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APS-C does not give the same IQ as APS-H
APS-H has more reach than ff

... but by that logic, APS-H does not give the same IQ as FF, no?

APS-H is the compromise solution that has no major weakness


Even the kids know that bigger is better  8).
So, from a marketing perspective, APS-H has one really major flaw: it's smaller than FF.
And if your camera has a smaller thingy than the competition, you can't charge same/more than the competition.
It's that simple. 

Nikon switched from DX to FX in their pro Dx line because Canon was winning with a bigger thingy in their cameras.
And Canon in turn switched from APS-H to FF in the 1-series because now Nikon had a bigger thingy.

So, despite all the cheerleading, APS-H is out forever. Get over it :P.

We will see an APS-C 7DII and it will be spectacular.

You realize that no crop camera stands a chance against the upcoming D600 in terms of image quality, right.

So, let's say Canon indeed makes an APS-C 7DII and prices it at $1699 (like the 7D).
The review sites will inevitably compare it to the similarly priced D600, with its 24mp latest generation Sony FF sensor (which will likely make the 5DIII sensor look bad).
How do you think these comparisons will turn out ???.

Will Canon turn the 7D into the 70D? Only if they want Nikon to gobble that market.

Have you not seen this:

Nikon will obviously have a FF camera at the $1800 price point, where the D300 and 7D used to live.
After Photokina, any crop camera at this price point will be doomed, as it just stands no chance when it comes to image quality.

So, if Canon doesn't want Nikon to gobble that market, the 7DII will have to be FF and priced competitively.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: So Nikon D600 is real after all
« on: June 14, 2012, 03:50:24 AM »
So Nikon D600 is real after all

... and the 7DII is so dead (in case anybody is still wondering).

Looking at the pictures, I'd say that the D600 will be priced at $1800.

EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 14, 2012, 12:15:51 AM »
Four new DSLRs ??? !

Am I the only one who thinks that this is nuts?
(Sorry, haven't gone through all posts in this thread.)

It's very likely that the mirrorless models will come as a pair - a basic one and a premium one (like Nikon's V1 and J1).
There's is also a (slight) chance for a 60D replacement at Photokina. But that's about it.

The 7D is getting a firmware update. So, certainly no 7DII this year. Maybe next year - or never.
The 5DII is Canon's entry level FF right now. So, no new 'entry level' FF this year either.

The 1DX is not even on sale yet, nine months after announcement. And yet, people are talking about a 1DsX.
Not happening this year, that's for sure.

So, for the remaining year, we'll get two mirrorless models and possibly a 70D.
This makes a total of one DSLR, not four.
And this DSLR, the 70D, is more likely to be announced early next year, not this year.

EOS Bodies / Re: APS-C Roadmap for 2012: A Prediction
« on: June 11, 2012, 02:07:36 PM »
So...there's only one example of Canon having "led" with sensors in the xxxD rebel and propgating them to the xxD - the 10 MP sensor, but three examples of a sensor debut in the xxD line (prior to the 7D release).

You are looking at this the wrong way, IMO  ;D

The historical pattern is not that new 1.6x sensors first get introduced in the xxD line.
The pattern here is that once a new sensor generation comes along, it gets reused in both the Rebels and the xxD line.
The only exception is the 12mp sensor in the 450D but that was because the 50D jumped straight to 15mp - rather than reusing the 12mp sensor.

I'd love to be proven wrong but it looks like the 650D sensor is Canon's 'new' sensor. 
So, it's very likely that this 'new' sensor will be reused in the 70D as well.

EOS Bodies / Re: APS-C Roadmap for 2012: A Prediction
« on: June 11, 2012, 01:56:34 PM »
y'all are seeing a new APS-C sensor, in the next 12 months, coming on the heals of the newly introduced 18MP hybrid AF sensor?  historical precident suggests that the present t4i sensor will make its way through the rest of the 1.6x ranks.

I agree with you ... unfortunately.

If the 70D has a new (say 22mp) sensor, it will be a first for Canon, where the Rebels and the xxD line  both have new sensors that are different from each other.

