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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: lcd display on 6d
« on: July 23, 2013, 12:37:26 PM »
I am not sure I understand the advantage of displaying on the LCD, a RAW file unprocessed.  What would you see?

You would see the real clipping, the blinking areas on the current cameras are only for jpeg and don't show how much highlights can be recovered from raw. Magic Lantern's raw zebras/histogram & auto-ettr is very helpful here, but even with that you cannot see the clipping *after* shooing because ml isn't able to re-read the raw from the card.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 23, 2013, 12:30:53 PM »
Japanese companies are blame/credit centric. Before the start of any project, a chain of blame (in the case of project failure) and credit (in case all works out well) has to be established. This is very time consuming.

Thanks a lot, I'll store this information in my permanent memory, it's always great to have people with professional experience disclose these things!

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Can you show us an example of when you needed the extra 2 or 3 stops? No really, I want to see. I have no clue what it looks like.

Constantly promoting specific Nikon products in a Canon forum might not be necessary, but I don't get the recent witchhunt for people wishing for more dynamic range ... of course it's useful in high contrast situations, even though even 2-3 stops more isn't enough to pull back all clipped highlights, but it sure would help.

Attached is some shot I recently wished for more dynamic range as it was a noon shot with clipped whites.

I thought shadows were meant to be black, doesn't it look fake if they're not?

If you really don't know the problem you're lucky and seem to be shooting completely different stuff to what I do. There's a difference between clipped shadows because of limited dr and deep shadows where *you* want them in postprocessing - or you should be happy with a mobile phone and half the dr of a current dslr because then images are  destined to look natural, aren't they? No, of course not, +100 contrast is as unnatural as raising shadows until there is the distinct fake "hdr" look.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 23, 2013, 11:49:08 AM »
There are no fab facilities that could produce this sensor (assuming a FF, not a super-FF). It takes at least 2 years, in the case of Japanese mfgs 3 years to get one into operation.

That sounds like educated information - could you please elaborate further why it takes so long from scratch to product? And why do Japanese take longer, extended holidays :-p ?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 70D features vs 60D
« on: July 23, 2013, 10:59:02 AM »
thanks for the feed back. I am a 60D guy at present.  was just wanting to get a feel of the others out there.

I've got a 60d, and my feeling is that adopting every new generation asap is not a good idea except if you need specific features (video af, wifi, touchscreen, afma). We don't know about the sensor yet, but everything else is very nice and all, but imho not worth the $$$ selling 60d / buying 70d at least for the starting price. And if you want tracking af, you'd better wait for the 7d2 anyway. Plus it takes 1/2-1 year for Magic Lantern to make it to newer cameras.

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Can moderator please get rid of the crap about Canon vs D800..

Please don't, I'm very grateful the mods in this forum don't "clean up" threads according to their perception of the topic, elsewhere I find this is ultra-annoying. Even with the good ok' Karma gone, CR posters seem to be able to steer a thread in meaningful bounds, or abandon it if it degrades to silliness after a long time which is also ok.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 23, 2013, 07:17:21 AM »
There will be NO camera with a 75+ megapixel FF sensor.
Shure?

He's a Canon beta tester and Canon probably would have parts of him cut off if they'd be an US company and just would have to ask the NSA for his identity :-p

Personally, I also guess that 75mp is too large a step for the current tech (lens sharpness, data rate, storage) and ~40mp is much more reasonable for the next gen. Remember we're not talking about specialized products here, but dslrs meant for general adoption.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 23, 2013, 06:34:05 AM »
Frankly, the relatively low pricing of the 70D should give some reassurance that the 7DII will likely come in comfortably under $2,000
Completely agree  8)

Maybe, maybe not - I don't think the 70d price is a sufficient indicator because here Canon don't have a choice, they have to counter the very competent d7100, even though the Canon's dual af tech is unique while Nikon very likely has the better af system. With a potential 7d2 Canon has much more freedom to act.

There's no reason to believe that the 7DII product positioning will change compared to that of the current 7D.

There is one reason: At  the time of the original 7d there was the aps-h 1d4 with more reach than a ff, now there isn't. If Canon also wants to target the former 1d4 customers they could go for more quality & more $$$.

To put it another way: if the 7DII is the 1DIV successor, what will be the 7D successor? This is a rhetorical question 8).

I'll answer it anyway :-p ... a successor of the 7d1 is the 70d with about the same af system and some gimmicks, just as they split up the 5d2 into a higher end successor (5d3) and a reduced cost version (6d).

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 22, 2013, 10:22:01 AM »
Maybe it escaped your notice - there are two 1D named products right now: the 1D X and the 1D C.

Some people would argue that these two camera models are essentially the same product with an added heatsink and modified fw :-p

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 22, 2013, 09:43:12 AM »
Canon would probably like it but they cannot expect all people to buy two camera bodies, one high-res, one high-fps.
Why not?

Because Nikon might try integrate their high-fps and high-mp lines, bless them :-)

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 22, 2013, 09:28:40 AM »
With dual Digic 6+, it might even hit 3 fps...   ;)

Don't you think Canon is able to add crop or s-raw modes that reduce the data rate before the bottlenecks?

With the (imho) inevitable trend towards higher resolution there has to be some basic/new research done in this direction ... Canon would probably like it but they cannot expect all people to buy two camera bodies, one high-res, one high-fps. You could counter this trend by introducing faster cpu cores and interfaces, but the question is if the current embedded tech is developing fast enough.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2013, 05:03:56 PM »
If the 7D II comes out with something like 24mp APS-C that improves ISO 100 noise, maybe uses a BSI design *with* split pixels like the 20.2mp sensor, and still offers everything else (10fps, 61pt AF, same durable body design and weather sealing of the 5D III), etc. Then I think it will clock in over $2000, maybe even $2500.

+1, my money (not that I have it) is also on a new sensor, a late release date and a $2500 price remembering of the interview I mentioned above.

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You'll find I'm correct about a lot of things

My, someone's take a lot of self confidence pills this morning :-> ... or do you have any professional/nda insight into Canon internals?

and don't compare 1.6x crop cameras to full frame.  The 6D's price on new units has fallen about as far as it ever will until its replacement is announced.

Big -1 ... it's dropping €25 every week and now reached nearly €1600, that's coming from €2100 at the start of the year when the 6d was just out. I'd wager the guess it will continue dropping like this to at least €1400 and Canon will still make a healthy profit looking at the build quality & components of the 6d.

Used units still holding up well, as I have stated a few times.

Same with 5d2, and that's discontinued - to me it seems L lenses and ff cameras simply have a high resale value, no matter what the current market position of new units is.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« on: July 20, 2013, 12:41:57 PM »
I've owned both the 60d and the 7d.  The 60d tracking capability should be called tracking inability... It doesn't touch the 7d.

Absolutely, I'd even say my/the 60d doesn't do "tracking" at all (nr do any of the 9pt af models) - they simply have "servo af" which does come handy if you want to do some snaps of a moving object and want the camera do do some linear prediction. But you cannot customize anything. the af doesn't lock on an object, it's really a legacy system and completely outdated by today's dlsr standard.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2013, 12:20:04 PM »
I have a feeling the new 7d Mk II won't come in too much different than the original 7D body

I'll do a price guess poll once the specs are out as a [CR3] or from Canon :-) ... but remember the $3500 5d3 which also is an "above mainstream" model, everybody was surprised to shocked then. And since you can save thousands of $$$ (and weight/bulk) by not buying 600mm lenses with a crop body, Canon might want to take a premium for the "top of the line" birding and semi-pro sports model.

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