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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS 6D High Resolution Photo and Video Samples

« on: September 17, 2012, 01:05:06 PM »

Here are 100% crops taken with both the Nikon D600 and Canon 6D using 135mm & 85mm portrait lenses @ f3.2

Hmm, Nikon looks crisper and cleaner to my eye between these two images

It's definitely sharper, but a tad less flattering too - just look at the tiny blonde hairs at the bridge of the nose and above the upper lip too, sort of reminiscent of initial criticisms of the D800

Different tastes, I guess.  I prefer seeing those tiny hairs rather than the smudgy look of the Canon image because when doing macro work, I want to see those tiny hairs on an insect.  I can always smooth out skin in PP, but for when I want the detail it needs to be there first place since I can't manufacture it in PP.  Actually the Canon images looks like a rather amateurish PP job like I used to do when first learning photoshop  Just my $.02

i agree. it's pretty sad on here when people are praising a camera for having less resolution and clarity in the images(is that all we can say good about this camera?)
There is no doubt the Nikon sample is much cleaner and crisper than the Canon which is not nearly as sharp and definitely a little smudgy. I am in China so it's a little more difficult for me than in the US, but tomorrow I will be ordering a D600 and 24-70.
I really wanted to like the 5DIII and 6D, but alas, both are overpriced and less of what i'm looking for than the Nikon offerings. I will probably sell my 550D, 5DC, 24-105 and Sigma 50mm soon(most sad about saying goodbye to the Sigma, the thing has amazing bokah!)

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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 6D Preorders

« on: September 17, 2012, 08:41:59 AM »

so, anyone going to pre-order?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 17, 2012, 04:52:09 AM »

Honestly, all in all, is what I've been saying for months.

D800 has always been a far better camera than the 5D3, which has always been ridiculously overpriced. Nikon could tune down some key features and realize a still very attractive camera at an attractive price point - considering it will only go down in a few months.

The 5D3 was already at the beginning a 5D2.5; it was impossible to tune it down while keeping it attractive. The best thing for Canon would have been to price the 5D3 between the D600 and the D800, basically competing with both of them.

I pity the people who will waste their money on this 6D, it's not worth more than 1200$. No one interested in this sort of camera has a +5000$ lens collection, so switching to Nikon will not be painful.

Sad but true. IMO, the only way can could compete with what Nikon has at the moment is to put the 5DIII at 2500 dollars and the 6D and 1500 dollars. Then I would have preordered a 5DIII when it was announced.
At this point, I won't be purchasing another Canon body except for possibly a used 5DIII in a few months... otherwise i'll probably buy the D600 if the reviews are great or the RX1.
I wanted to be a die hard Canon fan, and was for a few years, but if you can't see that they are taking their customers for granted at this point then you're basically blind. This is 2012, i demand innovative, fun, cutting edge products that are competitive in the marketplace and offer upgrades in specs/quality at similar or lower prices.
IMO, this is a downgrade from the 5DII at a price that was higher than Adorama's price for the 5DII over a year ago!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 17, 2012, 03:48:07 AM »

I'll remember this day as the day I became a Nikon user.

I didn't like Canon'r recent price policy, but I said to myself "let's wait, maybe the 6D will be worth staying with Canon". Quite obviously it's not. We all know Canon is lagging behind in terms of sensor technology, but the problem with this camera is certainly not the sensor - or at least not it alone. It's ridiculous to put the 6D and the D600 at the same price point. Some time ago Canon had the lead on lenses, nowadays this is not so true anymore. The reasons to choose/stay with Canon - unless you're heavily invested in glass - are hard to find; and if you're heavily invested in glass you're not buying the 6D anyway, so who's this camera at this price point for?

this. the D600 dominates the specs on everything except GPS, wifi and touchscreen, these are consumer gimics though and aren't something I require in a 2000 dollar camera. what I do require is awesome AF, AFMA, and a 100% viewfinder. This camera has none. If you haven't bought the D800, D600, or 5DIII yet, I don't see how this camera presents anything new or even a new price point.
If you're a beginner, moving up from a Rebel, this camera doesn't have a lot of sexy specs differentiating it from the 650D(especially AF!!!) and it's over 1000 dollars more.  If you only have a kit lens or a couple of EF-S lenses I don't see why you'd choose this instead of switching to Nikon.  If you do have a lot of Canon glass, and cant switch or don't want to, then you probably already have a 5DIII and aren't that interested anyways.
This camera absolutely baffles me.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...

« on: September 17, 2012, 12:42:01 AM »

It's not "a Rebel body".

It appears to be a lighter, smaller version of the 5D2, with an SD card slot instead of CF.  It is almost the same size as, and a little lighter than, a 7D.  It likely offers much better high ISO than either a 7D or 5D2 (it has the ISO range of the 5D3). 

