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EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 29, 2012, 11:13:42 AM »
My guess is that it may well be another camera that nobody is buying.

We could take bets ... my guess is that the 6d will be sold a lot because...

... a) the dust-collector d600 has problems, too (and much worse low-light af)

... b) the current 5d3 price is simply and subjectively too much money for a lot of people in comparison to a lens you can get for the difference (or do other meaningful things)

... c) If you want to shoot @iso1600+ with Canon ff is still the way to go, the 7d2 next year might very well trade in more mp for still more noise.

So if you don't want to us tracking a lot, don't need the advanced features and customization of the 5d3 I don't see much against it, well, except for the Canon-like price.

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Reviews / Re: Review - Canon EF 100 f/2.8L IS Macro
« on: November 28, 2012, 11:04:42 AM »
"Hybrid is every bit as useful as conventional IS in a myriad of circumstances, possibly even slightly better,  but additionally it is useful at 1:1 or near 1:1 focusing distances, where conventional IS loses about half to 3/4 of its effectiveness".

Even correctly quoted :-) I would definitely dispute the last part - I've got the 100mm non-L and L with IS and feel safe enough to make the statement that nearing 1:1 the effect of IS rapidly degrades to nearly non-existent.

This has been discussed n-times before and I don't want to repeat it here, but I'd invite everyone who chooses the 100L because of the IS for macro and over other macro lenses: See for yourself, do the same handheld shots with and without IS a couple of times and compare - even just looking through the viewfinder it is instantly obvious that the nearer the object is, the less stabilizing effect IS has (but it makes a reassuring sound :-)). The 100L is a great macro lens, but the IS works best (or at all) for distances of 10-15cm+ (end of lens to object) or dual use as a portrait lens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D pricing... so much difference worldwide
« on: November 28, 2012, 10:07:12 AM »
Why is there so much difference on the pricing of the Canon 6D? Some countries really get a raw deal.

In Germany it's €1998 on Amazon which is pretty reliable at matching the lowest non-shady online price. That's certainly not great, but not bad enough to wait a year for it to drop significantly - in absolute €€€ terms the devaluation cannot be as large as fast as with the 5d3.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D manual is ready to download
« on: November 28, 2012, 10:02:29 AM »
Are the 6D AF field better than the 9 of the 60D?

Sadly, no - the 6d has no real cross sensor _at_all_, even the center one is a "hybrid" type like on the 5d2 and the other ones are non-cross, too. The second difference is that the af spread on full frame is smaller than on a crop sensor. That doesn't mean that the 6d has to be bad at af esp. with the center point - but we need in-depth real world reviews.

PS: I doubt the non-wifi version will be available in Germany - the combined wifi/gps chip probably costs about €1 as a part and it's more likely the cut-down version is for countries that don't allow radio - that's why there is a non-radio version of the 600rt flash, too.

EOS 6D manual is ready to download.

I read through the manual and it's really a full frame 60d, but this time with afma with two settings for zoom lenses. That's why the manual is rather short and unimpressive, the wifi manual takes up more space :-p

And they added "orientation linked af point" from the 5d3 :-> ... either this is a joke or Canon really expects people to shoot with the outer points on the 6d.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Possible positive 6D surprise? Should I wait?
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:55:56 PM »
If you choose based on the metering, AF, ergos, etc... the 5D3 is vastly superior.

... and it should be for €1000 more. As for ergonomics, the size/layout is really a personal choice (but of course the 5d3 has more ergo features), concerning the af no one tested it yet and it's really about what you shoot (very low-light or not) and metering is exactly the same on 5d3 & 6d.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon 5D Mark III Body for €2.846,97 at Amazon.de
« on: November 27, 2012, 06:25:07 AM »
Canon 5D Mark III Body
UVP (Suggested retail price) Germany: €3.299
Amazon.de: €2.846,97 (- €452,03 / 14%)

I'm watching the Amazon price, too - maybe Canon wants to meet the 6d price once it's released? :->

I guess the reason is that now people who don't want the older 5d2 and think that the 5d3 is still overpriced (or just don't want to pay €3000 for a camera body) wait for the 6d - and pros and rich people already got the 5d3, so both reasons combined means a lot less demand.

What I always wonder about how much a camera shop would rebate the price of a 5d3+24-70ii combination = net price ~€4900 - any idea? I have no clue and thus would fail to haggle.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Possible positive 6D surprise? Should I wait?
« on: November 27, 2012, 02:58:19 AM »
Prices generally do not go up, so waiting should not hurt financially.

Only true for camera bodies (ok, this thread is about the 6d) and only if inflation's not kicking in or your part of the world goes broke and your currency drops - so watch the news :-p

As for the 6d, I can think of exactly 1000 1€-reasons why I should at least wait for the real reviews - the sensor seems to be mostly the same as in the 5d3, maybe with a little better noise - but often that doesn't help that much because of dynamic range deterioration.

The big question is how *precise* the center point af will be, esp. with faster lenses (like f2.8+) and a smaller dof where missing the focus really shows - af'ing at near darkness or low light is less amazing if it's a close miss in 25% of the cases. The af precision is not only a hardware issue, but the firmware has a part too esp. if the less-precise non-center points are used for helpers for the center one.

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VerdictThis 2nd 5D3 replacement body AF WORKS.

