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Thanks, and it shouldn't be "for a change"...my points are always valid...there...yes I did say that! 

Heh. I mean to say that we are, for a change, in agreement - unlike other times, when we argue  8).

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If they want to turn a 6D2 into something very close to the current 5D3, and turn the 5D4 into an even higher spec camera...then they will know they're making the right call.  I just don't see that happening at all.

I see you point but there are other equally valid views as well.

Like I said, I'm waiting to see what happens to the 'entry level FF' concept.
Both Canon and Nikon will likely do some reshuffling of their FF lineups.
Just my opinion. We'll see.

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Just depends on what the market wants ...

Very good points overall and I do agree with them (for a change ;)).

Anyway, hard to tell how long the 6D will 'live'. 
It definitely won't be replaced next year but who knows what will happen after that.

My overall impression is that the 6D is not selling all that well (unless discounted).
And despite having better specs, Nikon's D600 is not faring better either.

So, we'll see what happens to the so called 'entry level' FF category in 2015.
Canon might decide that it's better for them to sell a higher-spec'd 6DII for $2500 - rather than the 'entry level' 6D.

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This sensor is made from canon line 2 , APS line and compact camera line, nothing difficult with that

At the CMOS/electronics level, the 70D sensor is a 40mp sensor.  You'd better accept that.

It's hard to believe that Canon has managed to make a 40mp sensor on their old 500nm process.
But there are no clear clues at this time to confirm whether Canon has indeed switched to a new process.

We'll surely find out, as I'm sure Chipworks is eager to put this new sensor under their microscopes.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 11, 2013, 06:56:52 PM »
Nah. They won't put a 24mp sensor in the 7DII.

Depends on what people it should appeal to - and more metapixies has consumer appeal

Yes, megapickles appeal to consumers.

The question is, is the 7DII supposed to be a consumer camera?

If yes, why should Canon put their 61-point pro AF system in a consumer camera - as many are asking here.
And if not, why should Canon appeal to consumers with a (noisy) 24mp sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 11, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »
RLPhotos official prediction for 7D2.

- 61 Point AF
- 24 MP APS-C
- 10 FPS

Pack those 3 key features in, and canon stole the semi-pro sports market again.

Agreed. I really hope it happens!

Nah. They won't put a 24mp sensor in the 7DII.
This is a sports body, remember.
Sports bodies favor ISO/noise over megapixels.

Here are my predictions:
  • 18mp, 1.5x crop factor
  • new AF system - but not the 1DX/5DIII AF system
  • 9fps

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 03:36:43 PM »
Timing could also depend on what Nikon is going to be doing with the D400.

I don't believe a word from anyone who says that Canon is waiting for Nikon to see what they do with the D400.

+1000

Canon's announcement dates are likely driven by their sales plans/schedules.

For this holiday shopping season, they will have the brand new 70D on sale - plus
a (slightly?) discounted 6D and a (heavily?) discounted 7D.

They are not announcing a 7DII this year simply because they don't seem to need it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 03:14:23 PM »
But I wouldn't be surprised if the 7D2 will have a 16-18 MP sensor. To be honest, I would even prefer a 16 MP 7D2 over a higher res one if this means better high ISO IQ, not to mention speed. After all, the 1Dx and the Nikon D4 are 18 and 16 MP, respectively, and none of their owners complain about this despite being both FF cameras, since both are geared for speed and highest IQ and those are the reasons for purchasing them, apart from build quality.

My thoughts exactly!

The 7D series is positioned as a sports body. So no 24mp sensor on the 7DII, that's for sure.

Lowering the resolution to 16mp might be too bold and controversial, so Canon might stick to 18mp after all.

Overall, though, Canon will most likely work to make the 7DII ISO better - and that, of course, rules out resolution increases.
For more resolution (plus good ISO), Canon offers FF cameras.

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Wise words as usual David. Hope you have a nice summer as we have.