I'll be interested to learn more about the autofocus:  how good overall, how many cross-type AF points and does it offer AFMA?

Keep in mind that the 5D2 was introduced at $2,700 and is now $1,900.  That's a 26% price reduction over 4 years.  If this new 6D has the same price reduction, it will drop to $1,475 over four years.

In four years the D600 will still be same price as this camera, and will still have much better specs. And I won't be using a DSLR(hopefully), and instead will be using a very similar spec'd D600, but in a mirroless, interchangeable lens body.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...

« on: September 16, 2012, 11:55:16 PM »

insulting.
if they think i'm going to pay 2100 dollars for that, then i am definitely insulted. As someone who owns a 5DC and a 24-105(with some other stuff too,) I can honestly say that the D600 destroys this camera spec wise. And based on the sensor/DR ratings of the D800 vs 5DIII I don't have much faith that the sensor will be as good as the Nikon's.... much less surpass it.
I don't even consider this as an upgrade to the 5DII, and that camera was $1900 new a year ago, with tons of free stuff from Adorama(and I didn't buy it then.)
This camera is DOA for me.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 16, 2012, 10:43:45 PM »

This is borderline insulting.
When the 5DII came out 4 years ago, the AF was underwhelming.... now they announce a FF camera over 2000 dollars with ANOTHER 11 point AF?
I was waiting for this camera to upgrade from my 5D Classic. I would've bought a 5DII a long time ago, but i wanted better AF.
EVERYONE has been saying to just put something similar to the AF of the 7D in the 6D and make it FF and that would be cool....
Then they deliver ANOTHER 11PT AF?
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
From my perspective, everything Canon has released in the past couple of years has either been overpriced(mainly 24-70, 24mm, 28mm lenses, and 5DIII(should've been 3000 off the bat)) or just completely uninteresting/seemingly inferior to Nikon..
The only things about this camera that i see as an obvious upgrade from my 5D Classic from 2005 are the GPS, the size(i like smaller, 5DC is a brick), and the screen on the back......
of course the sensor and ISO are better, but they should be!!!
If this camera was 1200 dollars i'd consider it instead of the D600.....
but with these specs and price, THIS IS A JOKE......
It's not even close.
Go ahead and flame away on me, but if you think this camera is better than the D600(especially after the D800 sensor trounced the 5DIII in tests,) then you are obviously smoking what Canon wants you to be smoking.
This is borderline insulting to Canon users and people heavily invested in the system.
i'll wait for some tests on the D600 to consider buying it, i may still get the D800, 5DIII or RX1, but I won't even consider this camera, and this should be exactly what I was waiting for(a 5DII with 7D AF.)

DSLR's are a dying breed, I'm really getting more interested in lightening my bag(I travel a lot, hike, etc.) and it seems that Canon only wants to hasten their demise by offering underwhelming, un-innovative products at exorbitant prices.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

« on: September 14, 2012, 09:33:00 PM »

So everyone, compared to what Nikon's D600 is offering and based on the recently released specs and pics (real or not) what is the most you would pay for this camera?  I'm going with $1600.

Agreed - I would consider 1500 the maximum "fair" price for a camera of this spec but I could stretch to 1600 maybe.     
I used to be a bit of a canonista, but I'm getting more brand agnostic every day.   

I own a 24-105 and a 50mm 1.4 Sigma along with my 5DC. I wouldn't buy the 6D(at these specs) for any price.
i'm fairly happy with my 5DC overall, i just want to upgrade the AF and downsize on weight a little bit, with a little more high tech feel and better display screen.
If the camera really is these specs I will switch to the D600 or possibly the RX1/NEX FF(when it finally comes.)
I'm sick of Canon overpricing lenses and intentionally crippling camera bodies. If the lenses were expensive and the bodies innovative and competitively priced i'd have no problems(or vice versa,) but at this point i'm basically fed up with Canon.
If the 6D is a 5DII with a 7D AF system I might pay 1700 max, but I'd still probably rather have the D600 at this point, or just buy nothing and wait for mirrorless FF to come.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony RX1 Full Frame sensor Compact leaked photos / rumor

« on: September 10, 2012, 12:48:12 AM »

When I saw this post this morning(i'm in China,) I instantly thought that it would be my next camera. Then I opened the posting and saw a fixed focal length!!!!
If this had been a FF mirrorless with a 35mm Zeiss Kit lens at 3000 bucks I would've preordered. If this camera was 1600 bucks I would be extremely tempted....
If I bought this camera, i'd love it, but in one year when an interchangable lens version of this camera comes out i'd regret paying so much money for it.
I really want this camera, but for 3000 dollars I'd like something with a little more options than one focal length and no viewfinder(also, is there a shutter speed dial?)

