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Third Party Lenses (Sigma, Tamron, etc.) / Re: Asahi S-M-C f/1.4 50mm
« on: December 20, 2013, 08:47:28 PM »
very nice. the ability to easily use and MF lenses like this is one of the reasons I bought my a7. If I see a used one around at a decent price I may just pull the trigger!

EOS Bodies / Re: A 2014 Roadmap Part 1: The 7D Mark II is Coming [CR2]
« on: December 20, 2013, 01:32:13 AM »
I'm clamoring for a successor to the 5D3 to be announced, so that the price of the 5D3 will drop. I'd like to pick up a 2nd 5D3 for around $2K, and retire my 5DC.

Check back around 2018. The 5DIII might drop to around $2K by then.
In 2018 the price of the 5DIII will be closer to $1K than 2K.
The 5DII was announced 9/2008. By Xmas 2011, it was on sale for $2k. I remember being extremely tempted by it but holding off knowing the 5DIII was coming soon. The 5DIII was announced 3/2012. It is now 12/2013 and the price has dropped from$3500 at launch to $2649 today at Amazon. It seems to me that it will be on sale next year around the $2300 mark if not even lower by black friday or xmas 2014
Camera technology is moving fast and prices are falling. With Sony releasing $1700 full frame compact cameras the market will soon be flooded with used full frame cameras for around $1k. Sony, Fuji and many other brands will be releasing more FF cameras even more often in the next few years. The prices of used high quality cameras will drop from the exclusive price points they have been at.
 I see the 5DII at about $600 bucks in 2018, and the 5DIII around $1250

Names we'll prob never see from Canon -

4D - four also reads as death in Japanese.
8D - 2 x 4 = 8 still a multiple of four. Superstition may keep this name at bay! Also sounds like you're saying 80.
I live in China(same ideas about the meaning of 4 or "si") and this is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Nikon already has a D4 as their flagship. My building(and most others) have a 4th floor. My apartment is #4..... etc.
"Si," depending on the tone it is said in also means "temple, silk, thought/think, tear/rip, personal, then/this, feed, similar and many, many others.
Yes, there is some truth to the idea, but I think the Nikon D4 proved that it is definitely not out of the realm of possibility for a camera to have a "4" in the name.

A valid marketing reason to ship the premium APS-C offering with a new name is this. If the new camera is a feature-laden as we hope, it's going to need a higher pricepoint. To name a significantly higher priced release as the 7DII will elicit howls of protest.  >:( "Look how much they've raised the price of the 7D!!!" >:(

But if it's skillfully repositioned as an all new model, the grounds for grumbling will be lessened. The 7D classic may even soldier on for another couple of years...who knows? It's still a very good camera which has aged remarkably well.

I think this is spot on. If Canon wants to make the end all be all of APS-C cameras(which I believe is what they should do) they will probably want to position it well over 2000 dollars. A new, higher level name will facilitate this better than a simple "II" designation.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« on: December 12, 2013, 10:04:12 AM »
who's downloading the new 7D firmware to see if the same kind of thing will happen to them?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware 2.0.5 Now Available
« on: December 12, 2013, 12:15:50 AM »
Wow. The level of paranoia here is incredible. Was there a sale on tinfoil hats somewhere?
after reading about previous firmware updates making 3rd party gear unusable for other manufacturers(and I believe even Canon themselves(wasn't there a 3rd party battery issue a few months back?),)  i would not blame anyone for thinking that this tiny, non reversible upgrade to the firmware was solely to fix this rather insignificant problem that I have never heard anyone mention.
I would be very very suspicious of this firmware and I would certainly not implement it if I had a 7D.

but that's just me.

EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS M with EVF Second Half of 2014?
« on: December 09, 2013, 11:09:28 AM »
we really have to wait until the second half of 2014 for the possibility of an M with a viewfinder? The M has been out well over a year now and there is no replacement in the works? Aren't these sort of entry level cameras usually replaced every year or so? Why are they so unprepared and disinterested in making a compelling product?
The only positive hope I have is that they dont want to piss off Americans when they rehash the M system in to a full frame option next year so they are just keeping it low profile and focusing more on the Asian market in the meantime.
I'd be thrilled if Canon created a full frame mirrorless option to lead the EOS-M lineup.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 07:37:34 AM »
Neuro, come on.... are you really still standing up for Canon and their 18mp sensor?
Back when the original 12 megapixel 5D was introduced, a very experienced wedding photographer bought it and soon returned it.  He told me it had "too many megapixels".  He realized he had no need for 12mp and didn't want to deal with the big files.  Now we think the little EOS M2 should have more than 18mp.  People who buy the little M2 will be making really, really big prints. ;)
BTW, my problem with the 18mp sensor has absolutely nothing to do with the number. I think it is pretty much the perfect amount of Megapixels for my needs... I just bought the a7(not the a7r.)
I just think at this point Canon needs to do something to get over this hump with their 18mp sensor... buy them from Sony, figure out some new technology, do something...
From the 7D in 2009 to yesterdays EOS-M2 release, there has been very little innovation in the Canon world recently.
EOS-M isn't a compelling product in the competitive US marketplace, but it could be, and it really wouldn't take all that much effort on Canon's part to make it so. The thing that confuses me is, instead of even trying...they drop it from our market? Strange. Very strange, and disappointing.
This is the part that is strange. Why don't they make a competetive product? Ok, the M was late to the party... but now they just quit? The M isn't a new release, couldn't they get an M2 to the US market before the holidays this year? My only guess is a more upgraded M will be released in the US sometime next year... I just cant get why it isn't available yet?

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 07:26:49 AM »
Neuro, come on.... are you really still standing up for Canon and their 18mp sensor?

Whether I'm standing up for it or not is as irrelevant as whether you're bashing it or not, because as you stated:

...they can sell tons of DSLR's to the masses.

But he, like myself, will no longer be recommending Canon cameras to "the masses" that ask us for advice on which digital camera to buy. Multiplier effect.
just because something is popular does not meant it is good. 5 years ago I certainly would've recommended buying a Canon camera... These days, not so much.
I'm here to talk about things I like, things i'm in interested in. I wish Canon had an a7 competitor to discuss with you guys here, but they simply don't.
 Just because something is popular does not mean it's good.
look at bieber.

I still don't understand who these full frame mirorrless cameras are aimed at, aside from a hobbyist with a lot of money to burn.

-Average consumer, it is too expensive
-Camera-oriented gadget freak, would probably rather have a cameraphone like the Lumia 1020
-Compact camera fan, the zoom lenses are too big to truck around - all these pics don't look much smaller than a 6D w/ lens.
-Professional, would rather have a real DSLR with viewfinder through lens, more physical buttons, big lens selection, bigger body to grip

So what is left for this camera? Hobbyists with a lot of cash?  I guess that is the market they are going for.
I bought one. i'm a 32 year old who has been in to photography since learning in a darkroom in the early 90's with my mom's old Minolta.
For years, i was dissatisfied with digital cameras because of their poor image quality and generally stayed away. In 2008 I bought a top of the line Sony Cyber Shot for a 3 month backpacking trip to South America. In 2010 I was in Hong Kong traveling and finally bought a Canon DSLR. I was excited to have better image quality. i was never happy with APS-C, the crop factor, and always wanted the best low light abilities. I traveled for about 10 months using the 550D and taking tons of photos.
 After I finished traveling I wanted something to better suit my 24-105 lens, so I traded up to a used 5DC but it always seemed a little antiquated(terrible AF and back screen.)
So, I bought a used D700 and 24-70 2.8 for the AF and image quality. It was simply amazing, but after traveling in Japan for a month last year, my shoulders and back were sore every day from hanging 5 pounds around my neck and shoulders for 8 to 10 hours a day of walking around and sightseeing. Additionally, I like to carry a camera in my bag and when I walk to my work, or come home I like to take some pictures. This is at night and poor image quality annoys me, but my D700 took up my WHOLE backpack and made it a chore to carry, the opposite of fun.
So, I have been eagerly awaiting something that offers top of the line image quality, but in a size that doesn't hurt my shoulders and back. Something that is manageable.
Sure, my D700 is fantastic, and If I had to have the best chance of getting the picture, i'd use that(mostly because of the AF and great ergonomics), but, I simply never carried it in my bag, so I was never able to use it.
If I go to local game, or I just want to go out for a few hour and shoot some pictures, I can use my D700 no problem. but for carrying daily in my backpack, backpacking, hiking, or for my wife, the a7 is 1000x times better.
I don't make money on my photos... but I do enjoy doing it. And I could never say I enjoyed carrying my D700 around.
i bought my a7 last week. I got a small very high quality case for it and it now sits in my backpack every day.
When I go to work, or go out, I ALWAYS have it now. I don't even notice it's in my bag.
So now, photography can be a fun hobby for me again, instead of a (literally) pain in the neck, back and shoulders.

