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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D...a bit lackluster...but with a couple gems?
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:49:35 PM »
I'm really wondering how a native ISO of 25600 is not modern sensor tech.  The D600 is all of 6400.  Of course, its only hype, so we need to see the real tests, but, as long as we are comparing on paper, the sensor sounds pretty good.  The AF is still a unknown, if the 11 points work, then thats fine for the intended users.
Another gem is the ability to autofocus at -3 EV.  That is better than any Canon DSLR to date.  Its literally focusing in the dark, and just whats needed when you are using that ISO 25600.

The only way Canon could achieve ISO 25600 was by weakening their color filter array. Red and Blue pixels are much more sensitive to green light than they used to be. Canon didn't innovate anything new there, for the 1D X, 5D III, or 6D. They cheated. I don't really call that modern, I call it cheap.

As for -3 EV, I think I mentioned that was a gem in my post above. Its certainly unheard of in any DSLR to date as fa as I know...previously the lowest light sensitivity was EV -2 (at least as far as I know). And it would be focusing in full-moon moonlight, not really the dark. When we can AF at EF -6, which would be starlight, then I'll be thoroughly impressed.
I metioned the 6D may have the similar AF module as the new pentax k-5 II in another thread when digicame-info suggested the rumored 6D may have strong low light detection module.
The Pentax K-5 II was announced 8 days ago claimed:
"The 16MP Pentax K-5 II DSLR is the company's 2012 flagship camera. It is built around a weather-sealed magnesium alloy and is bundled with the SAFOX X, autofocus sensor. This is designed to work in lower light than any of its rivals (down to -3EV) it will also provide greater accuracy when working with F2.8 and fast lenses. The SAFOX X also features more sophisticated focus tracking, to keep focus when the subject moves off the original focus point."
http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/slrs/pentax_k5ii

Ah, so -3 EV isn't unheard of, its just really rare and relatively new. Out of curiosity, how many cross-type points does the K5 II have? None? One? Many?
It has 11 AF points and 9 of them are cross type points. Nothing can be worse than 6D's AF nowdays.
Frankly, I don't think a -3EV AF can work without an Autofocus assist lamp, let's wait and see.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D...a bit lackluster...but with a couple gems?
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:29:09 PM »
I'm really wondering how a native ISO of 25600 is not modern sensor tech.  The D600 is all of 6400.  Of course, its only hype, so we need to see the real tests, but, as long as we are comparing on paper, the sensor sounds pretty good.  The AF is still a unknown, if the 11 points work, then thats fine for the intended users.
Another gem is the ability to autofocus at -3 EV.  That is better than any Canon DSLR to date.  Its literally focusing in the dark, and just whats needed when you are using that ISO 25600.

The only way Canon could achieve ISO 25600 was by weakening their color filter array. Red and Blue pixels are much more sensitive to green light than they used to be. Canon didn't innovate anything new there, for the 1D X, 5D III, or 6D. They cheated. I don't really call that modern, I call it cheap.

As for -3 EV, I think I mentioned that was a gem in my post above. Its certainly unheard of in any DSLR to date as fa as I know...previously the lowest light sensitivity was EV -2 (at least as far as I know). And it would be focusing in full-moon moonlight, not really the dark. When we can AF at EF -6, which would be starlight, then I'll be thoroughly impressed.
I metioned the 6D may have the similar AF module as the new pentax k-5 II in another thread when digicame-info suggested the rumored 6D may have strong low light detection module.
The Pentax K-5 II was announced 8 days ago claimed:
"The 16MP Pentax K-5 II DSLR is the company's 2012 flagship camera. It is built around a weather-sealed magnesium alloy and is bundled with the SAFOX X, autofocus sensor. This is designed to work in lower light than any of its rivals (down to -3EV) it will also provide greater accuracy when working with F2.8 and fast lenses. The SAFOX X also features more sophisticated focus tracking, to keep focus when the subject moves off the original focus point."
http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/slrs/pentax_k5ii

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:36:54 PM »
The think I'm pissed about is how they didn't put GPS into my 5d3 (and 1dX).

They couldn't because else you'd be p* about them not making the 5d3/1dx full metal.

