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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Under-Exposing?
« on: August 15, 2013, 06:30:42 PM »
Good to hear the 7D2 is reliable and accurate. That's going to keep a lot of people happy in the future  ;)

HAHA!  Good of you to jump on that typo (fixed).
so many multigenerational devices...
Still hoping a 7d2 is going to be impressive for more than its forebear's metering.

Meanwhile, back to metering SNAFUs...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Under-Exposing?
« on: August 15, 2013, 04:19:57 PM »
I've found various bodies to expose with various levels of error, no real surprise.

What I find more annoying tho, is an inconsistent error on any given body.

E.G.
new Pentax K52s with fast zoom and sunlight.
- matrix metering is within 1/3 of Sekonic
- CWA and Spot on the same uniform surface are -1EV from matrix

I thot this may be due to the effect of lens corner shading in matrix EXCEPT that if I move to an indoor location, again on a smooth surface evenly lit by natural outside light thru windows, all metering modes are now the same result!

FWIW, my K52s underexposes considerably and inconsistently when outdoors in sunlight, no matter what metering mode I use and even sunny-16 numbers do not provide proper results but are often nearly 2 stops under...  I need to get that thing checked out...  I can usually rely on full manual giving consistent results but I have to go by the histogram as the metering's too wonky.  Same behavior with various lenses so not sure what its problem is yet, aperture control lever calibration?..  Have to find some time for detailed testing.

Meanwhile..

My D800 does the same -1EV shift in sunlight when changing between metering modes as the K52s but its matrix mode does a very good job for all my shots and rarely under or over exposes by much in complex scenes and is predictable in low dynamic range shots.

My old Canon 5d2 often underexposed a great deal and again, inconsistently.  It occasionally over exposed a scene grossly too, even with no change of scene and from shot to shot.  Manual was the only way to get consistent shot-to-shot results.

my 60D and 7d gave remarkably accurate and consistently good metering (&WB) and also agreed very well with my Sekonics or sunny-16 when in manual. 40d gives consistent and predictable metering, even if not accurate.

All my consumer grade bodies, Canon and Nikon, actually seem to meter quite predictably and consistently, if a little conservative at times so they rarely clip highlites or underexpose by much.

So...  not surprised to hear that a 6D underexposes a bit.
But how consistent is it between metering modes and various light levels?
and shot-to-shot on the same scene?

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Third Party Manufacturers / TAMRON AIMING FOR 3 DAY SERVICE TURN-AROUND
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:34:20 AM »
Their latest lenses are IQ competitive with the best OEM and the performance/cost ratio is very good too.

I've never experienced tardy service from Canon Canada but if Tamron's trying to make 3 day turn-around service on their lenses that's gonna be a bit irksome to the likes of Canon and Nikon who will only expedite service for their paid-up pro members.

story found on I-R

www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/08/14/tamron-puts-an-end-to-the-warranty-repair-blues-with-speedy-turnaround-pled

Has anyone else seen this announced anywhere?

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Pentax K-01 or any of the recent Fuji X series will kick butt for low ISO DR.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 70D what do you think?
« on: August 09, 2013, 01:19:31 PM »
The noise has never bothered me in these things it has always been the banding.

EXACTLY
I'd have kept my 5d2 and 7d if it were not for the plaid/stripes.
FWIW, the 5d2 felt pretty crude in some ways anyway so I certainly don't miss it as much as the 7d.

I'm also interested in seeing whether the outer area of the 70d sensor that is NOT dual-sensel equipped will provide a slightly different noise pattern than the main area.
I can sometimes make out the crop area of my d800's sensor IF I do things just right and push it really hard from a dark frame shot; and that's not as much of a structural difference as dual vs single sensels.

I'll do a lens cap shot as soon as I can get my hands on a 70d.  I'd like to see how much better it may be than my 60d in terms of FPN.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: More body upgrade from 40d questions???
« on: August 08, 2013, 06:11:55 PM »
100-400 is a decent lens, certainly worked well on a 7D but a little less effective on my 40D.
60D works OK with it but falls between 40 and 7 in performance and accuracy from my experience with those combos.
I'd certainly consider the new 70-300L tho, it just wasn't around when i bought the 100-400mm.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6d focusing screen comparison please
« on: August 08, 2013, 06:08:33 PM »
I used the Eg-D in my 5d2.
I preferred having the lines in the viewfinder as a composition aid, they helped me get my horizons closer to horizontal or to better balance wide angle shots where vertical lines were tilting inwards and looked better if balanced. :)
I'd recommend it.
I pulled it out before I sold my 5d2 so I could use it in a 6D if I bought one.