But I understand it's your 1st replacement, but 2nd 5d3 body :-> ? ... anyway, things tend to get more confusing with more data w/o a scientific approach, and the latter is hard to achieve in these cases.

To sum it up: If what you're writing is correct, that means your 600rt is working fine but for the 5d3 this means the possibility of broken hardware: either randomly, semi-randomly by timebomb (deterioration of some part) or systematically (that's what you get as an early adopter :-p ... but maybe people should post their rough serial# and purchase date).

I fear to work this out we need someone with a broken and a working 5d3 camera body at the same time or at least shooting the exact same situations and memorizing/noting what the exact difference is with what lenses, lighting conditions and focal distances :-\


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Lenses / Re: Kenko TC - 2 models - which one to buy?
« on: November 26, 2012, 03:00:05 AM »
The problem is that there is no list of which lenses work with the Kenko TC, or which new lenses may be incompatible.   As far as I know, this only happens with the 5D MK III, but may also happen on the 1D X.
I had hoped to use the TC with my 100L, I prefer a little more magnification at times.

You tested the Kenko 1.4x *DGX* with a/the red dot, correct? ... and which fw version did you on the 5d3? when the tc didn't work?

The problem is that other people have gotten it to work,  and Kenko themselves have stated it is (or was?) compatible:

We have checked all lenses you mentioned with Canon 5D Mark 3 and Teleplus PRO300 DGX 1.4x Canon.
And we haven't any problems in these combinations.
 Canon 135 f/2L
Canon 85 f/1.2L II
Canon 100 f/2.8 L
Canon 35 f/1.4 L

... but again all the different reports make me think that Kenko does silent updates on their tc firmware to make it compatible with newer camera bodies but w/o notifying customers so that they don't have to dump their "old" tcs - it should have an usb port like the new Sigma lenses :-o

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Just tried the 70-200/2.8L IS II on the 1D X with the 600EX-RT.  Still locks very quickly

I'm obviously talking from the top of my head here (but we're all speculating, and this issue is important to me concerning which ff to get) ... but the 1dx has simply more raw computing power, so maybe it just can calculate the af quicker even though there is less information to work with (weaker af beam)? Or it really is a broken firmware on the 5d3 which will be fixed asap.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 24, 2012, 03:51:46 PM »
I own a 60D and I actually prefer the 60D buttons (those beside the top LCD) compare to 7D buttons. One button, one function... clean and simple.  ;D

Some people or companies think that computer mice with two buttons confuse people - for me I'd like more functions to be available next to the lcd, but it's hardly essential for me.

The thing I really like about the 60d layout is that I can do nearly everything with the right hand, and I'm ok with the multicontroller (I have never used a joystick camera body) - so if the 6d builds on this Rebel-type layout it might not be pr0 but it seems to work for a lot of people, including me.

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I just did some more tests in semi dark rooms. The beam at distance was not all that bright and it sure does expand in width at 15-20ft as opposed to 5 feet.

That makes sense - the brighter 580ex-type beam is widened on the 600rt+5d3 to cover all af points, but at range gets weaker thus generating the af lag. That would also explain why some people in this thread reported the 70-200/2.8 to be esp. bad at af'ing - it has the highest lens catergory, uses the most af points and has the highest precision, it could just be that the tradeoff is that it would needs even more af beam light to do it properly with af assist?

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Lenses / Re: "Native" ISO... is it real and does it make a difference
« on: November 24, 2012, 03:41:42 AM »
Wow thanks for all the info everybody.  I am interested in magic lantern but still kind of nervous to put it on my camera.  I know lot of people who use it with no problems but I have heard the occasional account of cameras getting messed up from it.

Don't get affected by the FUD - *stable* versions of ML are what they say - stable. I know because I ran it as pre-release on my 60d and it has issues than just like now on the 5d3 *alpha* builds - but that's what you'd expect from pre-release software. If you're on 5d3, just wait for the stable version (and donate so you support the effort).

No user has managed to brick his/her camera by ml stable unified (or it would have been reported), the worst thing that could happen (but doesn't) is that it locks up - in that case pull the battery out and put it back again, done. Believe me, you're missing out big w/o running ml which is the only reason I'm sticking with Canon (well, and because I've been using it since 1990).

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EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 24, 2012, 01:37:10 AM »
For the camera, if you update you location e.g. every 30-60 seconds, that doesn't affect the battery too much.

I hope there is a firmware feature that lets the user adjust the gps tracking tradeoff power/precision - because you might not move far in 60s, but it can still be important/interesting to know where you where exactly, gps has this precision.

As for indoor tracking: This is a software issue too and the gps fw needs to be smart enough not to constantly try to reach the satellites indoors but go from the last known precision afterwards (or after being switched off). But I wonder if Canon really put work into this and not simply attached your standard combined wifi/gps chip to the pcb so that gps is more a side-effect of wifi.

I fear for the worst, because they didn't implement directional logging - and knowing where the camera is pointing is the on big advantage on/in-camera gps has over a low-power dedicated & precise logger in your pocket. And dedicated trackers have a-gps so you can pre-load coordinates to the unit which makes the first fix *much* faster esp. on cloudy days, the camera might take minutes for that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 23, 2012, 03:58:01 PM »
all new DSLR´s have issues so what will it be?

I've got another one even not that far-fetched: The battery will only last 30min with gps and wifi enabled + shooting with a IS lens...

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