7100's specs. And at those prices i'd probably recommend the D7100 unless Canon has some sensor magic up their sleeves.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Test Camera [CR1]
« on: March 28, 2013, 10:48:31 AM »
This does sound as the 70D to me... then I would be happy.

I agree, these would be pretty disappointing specifications for a 7D MkII, even if the new sensor was superb.  It would make more sense if this was a 70D prototype, allowing the 7D MkII to raise the bar. 

This said, it is possible that Canon and Nikon are "collaborating" to deny users a high performance APS-C body, thus forcing them to switch to full frame... Rumours and conspiricy theories go hand in hand!  ;)
Outside of the 10fps, i totally agree. this camera sounds good, but not great. if people waited 4 years for this, i don't think they'd be happy, but not  too thrilled. I think these specs make a great 70D, except toss in about 5-6fps instead.
If this is the 7D, it would have to be $1400 bucks to compete with the D7100, which I think has great specs, scores good reviews, and is priced aggressively.
I'd say Canon would be better tossing in a 5DIIIish AF, 2 card slots, and 10fps at a price of $1999. That would be a sexy APS-C camera that would excite all camera fans, not just die hard Canon fanboys.

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Is this thread just trolling for an argument.... of course people will be disappointed if they don't start changing sensors after so many releases with the same one.
There's no chance i'm buying the 70D, so I really don't care all that much, but just for the sake of progress in the camera industry, i'd be very disappointed if they don't have something better.

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I think most of the DSLR innovation is now done. So we get very simular new models with very simular specs.
I don't think Canon will ever put a pro AF system in any camera which isn't in it's pro portfolio. So lets get real here, if you want a 5DIII or 1Dx Spec then that's not going to ever happen in a XXXD camera.
Do you work for Canon? Why are people so quick to say that today's cameras don't need to get any better, or we shouldn't expect more, or they cant cost less?
Maybe it won't be in a Canon XXXD body, but it may be in a Sony Mirrorless or Fuji camera real soon(maybe even a Nikon, check the AF on the D5200.)
Maybe you are happy with paying 3000 dollars for a huge DSLR, but many people aren't. Canon wants us to think like you, but other companies who aren't on top are hoping other people still want more, which I do.
If Canon continues to think that no one wants better specs at a lower price and everyone is happy with the size, price and features of the current offerings, then there will be a long, long fall from the top.
Sure, the best of the best cameras will always be expensive, but I see no reason why a camera with 5DIII specs cant cost 1000 bucks in 5-10 years.

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I think the main reason the creative filters were added to the new rebels is that they literally had zero upgrades to the bodies at all worth mentioning in the press release.Thus, this was a cheap and easy way to spruce up the spec/features list, reviews and conversations with something new, instead of literally adding nothing. lol.
Look at this thread, it has degenerated from an utter trashing of the new releases to a conversation about why these new "features" weren't included on the 5DIII.
These new features are for the M 4/3rd, Instagram, hipster crowd, and just as a filler to rearrange the list of specs.

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Also, whatever you might say about the "majority of rebel users" -- I wonder how many 5-series and 1-series users start out as Rebel users ? (I did) There is a delicate balance here -- they do want to be able to encourage these people to ultimately upgrade to a 5 or 1 series body but they don't want to make the entry level body so awful that these users start out with a different manufacturer.

As did I.  So for us at least, and I suspect there are lots of others like us, it seems their 'cripple the low end to drive up-marketing' strategy is working rather well.  ;)

