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I don't consider them good enough or I'd have one.  I would not buy a Fuji or Sony, at least, not yet.  A camera for me is only part of a complete system, which includes hardware, software, and support.  All three need to be top notch for me to buy in.

I can agree about support likely being an issue, these are all, so far, fairly small players in this segment.
FWIW, my Fuji XT1 light leak issue was repaired and back to me in just over a week, slow shipping included.  No experience or need with the other ML yet.

If you need more lenses, Fuji's got you pretty well covered already, MFT lenses are plentiful and Oly has some really nice pro ones in the pipe.  sony... well, there's lots of adapters.  ???

Software... what you need?  Everything's covered well enough right now, tho it may require a workflow mod with is too tedious a change for some users.  I can use jpgs from the Fuji for most things, Oly raw I run thru DNG converter and use with LR3.

Flashes...  3rd party for Fuji if you need big stuff, otherwise their little ones are fairly effective for light (oops, pun) work.  I haven't looked at the Oly or Panasonic lineup.  Since I mostly shoot outdoors or natural light this is of little importance.  When I shoot with lights it's full manual, so I'm using a Canon flash on my Olympus, works fine.

So it's all already here to a good extent, but perhaps not enough for a working pro in some ways.

get's interesting around 14:15

it's not too visual, can listen to it in the background for the most part

Mirrorless is good enough for most shooting already.  Has been for a few years if you consider how well Fuji's X Pro and XE1 work.
Recent upgrades from all major players have mirrorless abilities on par with similar cost class SLRs while providing a much more informative display.
EVF lag is not that big a deal, it's minimal, keep your other eye open for critical shot timing.
Focus speed is fast and it's precise.
If you haven't played with the latest crop of advanced ML bodies to see just how well they perform, you might be surprised when you do.
I now shoot mainly ML and only take out the SLRs when I know their benefits will matter.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 31, 2014, 03:19:25 AM »
Maybe someone with more technical knowledge can chime in, but my understanding is that the effects of read noise diminish as ISOs go up.  I've read (can't recall where) that lifting shadows becomes roughly equal between D8x0 and 5D3 somewhere between ISO800 and ISO1600.

Again, this is not my personal experience, and I can't cite you a source.  If you have access to both cameras maybe you could post side-by-side samples at ISO1600.

you can see how the d800's shadows are much cleaner than the 5d3's up to iso 800.  The d800's read noise takes a sudden jump at 1600 so it's similar to the 5d3.  All are pushed 4 stops so you can easily visualize the noise patterns.

Neuro, if you think you have a better, faster way to demonstrate read noise, spit it out.
Constantly trolling with snark about lens cap on shots for this purpose is just dumb and frankly, makes you look bad if you can't top the technique.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: will the samsung NX1 steal the show?
« on: August 31, 2014, 02:53:37 AM »
Friend of mine loves his Samsung mirrorless... ???

OTOH, way back, I got a Samsung mono laser printer cuz the HP model spewed sh*tty software all over my OS.
The Samsung one had a minor bug when printing PDFs from classic mac OS, but not OS X. (x or y was slightly off scale so a 4x4 inch square would be something like 4 x 3.7)
I emailed them with a full description of the bug... I got a fixed driver emailed back to me in less than 2 days!
It's been working ever since.
now the HP did have a better print quality.. but the Sammy software was much better, especially after it was fixed.

Don't know if they have service like that now...

Lenses / Re: Permanent price drops
« on: August 30, 2014, 02:26:56 PM »
so.... sales have slowed and they want to spur some activity?
or their profits are SO good they want to offer us a bit of a gift?

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 02:20:43 PM »
Pity there are no Nikon counterparts to my MP-E 65, handholdable 600/4, or the TS-E 17mm that's next on my to-buy list.  :P

True, I would also like the extreme macro and TS lenses...
so, if I want them enough, I'll buy them and use them on a Canon body, or adapted to a Sony or other short-register mirrorless.  FPN and DR rarely are issues with macro, tho I'd want that TS lens on an Exmor-based body for landscapin' cuz my pictures let the sun shine in (frame)
face it with a  ;D
open up your aperture and LET THE SUN SHINE IN!  :D

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 01:31:55 PM »
810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor".   Frame rate...5DIII > D810.  AF system...5DIII > D810.

frame rate is not that big a deal for many uses
if you think 1 extra fps is significant on a general purpose FF, that's fine. 5fps is enough for me, even 4 fps is adequate.
I'm not trying to photograph a hummingbird's armpits.

as for the AF system, perhaps you didn't learn to make good use of Nikon's 3D tracking (with subject color?) where the high resolution metering sensor is providing focus tracking guidance to the PDAF system.  With the 810's group AF feature added this should provide a very good hit rate for erratically moving targets, or poor motion tracking skills.

I can only visualize your testing of a D810 by handling it much like I'd handle my grandson's loaded diaper.  :P

Just got one for my MFT mount Oly E-M10.  I'm really looking forward to making some images with this thing.
For a mere $220, delivered, this has to be the undervalued lens deal of the year!
It's corner-to-corner sharp, wide open, on MFT.  Not sure how it fares on the NEX.