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark II vs Nikon D600

« on: September 07, 2012, 09:10:28 PM »

Its fantastic to see Nikon respond 4 years after the introduction of the 5D II and 7 years after the 5D.

The D700 was the response to the 5DII. Personally, i'd prefer a D700 to a 5DII.
AF>Video for me
If the 6D doesn't come out before the end of the year, i'll probably buy the D600 or D700.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Announcements Before Photokina

« on: September 07, 2012, 03:16:31 AM »

Earlier this year I would have pre-ordered a D600 style Canon body, or even a D600, or a 2500 dollar 5DIII... I had dreamed of a 2500 dollar 5DIII with a 7Dish AF. At this point, I'm getting sick of all these big, heavy DSLR bodies. I live and work in China and often walk 7km to work. When I'm not living here, I like backpacking with my wife. I need something smaller and lighter. I used to think the answer to this was a small FF DSLR. After waiting for a year for a reasonably priced upgrade to the 5DII,  I'm really getting tired of lugging around my 5DC and 24-105.
I really, really want a new upgraded FF camera that isn't 3000 dollars. I can afford to buy it, I just don't want to spend that much money on a camera.
I'm sorry, but the 7d, and 60D are very tired bodies. Yes they still take great pictures, but the 7D was mature when I bought my 550D when it came out, and the 60D was a non starter to me.
At this point, the new 1400 dollar Fuji X-E1 is looking way, way better every moment, especially with the F2.8 kit lens.
I think Canon has really failed itself and it's customers by milking the 5DIII price and new lens prices. I simply don't want to pay 5000 dollars for a Camera and 2.8 lens that fills my entire backpack and weighs a TON.
I may order a D600 and Nikon 24-70, I may get an X-E1, or I may wait for another FF camera, but i'm not really excited anymore about the future of Canon or DSLR's.
If you want to make excuses for why constantly rising prices is ok, and why the 5DII is still great for your needs that's fine. But for me personally, I don't want to spend 2000 dollars on a 4 year old camera and unless I switch careers, i'm not interested in spending 3000 dollars on a digital camera body.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Announcements Before Photokina

« on: September 07, 2012, 03:10:08 AM »

First you all complain of new higher prices, then complain when there is nothing new to buy.

May be they just want something new (tech wise), but not intended to milk its customers. Ahem Nikon ahem.

The 5DIII is still a very hefty price(I would of paid 2700 dollars to preorder it, not 3500.)
 Is too much to ask to expect something new in the 7D/60D range for Photokina?
 Is it too much to ask to expect a competitor to the D600?
I don't understand why people think it is too much to expect that newer models of cameras and lenses should be more high tech at similar costs to the previous models? If every camera increased in price by 20%, then we will be paying over 5000 dollars for the 5DVI...... Anybody who thinks this is reasonable has wayyy too much money.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Cheap Camera Ideas...worth it?

« on: August 23, 2012, 09:45:10 PM »

I'm sorry, but I don't think that most photographers understand what it means to backpack with gear. A tripod? for a beginner? an external flash?
her XT already has a flash. I have backpacked for the past 10 months in Asia, and it's a pain in the as$ carrying extra stuff around, and strapping a giant tripod on my bag or carrying an external flash for a beginner is like telling my mom to put nitrous in her prius.
way overkill. I understand that lighting is essential, and tripods help a ton, but please.... for a beginner, or someone not that interested at the moment, more accessories to make life more confusing, and her bag heavier is a bad idea.
i agree that the 50mm would be good, but on a crop, its too tight.
i'd upgrade to the 18-55 IS II if possible, and call it a day. or get an S100 or something like that. otherwise, just tell her to enjoy what she has and use it

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony NEX goes Full Frame!!!!

« on: August 17, 2012, 11:41:40 AM »

if this is true, then i'm super excited. I'm not too familiar with the NEX lineup as I really am not all that interested in anything other than FF since I got my 5DC.
Would this use the NEX lens mount, or would they make a new mount? I'm all about competition in the industry so I think it's great to see more FF cameras on the market(hopefully)!

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Lighting / Re: Smallest capable speedlight for 5D m3

« on: August 09, 2012, 05:02:32 AM »

these shots and these alone killlll me. I travel a lot, and I love the fill flash on sunset shots... I hate carrying around that stupid 270ex or whatever it is called. I've probably used mine 5 times but still spent 120 bucks on it. I'd be very happy if the new entry level FF had this as this is actually a big reason for me to consider switching to Nikon. Anyone talking about reflectors and 430/580's obviously has never backpacked across south america or SE Asia.