I suspect that there are many more who are not "like us" -- we have more disposable income than the typical hobbyists.
I started out in the DSLR world with a 550D and soon after bought a 24-105 new. Later I bought a 5D classic and was sold on FF for good.
I was waiting with credit card in hand to pre order the 5DIII for 2800 bucks or less, but alas, it wasn't to be. One of the main reasons for me choosing Canon at first was their more reasonable pricing than Nikon(at the time(2009)).
By the time the 24-70 II was announced and the 6D vs D600, I had had enough and was sick of the new pricing strategy(everything expensive(except the 40mm, which I don't need) and the lack of exciting products(less exciting specs than the competition, similar or lower rated reviews to the competition, No RX1 competition, and slow 2.8 primes.)
I chose to buy a used D700 and a 24-70 from Nikon. I was worried about switching brands, but at this point, i'd feel like a fool if i hadn't.
To be honest, i'm pretty much done with big DSLRs and heavy glass. I'm not a Nikon fanboy at all. My next camera will either be an RX1 or any FF mirrorless camera or SL1 sized full frame.
I truly hope Canon, Nikon, Fuji, or Sony make this in the next year before I start another year of travel. I'd be happy to switch back to Canon if they can create that sense of confidence in their pricing, and exciting new products that has been missing the past couple of years.

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Dude, what dont you get, AFMA is a pull through to get you to buy a better camera

no boy, what you don´t get is that im not someone who just silently swallows sh*t... because "it is that way".

im well aware why canon does that... no need to waste 2000 words.

but when i think something sux then i say it.
haha, thank you so much for saying this in such a clear way. This is how I often feel, it's just hard for me to state it so clearly.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the EOS T5i
« on: March 22, 2013, 12:23:41 AM »
To all the people who stand up for Canon no matter what happens and defend the similar sensors, FPS, no AFMA, lame AF and lack of new features on rebels by saying things like, "what do you expect"....
well, I expect lower prices for the same products over time, or increased features at similar prices. This is technology after all, not furniture or vegetables.
Things should always be improving or the prices should come down..... end of story.

The reason why Canon continues to offer these less than exciting products is because some people will defend them no matter what, and uneducated consumers will continue to purchase whatever is new regardless of how much better it is than the previous product.
My advice to friends and beginners to the camera world would be to buy a used 550D, 7D, or D7000. If they want new, I'd say get a Nikon D3200, D5200, D7100 or get a NEX.  I truly hope the 7DII and 70D are awesome, but they are nowhere to be found. This isn't trolling, there just isn't anything compelling to me from Canon below the 5DIII. I'm sure others may disagree.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the EOS T5i
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:32:30 AM »
i'm pretty sure there were some hardcore canon fanboys saying something about them being innovative just a day or two ago....
where are they now?

this release is an all time low, even for canon. There is literally nothing here to remark upon. They could've at least made the SL1 the new rebel and said they made it smaller.
both of these new releases are exactly the same level of blah. don't they at least want to try to compete with the new D7100?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 19, 2013, 10:34:11 PM »
My only question is why didn't they just make the EOS-B the new rebel?
The EOS-B has very similar specs to this and is a smaller size. At least if the EOS-B was the new rebel they could say that they changed something and made it smaller, lighter, but with even better performance.
This camera seems to be stuck in no mans land.... not so small, not so cheap, and with totally blah specs. At least I could consider trading my T2i for the EOS-B(which I would never do), this camera offers no good reasons to do so.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 19, 2013, 09:57:58 PM »
OK, at the time of it's introduction the D800 had already been announced. The D800 was announced Feb 7th, 2012, the 5DIII March 2nd. The 1DX was announced on Oct 18, 2011 and released in March. So, it was never actually surpassed by the 1DX, it never was as good. I'm not slamming the 5DIII AF, as it is awesome, i'm just showing that your facts aren't facts at all.

Physician, kettle, mote, etc.

I and thousands others had thousands of exposures on our 5DIIIs long before you could even officially pre-order a 1Dx. And the D800 is many wonderful things, but it only surpasses the 5DIII in megapickle count and dynamic range -- its autofocus is far shy of the 5DIII's -- as are almost all of its other features. That you should suggest it's got better autofocus than the 5DIII...and then start whipping the dead dynamic range horse and claiming the D800 has better high ISO performance....

...yeah. Troll.

Even if you're not intentionally trolling, which I rather doubt by now, you're still trolling.

