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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 24, 2013, 09:01:34 PM »

They easily could have made the 24-70 2.8 II an IS lens to begin with, which we all wanted and expected,

not all

many wanted and expected something with prime-like performance on a FF at 24mm and amazing f/2.8 center across the range in a reasonably small (smaller and lighter than before) package. And we got that.
I would have been fine with v2 had the price not seemingly doubled at release(I understand sales, vs release prices and MSRP, but that is what essentially happened in the short term(1 year at least.) With the price hike from v1 to v2 they should have made it IS, put the opening price at $2499, and if they had wanted to released the current v2 at $2249, or less.
I just don't like the idea of another new lens release with an insane price, especially when the concept of having IS in the this lens had been talked about for a while.
I'm all for paying top dollar for something if it gives me exactly what I want, but otherwise, i'd rather just hold out for the best, considering the price of v2 wasn't low either.
It's like the new iPhone here in China(where I live). They made the 5c for $730 bucks, and the 5s for $860. If i'm going to drop 700 dollars on a new phone, I don't want to wish I had the metal body, or better processor, etc(or IS), i'd rather just pay $100 dollars more and have the best. Likewise, if i'm going to pay $2300 for a lens, I'd like to be fairly sure there isn't an upgraded version coming the next year.

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 21, 2013, 11:51:41 PM »
i'm much more excited about the Sigma F2.
I'm extremely tired of companies offering very small incremental changes over longggg periods of time. I'm not holding my breath for Canon to release what I want, I'm just moving on.
They easily could have made the 24-70 2.8 II an IS lens to begin with, which we all wanted and expected, especially for the price.  Had they made one, I probably would've bought a 5DIII and that lens(Instead of switching to Nikon who's 24-70 is amazing.)
At this point in time, I'm much more excited about 2.8 zooms and cheap bodies for the EOS M and a FF mirrorless.
I would not pay 2500 dollars for another DSLR lens as I'm very tired of the weight, and I'm not a pro. I'll probably just hold out and hope Sony can make a 24-50mm 2.8 in a size smaller than current 24-70 2.8's for the upcoming full frame mirrorless they're announcing.

Of course you realize if Sigma really does come out with a FF 24-70 f2.0 it is going to be a monster to carry around, right?  I expect it will be at least as big as the 70-200 2.8 II.
I didn't say i'd buy the Sigma, I just said i'm much more excited about it than the next 3000 dollar Canon lens.
If Sigma does make a 24-70 F2, I seriously doubt it will be as big as the 70-200 2.8, that is just too big and not practical. I do not think that would be very succesful at all. I don't think that the rules of lens optics and size are entirely set in stone yet.

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 21, 2013, 12:53:02 PM »
The one guy who says he switched to Nikon for their 24-70....uh....ok...? (*scratches head*)
I didn't switch to Nikon for their 24-70 specifically, if I had to name one thing it would be the AF of the D700 vs the AF of the 5DII(I did this over a year ago when the 5DIII was still $3500 and new 5DII's were around $2K.
I had an old 5DC with a 24-105, but I missed focus on half my shots and just constantly was disappointed when conditions were not perfect. I also like the pop up flash on the D700, it saves me from having to lug around a separate flash 90% of the time.
I traded my 5DC and lens for the 24-70 2.8 Nikon pretty much, then paid 1400 more for a used but basically mint D700. I think I made a huge upgrade from the 5DC and 24-105 without having to pay 5000 dollars. I hardly ever hear anyone say anything bad about the Nikon 24-70, and I've personally never used a better lens. The Canon might be sharper, but at this point, I wouldn't trade my Nikon 24-70 for anything less than a FF mirrorless system that is much smaller and lighter.
I travel a lot and am sick of DSLR's. I'm now looking to only use my EOS-M and hopefully something a little(or lot) better but with a similar size in the future.

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 20, 2013, 11:33:20 PM »
i'm much more excited about the Sigma F2.
I'm extremely tired of companies offering very small incremental changes over longggg periods of time. I'm not holding my breath for Canon to release what I want, I'm just moving on.
They easily could have made the 24-70 2.8 II an IS lens to begin with, which we all wanted and expected, especially for the price.  Had they made one, I probably would've bought a 5DIII and that lens(Instead of switching to Nikon who's 24-70 is amazing.)
At this point in time, I'm much more excited about 2.8 zooms and cheap bodies for the EOS M and a FF mirrorless.
I would not pay 2500 dollars for another DSLR lens as I'm very tired of the weight, and I'm not a pro. I'll probably just hold out and hope Sony can make a 24-50mm 2.8 in a size smaller than current 24-70 2.8's for the upcoming full frame mirrorless they're announcing.


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EOS Bodies / Re: New EOS M This Week? [CR1]
« on: September 17, 2013, 12:48:28 PM »
dear canon,
please give us better AF, a built in flash, and a decent viewfinder. if so, i will seriously consider buying it once the price drops from 800 dollars ish. if possible(not holding my breath), please throw in better high ISO and maybe another dial or two so i don't have to use the touchscreen so much.
sincerely,
someone hoping for a full frame Canon mirrorless, but content enough with the M for now.

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EOS-M / Re: 4 weeks in South East Asia with the EOS M as 2nd Body
« on: September 13, 2013, 08:51:27 PM »
The simplest way to control the touch-to-expose button is to press the Info button several times until there is nothing on the screen but the image and focus area. Then, if you have set the touch to Off, you cannot turn it on inadvertently, and if it is On it still works.
very good advice, i hadn't thought of this, but it seems like the simplest most efficient workaround(although it might confuse my wife.) Thanks for the tip!