And, this is saying nothing about how AWESOME the a7 is at manual focusing. This is something I loved about my early days but had totally lost using DSLRs.  I Love slowing down a little bit, composing my shots, using focus peaking and magnification and focusing myself! Despite it's small size, the a7 does have all the manual controls, knobs and buttons of a normal DSLR. The layout and programmable buttons are far easier and more useful to me than the D700 or 5DC. The Sony a7 is the closest thing to the old school shooting experience I have seen outside of the Leica.

In all, I'd say the a7 is for anyone who appreciates having absolute top image quality but doesn't want to carry a huge DSLR. This could be anyone.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 04, 2013, 10:08:58 PM »
I'm not saying that Canon needs to dump the 18mp sensor because of external competition. I'm saying they need to dump it because they themselves already have better technology, and there is absolutely no reason not to utilize the 20mp DPAF sensor in the EOS-M2. I don't believe it would cannibalize 70D sales at all...different class of camera.

No reason that you know of...   For example, what if the more complicated circuit printing results in a higher QC failure rate?  That might raise the production cost of the sensor to the point where it is not cost-effective to put in a camera body that may end up selling for $300.

Also, maybe to you it's just "the same old 18 MP sensor."  But to Canon, it's a "new" sensor that to date has only been used in one prior camera body – the SL1/100D.  Undoubtedly, Canon incurred development costs for Hybrid CMOS AF II, and it is quite likely that the SL1 alone is not sufficient to recoup those costs to yield a return on that investment.

I'm not saying you're wrong to suggest that Canon should put their latest and greatest technology into their products, I'm just pointing out practical reasons why they may not have done so in this case.
Neuro, come on.... are you really still standing up for Canon and their 18mp sensor?
I was in to DSLR's for about 5 years(not anymore, just got my a7!) and during that entire 4 year span of time Canon released many new APS-C cameras from the 7D to the T2i, to the 60D, etc, etc, etc...
To suggest that Canon use a different sensor is not to demand that they put their latest and greatest of everything in to every camera release. It's simply to suggest that if we are expected to care about a new release, maybe they should do something a little different. Just slapping a new badge and Wifi in something, and calling it a new release is not enough to get me excited. yes, it has kept Canon as the leader in DSLR sales.
But in the eyes of many, Canon is as dull as can be at this point.
I'm done with buying DSLR's. Unless they make one the size of the a7, I will never buy one again. I think many people feel the same. In the 5 years I've been following camera releases, I cant think of any cameras Canon has released that have been really exciting at launch.
In fact, I declined to purchase a refurb 7D in 2011 because I thought it was old(bought a 5DC instead)... now we're at the doorstep of 2014 and we're still in the same place.
At this point, Canon is simply resting on their laurels. They are the market leader and they can sell tons of DSLR's to the masses.
I used to be a big Canon fan, but at this point, there is nothing to be a fan of. I'm tired of DSLR's. What more can they do besides the 5DIII? They are already wayyy too big for serious traveling.
Now Canon simply doesn't release their newer, different products in the US? Ok, so it's just an incremental upgrade, but if so, why didn't they release this camera in June, and a high end M2x now with a viewfinder, flash, and a more pro like feel with better controls.