I thought the moderate 2.8 aperture would be a bit of a bokeh handicap but it's likely to be just fine for most of the shots I'll use it for and the bokeh is looking pretty smooth on the few scenes I've composed with it so far.
Min focus distance is about enough to make  a bit more than the palm of my hand fit the whole frame.
It even includes a nice nylon carrying case and a hood.

If you've been craving the impressive performance of the Olympus 75mm f/1.8 but balk at the cost, this is a lot more affordable and darn near as sharp if you check the charts on DxOmark.

Some outlining and a bit of onionskin on out of focus highlites is the worst thing I can see about its performance. 
AF is quick and almost silent, likely suitable for video even with in-camera mic's.

It's not very large physically either, tho it is a bit odd looking with the smooth finished barrel, all of which is an MF ring.

I recommend it, good value for the money, especially at this price.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:13:31 PM »
Yeah, the shutter/mirror slap on the 5D III is pretty amazing. Even close up, it isn't really loud. It's actually got a somewhat complex sound, a mix of a slap, a thud, and a "clink"...maybe the sounds together help cancel each other out and that's what minimizes noise. Either way, it's MUCH more pleasant than the 7D slap.

..  and far better than the barn-door-in-a-gale whack of the 5d2.

Landscape / Re: Blue Hour scenes
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:10:28 PM »
I really like this picture. Nicely done Aglet.
I might get all photoshop on it tho, if I get motivated.  because of obstacles I was not able to position myself exactly where I wanted to be to juxtapose the foreground and background elements into better positions.  So I may be tempted to move some things to create a better overall balance.  but I was happy to get something decent as a starting point.

EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:07:12 PM »
So you are asserting that you get "crisper" shots from the D800 at 3200iso, and 1/6 second @ f4.5 handheld than you did from the Canon at 200iso, and 1/400 second @ f8 (sunny 16 exposure for "bright sunlight")  with the 70-200 f2.8 IS MkII? Or just over EV1 with no contrast compared to EV12 with great contrast.

nope, that's not what I said

That makes no sense.

that's cuz it's not what I said.  You're trying to pull my statement into la-la-land to make it look absurd.

I just happened to supply a 1 stop slower shutter example at 3200iso as it's still sharp enough to print large and look good even if standing closer than "normal viewing distance" for that size print.
At base to 400 or 800 iso, and as slow as 1/15s with my 70-200 @ 200mm, I can still get very crisp images.  So I'm not up to listening to anybody's nonsense that Nikon lenses can't supply enough sharpness to be used by a 36MP sensor or that there's so much vibration without using a tripod and MLU that you can't still obtain a crisp shot.

Also, if you are happy to print at 153dpi I understand why we have these differences of opinion.

what's wrong with 150 PPI (not dpi) for a 48" print?
how close do you expect to be viewing it from?
HAHA!  or are you not a pixel-peeper until it's on paper? :P

You can search my attachments history for some of mine if you are interested.

done, jeez, I wish I'd have started from the recent end!
Aweful lot of educational (kudos t' you for that) and documentary stuff to wade thru before finding some of your T-S shots this month.  Competent enough images, but subjectively, for me, they just don't tickle my art bone.

EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 29, 2014, 09:32:46 PM »
We're not, we are asking for a demonstration of the actual achievable resolution differences when handheld and when using AF.

As JR said, there's so many variables it can become entirely subjective.
FWIW, I've had handheld AF shots from my 800e with 70-200mm f/4 VR at 200mm that are as crisp at 15th second (yes, low light) as I was getting my my 5d2 and 70-200 f/2.8 L IS 2 in bright sunlight (likely 1/400s @ f8)
Used with good glass and technique, even handheld, the ability to get very high resolution images from the d800 series is not all that difficult.  The 810's mirror action is even smoother, which should help a bit more.

Having seen your work, I doubt it.

I'l show you mine..

now show me yours.  :P
BTW, the image linked above was at 1/6s, not 1/15.  It'd print comfortably up to 48" high before I'd consider tweaking pixels.  Oh, and there was a slight shadow lift too, as the foreground was too dark for my liking and I wanted a more gradual gradient.

Landscape / Blue Hour scenes
« on: August 29, 2014, 09:25:52 PM »
on a late evening drive home in Alberta, conditions were right for a lovely ground fog to form.  Wasn't equipped for night shooting, tripod was at home, but still managed to get a few variations of a fog-shrouded pastoral scene with enough color left in the sky to create an interesting silhouette of a lone tree.  This was my favorite of the group.

The camera direction was NNW almost an hour after sunset.
Hand-held, 200mm with VR, 3200 ISO, 1/6 th second at f/4.5 = sharp enough.
Minimal processing via ACR from raw.
Full EXIF is included in the image.

Photography Technique / Re: Is RAW worth it?
« on: August 29, 2014, 08:30:54 PM »
I'm gonna throw a mirrorless spanner into this gearbox.
I find it a lot easier to nail my shot with my Fuji's since I can not only tweak most jpg settings in the camera but the tone curve as well AND see it live on its EVF. 
Not as much as you can manipulate a raw file in post but I can often use the jpg results from my fuji as-is unless I want to make some other creative mod.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Perfect Sensor
« on: August 29, 2014, 02:56:55 PM »
OMG, the levels of philosophical BS predicting the detriment of creativity brought on by better tools is amazing.

art is the product of the artist and their tools, expanding either one increases the possibilities.

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