Cheers,

b&
Neuro, are you ready to stop standing on the sidelines while people argue against my FACTS with their OPINIONS. I have been killed on this board for using my opinion to make arguments many times. I presented factual numbers from DXOMARK. I explained that I don't think they are the best numbers, but they are at least numbers by a lab. What have you used for your argument, 100% opinion.
The D800 was measured as having better high ISO performance than the 5DIII.
I'm not saying it's a better camera, i'm simply saying that YOU ARE USING OPINION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS TO SHOW THAT THE 5DIII has better HIGH ISO performance?
Are you even reading my posts? I never said the D800 has better AF. I said the 1DX has better AF and that it was announced before the 5DIII. Whether it was available or not at the time, there was never any doubt in my mind that the AF of the 1DX would be superior.
You guys just spent a page killing our newcomer for not agreeing with you, all the while you have ignored that I presented numbers showing the D800 has better high ISO performance. I never mentioned DR in any earlier posts as I agree it is has been overblown(pardon the pun), however I don't discount it's importance. It's obviously better to have good DR than not to.
How did you rebuke the high ISO dxomark scores? by yeling, "Troll" "Troll" "troll"
TrumpetPower, please show me numbers, not opinions, but factual evidence from anywhere showing that the 5DIII is better at high ISO? I'm curious to see why you are so positive that the 5DIII is better.

As I said in earlier posts, I don't really care all that much for DXOMark, but I don't know where else to turn for lab measured numbers on cameras.
Also, people on this board can bash DXOmark scores all they want, but when Admin posted this thread with false 1DX scores, people were thrilled to gloat about the superior scores of the 1DX.... until they found out the numbers were false, when they went back to hating DXO. lol!  http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10075.0
You can disagree with me all you want, it's fine. But please don't call me a troll when i'm at least trying to give evidence. All you have given us is your opinion.
Once again, please show me where any 3rd party has definitively said the 5DIII has better high ISO.
What are you trying to achieve?
To show that my opinions based on facts are being lambasted by simple opinions with no facts?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 19, 2013, 09:30:34 PM »
OK, at the time of it's introduction the D800 had already been announced. The D800 was announced Feb 7th, 2012, the 5DIII March 2nd. The 1DX was announced on Oct 18, 2011 and released in March. So, it was never actually surpassed by the 1DX, it never was as good. I'm not slamming the 5DIII AF, as it is awesome, i'm just showing that your facts aren't facts at all.

Physician, kettle, mote, etc.

I and thousands others had thousands of exposures on our 5DIIIs long before you could even officially pre-order a 1Dx. And the D800 is many wonderful things, but it only surpasses the 5DIII in megapickle count and dynamic range -- its autofocus is far shy of the 5DIII's -- as are almost all of its other features. That you should suggest it's got better autofocus than the 5DIII...and then start whipping the dead dynamic range horse and claiming the D800 has better high ISO performance....

...yeah. Troll.

Even if you're not intentionally trolling, which I rather doubt by now, you're still trolling.

Cheers,

b&
Neuro, are you ready to stop standing on the sidelines while people argue against my FACTS with their OPINIONS. I have been killed on this board for using my opinion to make arguments many times. I presented factual numbers from DXOMARK. I explained that I don't think they are the best numbers, but they are at least numbers by a lab. What have you used for your argument, 100% opinion.
The D800 was measured as having better high ISO performance than the 5DIII.
I'm not saying it's a better camera, i'm simply saying that YOU ARE USING OPINION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS TO SHOW THAT THE 5DIII has better HIGH ISO performance?
Are you even reading my posts? I never said the D800 has better AF. I said the 1DX has better AF and that it was announced before the 5DIII. Whether it was available or not at the time, there was never any doubt in my mind that the AF of the 1DX would be superior.
You guys just spent a page killing our newcomer for not agreeing with you, all the while you have ignored that I presented numbers showing the D800 has better high ISO performance. I never mentioned DR in any earlier posts as I agree it is has been overblown(pardon the pun), however I don't discount it's importance. It's obviously better to have good DR than not to.
How did you rebuke the high ISO dxomark scores? by yeling, "Troll" "Troll" "troll"
TrumpetPower, please show me numbers, not opinions, but factual evidence from anywhere showing that the 5DIII is better at high ISO? I'm curious to see why you are so positive that the 5DIII is better.