And please, don't tell me if I want a pro like camera with all the knobs and controls I NEED a DSLR. this is simply not true. I am 6'2" 200lbs, and my a7 fits great in my hands and has a shutter speed, aperture, and ISO dials along with TONS of programmable buttons.
DSLR's are not the future of photography, only the future of professional photography. In the future, people like my mom, aunts, and cousins, all of whom own DSLR's now, will simply buy mirrorless. In fact, most of them are already jealous of the advantages(mostly size) my a7 has over their DSLR's. They are quickly learning that DSLR's are no longer the ticket to the best image quality and they are happy to switch to something smaller and more fun.
Canon should do something to create some excitement and show their willingness to expand beyond DSLR's. Releasing another 18mp sensor that wont be available in the US is doing nothing to do so.

Has this been announced in the US yet?
you think they will finally announce the 11-22mm lens in the US along with this camera?
*update* just saw the latest post... is this really not being announced in the US at all? what is Canon thinking?
are they just quitting? will they have a FF mirrorless coming soon(or ever?) I feel like they are just giving up on trying to do anything besides DSLR's in the US. You would think they might give a little more effort in to developing something for the future.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Gets Official
« on: December 03, 2013, 07:00:49 AM »
still no viewfinder or flash? i would have thought they would have made a little more premium type of version by now.
no new lenses at all? what about 24,50, or 85mm primes? I don't particularly care as I am content with the 11-22 and 22mm lenses I have, but you'd think Canon might try to put a little more in to the system besides there miniscule current lens selection.
this seems verrrry similar to the original to me. of course it has faster AF, how could it be any slower?
if this had a flash, I would buy it to replace my eos-m classic when the price goes down to 300 bucks again, but as it is I really have no use for an upgrade.
I'll be using my new Sony a7 95% of the time anyways.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Cyber Monday Roundup - Continually Updated
« on: December 03, 2013, 03:08:42 AM »
I had no problems downloading Lightroom PC on amazon  US.  This year or last year but I am a prime member and likely addicted to Amazon.  I am currently updating to 5.2 as I type this.
5.2? You're living in the stone age!
I just downloaded Lightroom 5.3 RC(!!!!) after buying the online DL from newegg last night for 80 bucks(China time.)
Spent all morning fiddling with updates, finally got it all set up on my new laptop so I can edit my Sony a7 RAW files. I'm having a blast!
 and I didn't even have to wait for Black Friday to get an a7 and 28-70mm kit along with a Sony 32gb SD card,extra Sony battery and tons of other freebies for 1700 bucks(300 bucks cheaper than the kit alone in the US!) This is one of the only items ever to be cheaper in China than the US!

I found the pre-announcement teaser videos very enticing.  But as soon as I saw a picture of the real thing, my interest dropped to zero.  I do not know who would buy that camera at that price.

This camera is a joke. It's ugly.... way too big and despite being lighter and smaller than almost all DSLR's, looks like a brick.
While it is retro, it is certainly not retro done right.
As people have noted earlier, it should be much more beneficial to manual focusing and the price should be more in line with the features.
NOT giving us video does not make we want to pay out an extra 800 dollars over the D610.
Additionally, while the knobs are nice looking, I believe that modern DSLR controls are easier to use and better ergonomically.
Also, while the pre announcement marketing was great, it built up expectations to high for what the product was actually delivering.
This was a major failure by Nikon.

Canon General / Re: TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
« on: November 26, 2013, 04:40:18 AM »
Yesterday was the day I made the move. I bought the a7 and will soon sell all my DSLR gear. I cannot imagine a reason to go back to DSLR's as long as the weight is nearly double an a7 sized camera and the size is much larger

How much would a 70-200 lens for the a7 weigh and how much smaller would it be?
the Sony FE mount f4 version is pretty similar to Canon's current offering(based on a visual comparison alone.)
That being said, if you read my whole comment you would see that I specifically mention that most pros will still use DSLR's. However, I know about 10-15 people with DSLR's(all amateurs) and only 1 of them has the 70-200(the f4 he bought for 350 bucks on CL) or anything longer(besides those cheap 18-300 superzooms.)
I myself want a small camera with a few small primes for when I travel for extended periods of time and for carrying around daily in my backpack.
If I have to sacrifice ergonomics with long lenses, that I never use, for this, then that is an easy choice to make.
I know for people who regularly use long, heavy lenses this sentiment may be very different, but that is not the majority of DSLR buyers.

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