For those saying these inconveniences make the M not worth the trouble, I would wholeheartedly disagree(at least at the price I paid.)
I think the M is a real solid camera, very well built and it seems to take photos and video at least as good as my 550D. Having the M, the 22mm F2 lens, and the a solid wide angle lens for around 700 bucks is a great travel setup. It's not the best out there, and if I was a pro(who did quick moving subjects) I wouldn't use it, but for my purposes, it's more than I could ask for. I don't really feel the image quality, AF, or lenses from other APS-C mirrorless systems is better enough to justify the giant increase in price from what I paid for the M. I'm very happy with it as my backup body, or possibly even my only body when I travel to India this winter(i'm really sick of carrying my FF DSLR and 24-70 2.8... it's just too big and heavy for backpacking.)

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EOS-M / Re: 4 weeks in South East Asia with the EOS M as 2nd Body
« on: September 13, 2013, 10:40:46 AM »
this is a very on topic post for me as I am sitting in my hotel room now in Malaysia writing this with my M as my second body(to my D700.)
so far, I think the M is pretty cool. The battery does die rather quickly and I do need to make sure to turn it off after every use otherwise it will take many, many, many unwanted photos.
I only have the 22mm lens at the moment, but I just ordered the 11-22 a few days ago from Amazon.com.cn for $360(I live in China and my Chinese cousin in law spotted me this deal on the Chinese version of slickdeals!!!)
I am very happy to hear more positive reviews about this lens combo. My wife loves using this camera, and the video is great. I also really enjoy taking it out and about when i'm not in the mood to carry the uber heavy D700 and 24-70 2.8(which takes amazingly awesome photos!)
Does anyone have any advice on AF settings for the M? I'd love some input on the best settings you guys have found for the AF? Thanks in advance!
Also, how do you permanently disable the touch to shoot feature? I like it sometimes, but it always switches on and off without me noticing.

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PowerShot / Re: Why the PowerShot S120 so expensive?
« on: September 06, 2013, 10:26:23 PM »
i agree that 449.99 is a bit much. I also agree with neuro that if I was to buy a point and shoot it would be the RX100mkII.
But where do you get that it is 5 times more than a typical point and shoot? i'm not aware of any decent Canon cameras that are under 100 dollars.... it might be double the price, but I think most quality cameras that would be a backup for a DSLR user would start at around 300 bucks.

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EOS-M / Re: Mount EF, EF-S or L lens on EOS-M --- Your thought???
« on: August 26, 2013, 03:16:52 AM »
At a firesale price of $299 many bought one.

What I find amazing now is that the M has many more people defending it now.
I am not sure if it is pride of ownership, or ego's defending a purchase they once said they would never make.
this is easy to explain. my two biggest gripes about the M at launch was that it was too expensive and the AF was way too slow.
the firmware update made the AF usable(IMO) and the price drop from 800ish to 300 brought this camera in to an entirely new universe of comparisons.

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PowerShot / Re: Canon PowerShot G16 Announced
« on: August 22, 2013, 09:38:51 AM »
still a little underwhelmed with these G series cameras. this one just doesn't really have anything new or better about it than any of the past models.
I don't really see any wow factor in this camera. It's a nice update of an old G series, but for someone who never really was interested in them before, I don't really see anything in this one that changes my opinion.

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PowerShot / Re: Canon Announces the Facebook PowerShot N
« on: August 22, 2013, 09:33:42 AM »
this is soo bad it's unbelievable. i feel like i'm listening to my grandma talk about facebook or something. Canon should be embarrassed.

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$700 for the 24-105 F4 IS is a pretty sweet deal. This is the price this lens should be at. Anything over 1000 bucks and this lens is a big no go.... $600 or $700 seems to be a fair price for this lens.

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EOS-M / Re: My EF M 11-22 has arrived
« on: July 18, 2013, 09:44:33 PM »
i'd love to see some more samples from the 11-22 if you have them. I'm very interested in this lens.

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Lenses / Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« on: July 15, 2013, 12:27:25 AM »
I think that there are three possible explanations (in order of likelihood):

1. The moderator who responded on the Canon USA forum was ill briefed and was wrong. 

2. Canon are planning a big relaunch of the EOS-M system this Autumn (sorry, Fall ;)) and want to announce the 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM as a "new" lens in the USA at that time. 

3. Sales figures of mirrorless cameras are flattening off and Canon is quietly pulling out of the market segment (at least for now).
honestly, I think we are all making a big deal about nothing. I think this is a clear case of #1 and and 2 above.
Canon customer support does not have a unified message and are responding to emails with poorly worded statements which are being mistaken as overall facts or press releases from Canon.
I see no reason why this one lens, of all the lenses in the Canon lineup would not be released in the US. I'd say it is far far more likely that Canon is planning an EOS-M2 launch soon and they want this lens to be part of the big announcement.
I'd say this lens will almost certainly be announced by September or October alongside the updated EOS-M.

I do not see the EOS-M system being abandoned by Canon in the near future.

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EOS-M / Re: The Frenzy is Over.....
« on: July 11, 2013, 12:14:14 PM »
It seems to me that suddenly the EOS-M has been getting a lot more positive attention than in the past - a result of many Canon Rumors visitors buying into the EOS-M and needing a little self-affirmation???  ::).
this is true. but I think the new firmware along with the huge discount completely changed the status of this camera. When I first saw this camera almost a year ago, the AF was super slow, the price was near 1000 dollars(i'm in Asia,) and the image quality was on par with the 550D I already had. I thought it was ok, but if I was going to spend $1000 I would have rather spent $2700 and bought the RX-1 that I really wanted.
After the firmware update I was more interested and when I heard $300 with the 22mm I was sold. I still know the cameras limitations and I'm not that excited. But I am quite happy to have the image quality of the 550D on the bottom of my backpack on a daily basis without having to worry about the weight or size.

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