As I said in earlier posts, I don't really care all that much for DXOMark, but I don't know where else to turn for lab measured numbers on cameras.
Also, people on this board can bash DXOmark scores all they want, but when Admin posted this thread with false 1DX scores, people were thrilled to gloat about the superior scores of the 1DX.... until they found out the numbers were false, when they went back to hating DXO. lol!  http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10075.0
You can disagree with me all you want, it's fine. But please don't call me a troll when i'm at least trying to give evidence. All you have given us is your opinion.
Once again, please show me where any 3rd party has definitively said the 5DIII has better high ISO.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 19, 2013, 12:56:27 PM »
You can say all the great things you want about the 5DIII, but it's pretty rare anyone calls it innovative, and that doesn't make it a bad DSLR.

Insisting that the 5DIII isn't innovative is most certainly trolling.

At the time of its introduction, it had the best autofocus system of any camera by any manufacturer, period. It's only since been surpassed by the 1Dx.

At the time of its introduction, it had the best high ISO performance of any camera by any manufacturer, period. That, too, has only since been surpassed by the 1Dx.
OK, at the time of it's introduction the D800 had already been announced. The D800 was announced Feb 7th, 2012, the 5DIII March 2nd. The 1DX was announced on Oct 18, 2011 and released in March. So, it was never actually surpassed by the 1DX, it never was as good. I'm not slamming the 5DIII AF, as it is awesome, i'm just showing that your facts aren't facts at all. Additionally, I have never heard anyone say that the 5DIII has the best AF of any camera on the market. The 1DX and D4 should be better(i haven't used them outside of a showroom.)
Additionally, The 5DIII has worse high ISO performance than the D800 according to DXOmark. It's ISO rating is 2293 while the D800 is 2853. I'm not a DXO mark fan, but I don't know where else to turn for objective high ISO numbers.
Nothing you stated is a fact.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 19, 2013, 12:13:33 PM »
The 5DIII is just more or less a refreshed D700 with double the MP's.... which is awesome, but not exactly innovative....

Yawn. Trolling troll is trollish.

And completely overlooks the 1Dx, the Great Whites, the TS-Es, the 24-70 II and 70-200 II, the MP-E 65....
How is this trolling?
first of all, I did mention that Canon has innovative lenses.
second of all, I did mention that "among top tier DSLR gear there isn't much difference", this was meant to say that the 1DX and D4 are fairly equal, and anyone would be hard pressed to say one is significantly better than the other.
Third, 24-70II is great, but its 600 dollars more than I paid for my Nikon 24-70, and i've never heard anyone say they want to trade the Nikon for the Canon(nor have I heard vice versa.) I think they're both great.
fourth, saying the 5DIII is an updated D700 with double the MP's isn't a bad thing. The 5DIII is the camera most Nikon fans were hoping to replace the D700. It's a great camera, and I seriously considered buying it, but ultimately it was just a little too expensive for my needs, especially along with the Canon 24-70 II.
You can say all the great things you want about the 5DIII, but it's pretty rare anyone calls it innovative, and that doesn't make it a bad DSLR.
Is it bad that the RX1 with interchangeable lenses is my dream camera? Whichever company makes this for a reasonable price(ie comparable to 5DIIIish) will instantly attract me as a huge fanboy. I'm not a Nikon Troll, Sony Troll, anything, i'm just a camera fan who happens to own both Canon and Nikon DSLR's and is very tempted to buy an RX1.
I'm not tempted to buy this camera at all. But I would have been if it was FF with similar to 5DIII specs for 3000 bucks, which would definitely have been innovative. This camera just sounds like an upgraded XTi. It's good if you don't have a DSLR or just like new toys... but I wouldn't buy this when I already own a 550D.

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