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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sensor... why?

« on: September 17, 2012, 12:22:59 PM »

According to Canon USA the image format of 6D is 35.8mm x 23.9mm, 5D2 is 36mm x 24mm.
I guess Canon just trim down the 5D2's sensor a bit. Maybe the AF is also modified from the 9 point AF in the 5D2. In this way, Canon is able to use these 4 years old parts to create a new body, reduce the overstocked 5D2 sensors and AF module and cut the cost a lot. Three birds with one stone.

Nope. I did some quick calculations and the number of total pixels on this sensor is less than the number of effective pixels on a trimmed-down 5d2 sensor, so the pixel pitch is definitely different.

Besides, modifying a stock of existing components is, even if it's possible (and I really doubt that it is in this case), hardly cost-efficient. It's just plain easier to produce a new piece from scratch.

I did my calculation as well, but I think canon also used other techniques (something difficuilt for consumers to find out) to achieve this. I don't think canon is that stupid to let us discover this just by any simple calculation.
All of these are just my speculation though.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: EOS 6D sample images and video here

« on: September 17, 2012, 10:26:56 AM »

Well, I can say that Image 5 (Portrait at ISO 200) is a definite win. I rate it at 10/10. 

if you rate that portrait at 10/10 how you rate this one (made with Nikon D600):

http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/img/sample01/img_02_l.jpg

12 out of ten?

from the first samples available ( Canon 6D and Nikon D600 ) Nikon CLEARLY wins.

I am a Canon fun and use Canon gear from many years... but i must admit... in this  days Nikon is better.

Wow, the portrait shot from D600 is way sharper than 6D's.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sensor... why?

« on: September 17, 2012, 09:39:05 AM »

According to Canon USA the image format of 6D is 35.8mm x 23.9mm, 5D2 is 36mm x 24mm.
I guess Canon just trim down the 5D2's sensor a bit. Maybe the AF is also modified from the 9 point AF in the 5D2. In this way, Canon is able to use these 4 years old parts to create a new body, reduce the overstocked 5D2 sensors and AF module and cut the cost a lot. Three birds with one stone.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announced the Canon EOS 6D DSLR

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:33:15 AM »

The wording might be an unlucky one. It might as well mean that the center point is a higher precision cross-type, and that there are more cross-types among the other 10 points.

I really don't think it is just unlucky wording. Several sources have already confirmed that it has only 1 cross type point, and many Canon related web forums are in flames a.t.m.

Regarding 6D vs D600:

It looks like Nikon has put things where they count - AF, sensor, etc. - while Canon has none of that, but went for the 'ooh, shiny!' factor with WiFi, GPS and (?) touchscreen - advertising points that shop assistants can use to attract those who know little about cameras.

The D600 looks like a camera One could consider if they really didn't need need the 36MP or fully-fledged AF of the D800. The 6D looks like something almost designed to disappoint the buyer into splashing out for a 5D3 six months later...

No touchscreen

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:04:21 AM »

Anyway, 11 cross-type points well spread and the AF performance could have been questionable in comparison with D600's 39 points (9 cross-type); 10 linear + 1 cross type for a +2000$ camera in 2012 is what it is: insulting.

+1

+2

+3

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:01:14 AM »

Tell you a joke:
Canon 6D 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs

« on: September 17, 2012, 05:39:12 AM »

6D sample pics and videos
http://www.cameraegg.com/canon-eos-6d-sample-images-movies/

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012

« on: September 16, 2012, 10:06:21 AM »

So the specs of 6D is settled 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600 announced - $2100, let's see how Canon response!!!

« on: September 16, 2012, 08:30:08 AM »

D600 ISO performance test against D700, pretty good to me.
http://fotospekter.si/primerjava-med-nikonom-d700-in-d600-pri-razlicnih-iso-vrednostih/

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EOS Bodies / Re: Adorama is selling 5d3 for $2745 on eBay now

« on: September 15, 2012, 01:51:24 PM »

That's crazy.  Wonder if there is a catch, i.e. grey market, etc?
Almost thought about picking up a second 5D III at that price..

It's from Adorama mate, if you heard of B&H, they both are very large Canon USA Authorised Dealers. So not grey!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Adorama is selling 5d3 for $2745 on eBay now

« on: September 15, 2012, 01:39:27 PM »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true#ht_11949wt_855

Maybe I post in the wrong section, but I don't think many people visit "price watch deal" section

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

« on: September 15, 2012, 12:55:42 PM »

Digicame-info just updated the specs:

Viewfinder coverage:97%, Magnification:0.71X
Size: 144.5x110.5x71.2mm(not 114.5, my mistake)
Af: A new strong low light detection model

5D2 has a 98% viewfinder coverage, D600 is 100%
A new released Pentax k-5 II claimed their 11 point AF detection range is from -3EV, so Canon has a similar one??

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon is out foxed.

« on: September 15, 2012, 11:26:41 AM »

Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Totally irrelevant. What matters is if they out sell Canon.  For the past several years, they have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to do so.  Keep in mind, superior technical specs aren't the whole story - if they were, Betamax would have beaten VHS.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying Nikon or Sony have superior technical specs...   

If I am not the shareholder of Canon, why I care much about their sales figure, I don't get a cent from them. So I don't care about who out sell who as long as one of them still produces something to suit my needs.
Canon got a top-ace sales and marketing team, they also have a good reputation from offering excellent things to pros, no one denies this.
Superior sales record aren't the whole story especially we are just consumers.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

« on: September 15, 2012, 11:02:56 AM »

While I'm not in the market for this camera after buying the 5d3, I think you guys are missing the point... everyone griped they wanted an entry level full frame, they got it...  To me, I think this is squarely put right there for those advanced rebel shooters and xxd users who have the option... Do you want to go full frame and get better IQ but NOT want to take out a second mortgage to get the 5d3 or 1dx, OR do you want a 7d (or 7d m2 whenever that comes to fruition).  It's for that person that wants better images without all the fancy bells in whistles... That guy who may want GPS so they can utilize it for social media and the like...  It's no 5d3 but it isn't trying to be either...  While it doesn't get me excited per se, perhaps it would have many moons ago when I was a xxd shooter...  It is what it is, an entry level full frame.  Nothing less, nothing more.

If this was to be an entry level full frame camera 3 or so years ago, it might go down well.

Today it looks like "too little, too late."

Nikon have beaten Canon to market with such a camera.

The combination of the D800/D600 will easily trounce the 5D3/6D combo in every way.

Canon's problem is that when they set out to design these cameras "n" years ago, they designed them for what the market was doing then, not what the market would expect, demand and require now.

Cannot agree more mate.
And I also agree Chuck Alaimo said MP isn't everything, the quality of the sensor is more important. However, I don't think Canon will address all the issues such as banding and low DR in base ISO in this entry level FF sensor. Just like Canon claimed the 5D3 sensor is a brand new one, but the reality shows there's no significant improvement from the one in 5D2. So they were unable to do in a $3500 camera, don't expect much from this one.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

« on: September 15, 2012, 07:48:14 AM »

someone working in a retail in the uk...

the price point in the UK will be £1799

its a 20mp camera with only 1 card slot SD/SDHC... stock will arrive in December.

The price is including 24-105 or not?? £1799 is close to $3000