What potential 6d buyers should be p* reall about is Canon obviously not putting a rf flash controller for 600rt-type flashes into the 6d - would certainly have been possible since the top is only plastic to transmit wifi/gps!
Are you serious?
If they put a rf flash controller in 6d, how can they release 6d mark II with this as their major selling point ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Review
« on: September 17, 2012, 01:25:39 PM »
This 6d's review is the world's best review ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D max shutter speed, 1/4000 or 8000 ???
« on: September 17, 2012, 01:13:45 PM »
It's 1/4000 for sure, I have checked Canon China, Canon Japan and Canon US all of them say 1/4000.
BTW, I love golf gti ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sensor... why?
« on: September 17, 2012, 01:07:44 PM »
5D II had 12,000 and 25,000 for the H1 H2 while 6D has 51,000 and 102,000 for H1 H2.  Perhaps it's a trimmed down 5D III....not a trimmed down 5D II.  Or just all new.  Not that I know jack about creating sensors.
The main reason of this because 6d has the latest digic 5+ processor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sensor... why?
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:22:59 PM »
According to Canon USA the image format of 6D is 35.8mm x 23.9mm, 5D2 is 36mm x 24mm.
I guess Canon just trim down the 5D2's sensor a bit. Maybe the AF is also modified from the 9 point AF in the 5D2. In this way, Canon is able to use these 4 years old parts to create a new body, reduce the overstocked 5D2 sensors and AF module and cut the cost a lot. Three birds with one stone.

Nope. I did some quick calculations and the number of total pixels on this sensor is less than the number of effective pixels on a trimmed-down 5d2 sensor, so the pixel pitch is definitely different.

Besides, modifying a stock of existing components is, even if it's possible (and I really doubt that it is in this case), hardly cost-efficient. It's just plain easier to produce a new piece from scratch.
I did my calculation as well, but I think canon also used other techniques (something difficuilt for consumers to find out) to achieve this. I don't think canon is that stupid to let us discover this just by any simple calculation.
All of these are just my speculation though.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: EOS 6D sample images and video here
« on: September 17, 2012, 10:26:56 AM »
Well, I can say that Image 5 (Portrait at ISO 200) is a definite win. I rate it at 10/10.  ;)

if you rate that portrait at 10/10 how you rate this one (made with Nikon D600):

http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/img/sample01/img_02_l.jpg

12 out of ten????

from the first samples available ( Canon 6D and Nikon D600 ) Nikon CLEARLY wins.

I am a Canon fun and use Canon gear from many years... but i must admit... in this  days Nikon is better.
Wow, the portrait shot from D600 is way sharper than 6D's.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sensor... why?
« on: September 17, 2012, 09:39:05 AM »
According to Canon USA the image format of 6D is 35.8mm x 23.9mm, 5D2 is 36mm x 24mm.
I guess Canon just trim down the 5D2's sensor a bit. Maybe the AF is also modified from the 9 point AF in the 5D2. In this way, Canon is able to use these 4 years old parts to create a new body, reduce the overstocked 5D2 sensors and AF module and cut the cost a lot. Three birds with one stone.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announced the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:33:15 AM »
The wording might be an unlucky one. It might as well mean that the center point is a higher precision cross-type, and that there are more cross-types among the other 10 points.
I really don't think it is just unlucky wording. Several sources have already confirmed that it has only 1 cross type point, and many Canon related web forums are in flames a.t.m.

Regarding 6D vs D600:

It looks like Nikon has put things where they count - AF, sensor, etc. - while Canon has none of that, but went for the 'ooh, shiny!' factor with WiFi, GPS and (?) touchscreen - advertising points that shop assistants can use to attract those who know little about cameras.

The D600 looks like a camera One could consider if they really didn't need need the 36MP or fully-fledged AF of the D800. The 6D looks like something almost designed to disappoint the buyer into splashing out for a 5D3 six months later...
No touchscreen

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:04:21 AM »
Anyway, 11 cross-type points well spread and the AF performance could have been questionable in comparison with D600's 39 points (9 cross-type); 10 linear + 1 cross type for a +2000$ camera in 2012 is what it is: insulting.


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:01:14 AM »
Tell you a joke:
Canon 6D  ;D ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:39:12 AM »

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:06:21 AM »
So the specs of 6D is settled  :o :o

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