More likely, though, the 70D will get Canon's 'new' 18mp sensor from the 650D.

EOS Bodies / Re: Lower Price Full Frame Camera [CR1]
« on: June 10, 2012, 02:15:01 PM »
Canon have basically dug themselves into a hole with the 5DIII specs and price:

  • If they are planning a more expensive model than the 5DIII with more MPs (say a 5DX), then this model will not be competitive with the D800 on price.
  • And if they are planning a lower-priced FF camera than the 5DIII with less MPs, then this model will not be competitive with the (rumored) D600 on megapixels.

So, it indeed appears that Canon's most sensible option for a lower-priced FF camera would be to put a higher MPs sensor (say 28-30mp) in a body with the 7D AF system.
This will provide enough differentiation from the pro-oriented 5DIII and will be competitive with the rumored D600.

... Except that they won't do it, IMO.  8) 8)

I think Canon will just wait for the D600 announcement and will reduce the 5DIII price.
As I've predicted many times, the 5DIII price will drop to $2999 this Christmas and $2499 the next.

So, there you have it: Canon's "entry level" FF camera will be the 5DIII @ $2499 at the end of next year.

After that, it's anyone's guess.
If the D600 is successful (very likely), Canon might respond ... eventually.
For now, though, the 5DIII will be Canon's only 'affordable' FF camera.

EOS Bodies / Which 7DII will you buy for $2000?
« on: June 10, 2012, 12:31:52 AM »
Come on, everyone, let's help Canon with the specs of the 7DII   ;) ;).

EOS Bodies / Re: Will there be a 7d2 at all?
« on: June 10, 2012, 12:23:29 AM »
Interesting question, you should do a poll yourself on this.

Hehe. I will.

EOS Bodies / Re: Will there be a 7d2 at all?
« on: June 09, 2012, 05:19:53 PM »
... will be aps-c with killer features at a significantly higher price

Ok, if given the choice, which of these two would you buy if both were priced at $2000:

  • 7DII with an improved 18mp/1.6x sensor, 10 fps, 61-points AF
  • 7DII with a 22mp FF sensor (same as the 5DIII), 5fp, 19-point AF system

EOS Bodies / Re: Will there be a 7d2 at all?
« on: June 09, 2012, 01:28:29 PM »
No 7DII at all (unless it's FF).

The upcoming firmware update is a clear sign that we won't see a 7DII at Photokina.
But the longer Canon waits for the 7DII, the less sense it makes to announce it in the first place.

The $2000 price range will be taken first by Nikon's D600.
Later, Canon will (very) reluctantly follow.

So, if a 7DII is ever announced, it will be a FF camera, not 1.6x.

What is the chance of firmware update for the 5d3 and 5d2 10fps ? :)

Don't know about the 5DII.
I heard a rumor, though, that Canon will have a firmware update to add additional megapixels to the 5DIII  :-* :-*.

I wonder if this means a delay in the release of the 7DII. 

It seems to me that the 7DII delay will be ... infinite  8).

Don't forget about the upcoming Nikon D600.
The longer Canon delays the 7DII, the less sense it makes to announce a 7DII in the first place.
Unless the 7DII gets a FF sensor, that is.

EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8 [CR3]
« on: June 08, 2012, 06:48:47 PM »

I think its a new sensor because the pixel masking necessary for phase-detect pixels has to be added underneath the microlensing, as the microlens is an important factor in making FPPD-AF work. That would require some degree of reengineering...even if it is relatively minor. There may also be additional activate/read wiring to read out only the phase-detect pixels for AF before activating the full sensor for an image readout.

Well, the sensor surely had to be tweaked to accommodate the hybrid AF and maybe other minor enhancements.

You surely cannot just plug-in a 7D sensor in the 650D and expect it to have hybrid AF.

But the underlying sensor architecture and technology appear to be the same.
Hence, the sensor will perform the same way (more or less) as the 600D/60D/7D sensors.

Or, as I put it in another post:
It's a brand new sensor ... with the same performance as the old one ;).

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