+1

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The big unknown at this time is whether Canon will use the same sensor in the 7DII or not.

If the 7DII has the same sensor as the 70D, Canon will have a hard time, IMO, convincing people to spend more on the 7DII.
The 70D specs are quite good already, so why bother?

It would be a completely different story, though, if the 7DII has better image quality than the 70D.

So, it makes more sense for Canon to put a better sensor in the 7DII - but who knows what they will actually do.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Why can't the 70D be 40MP in regular mode?
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:55:45 PM »
The two "half-pixels" share the same front-lens so they probe the same spatial info and therefore are not increasing the spatial resolution. In order to double e.g. the horizonal resolution they would have to double the little frontlenses too but then they could not use it in the same way for phase contrast autofocus...

That makes sense.

Moving on, can you tell me about these little lenses? Are there literally 20million little tiny lenses?

Yes, there are.

And as already noted, these 20 million tiny lenses determine the image resolution - even though there's a 40mp sensor underneath.

The thing is, this 40mp sensor would have likely had quite poor image quality if it wasn't doing the 2->1 merging of signals.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 70D or 6D
« on: July 05, 2013, 09:46:21 PM »
I'm looking at either the 6D or the 70D when it comes out. 

Canon made the choice between the 70D and 6D quite difficult, IMO.

Without a doubt, the 70D is the more well-rounded and versatile camera. 
The 6D is a one trick pony: it has a FF sensor and ... that's it.

Of course the 6D will be the better camera in terms of image quality.
Canon stated themselves that at the RAW level, the 70D ISO performance will be 'on par' with that of the 60D.
The 6D has about a ~2 ISO stops advantage over the 60D, which it will obviously keep over the 70D as well.

So, if you decide to go with the 6D, you are obviously going to get better image quality.
But this will cost you more - and at the same time you'll be losing some fun and useful features.

Like I said, Canon made this a difficult choice.
Good luck with your decision.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D Next to Be Announced
« on: July 03, 2013, 03:10:38 PM »
its a new sensor but  probably build with the same design as all other APS , 24x36mm  sensors from Canon since 2004

We can't be sure.

At the CMOS/electronics level, the 70D sensor is a 40mp sensor, basically.
That seems way too many for Canon's old 500nm process - when even 18mp was pushing it.

I guess we'll find out when Chipworks puts the 70D sensor under the microscope.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 03, 2013, 01:40:54 PM »
IMO the "groundbreaking" aspect of the 7D2 will be an EVF.

Canon never said groundbreaking, actually.
In a January interview, Canon's camera boss said that 7DII will evolve in new territory.
English in not my first language but I sense a difference between 'evolve' and 'groundbreaking'  8).

The thing to consider is that if the 7DII just gets the new 70D sensor, it has already evolved in new territory - due to the expended AF system abilities for video.

My hope is that the 70D will use a sensor with better ISO capabilities than the 70D - even if this means reducing the number of MPs compared to the 70D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« on: July 02, 2013, 05:00:02 PM »
Yes, I know what you are saying.
The 70D appears to have the same dedicated AF processor as the 7D.

What is your evidence for that statement?  It's not mentioned in the video you linked which you earlier claimed said the 70D has the 7D's dedicated AF sensor (which it does). 

Sorry, I must have quoted the wrong source.

Because the dedicated AF processor is not advertised, I also assumed that the 70D doesn't have it.
But then it popped up in one the technical previews/articles that I've been reading since last night.
Right now I don't actually know which one was that. I thought it was in the video that I linked.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« on: July 02, 2013, 04:15:17 PM »
According to <this video> the 70D has the same dedicated AF sensor as the 7D.

The dedicated AF sensor, yes.  But we're talking about the dedicated AF processor, a separate chip on the logic board that processes the data from the AF sensor.  The 7D was the first body outside of the 1-series to have a separate AF processor, the 5DIII has one, as well.

Yes, I know what you are saying.
The 70D appears to have the same dedicated AF processor as the 7D.

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