i merely used live view instead of the Eg-S to really see what I was getting.  Tho that sometimes had me with a big black blanket to block out bright ambient light so I could better see the display.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: More body upgrade from 40d questions???
« on: August 07, 2013, 02:28:22 AM »
40d is a great older camera, I still use mine for various types of shooting.
60d is a wee bit better in that the extra resolution can come in handy for landscapes and I like the flip screen for close-up work sometimes.  It's also got better hi ISO performance than the 40d; you could use 3200 if you needed to.
7d gets you an improved AF system and faster frame rate but can have limitations in image quality compared to the previous two for landscape shots. (many 7d's have rather noisy shadow areas if you do any significant shadow push in post)

You've got some good glass already, and I agree with pj1974's lens recommendations and advice.

Canon's 10-22 is a good UWA crop zoom lens (I had one, liked it) and so is Sigma's 10-20mm variable aperture one (I have it and like it too) for less money.

I'd keep using your 40d and develop your skills while waiting to see how the new 70d performs and maybe even wait until next year to see how the 7d2 will perform.

So, this is essentially what I'm doing too; I sold my 7d and my 5d2 while they had good resale value and and kept my 40d and a 60d while I wait to see if the newest bodies will actually be significant and worthwhile upgrades.
I'd really like an improved version of the 7d with better image quality, reduced raw file noise and maybe even an AF system with more AF points like the 5d3.
The 6D with 24-105mm kit is tempting, and quite good, but I've moved to the competition to better meet my full frame requirements.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Camera Sales Down in Q2, Imaging Revenue Up
« on: August 04, 2013, 01:32:40 PM »
What happens when your camera DOES stop functioning, and results are impossible?

backup bodies cover that

I wouldn't haul a D800 out for anything action related.

yes, it's a little slow on fps but so's a 5d2.  most of my subject matter only moves when the wind blows. :)
I kept a 7d for speed until I dumped it last year. Waiting to see what a 7d2 will be like, or even the 70d. 40d, 60d, and some old rebels still back some Canon glass for now but rarely get used.
For everything else, d800/5100 and k52s work just fine and I no longer have to deal with dreaded pattern noise.

I DO miss the 7d when trying for BIF shots, especially in low light.

But that's the thing, I select my gear for specific kinds of shooting.
If I wanted an all-round, general-purpose body I'd have to make compromises...
I don't like compromises.

File sizes are not an issue either. I capture a small jpg with each raw, use those for a quick catalog to review shots to select for post.
Most post software will also allow you to batch-process so if you have at least a reasonably capable computer, you can continue to edit while running a batch.

So, other than limited fps, but not significantly different from previous canon FF, I've not heard of any significant impediments to using a d800 in the real world.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Camera Sales Down in Q2, Imaging Revenue Up
« on: August 03, 2013, 01:57:28 PM »
..Making a brand choice comes down to more than hardware offerings, hardware quality, etc.

While that's true I don't make a purchasing choice based primarily on how something is likely to fail and be repaired.
I need results more than some sense of long term security so I can afford to choose accordingly.

I've also had good experiences with Canon when it comes to service and support. (Tho they asked me to keep quiet when I found a significant bug in their DPP software)

I've also had good experience with Nikon service and support, altho they had to finally acknowledge that they could not fix the d5100's tilt issue. (module replacement only, no fine adjustment possible)

I'm still interested in what sort of real-world limitations the D800 may have that some people have hinted at but not substantiated. I haven't found any in my use of them.  There was only a learning curve of getting used to how they do some things differently.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Camera Sales Down in Q2, Imaging Revenue Up
« on: August 03, 2013, 02:14:10 AM »
the D800 series had too many real life usability issues..

I'd love to know what these are, just so I might avoid running into them.
I don't have to rely on my d800/e to make a living, I like using them because they get me the shot I want with a more maleable raw file than anything else. So I'm very curious about what you find to be, "real life usability issues."  IMO, they're the least-compromised and most affordable high quality imaging machine available for my needs.

..moved away from Nikon because of its terrible QC and some hugely hurting design flaws in the D600 and D800 bodies.

I think all mfrs have had their share of QC issues, perhaps Nikon a bit more visibly so lately, but I've had nothing worse than one oil droplet show up on a d800's sensor and the d5100's do regularly vex me with misaligned mirrors that cause tilted shots compared to the viewfinder yet some people will say that's nitpicking.  I don't like the d600's merely because of how they (don't) fit my hand.
I've not had any AF or other issues in my early model d800s; they work so well they make me smile when I use them.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 24, 2013, 03:28:11 PM »
There's no perfect system for everything, which is why I use 3 of the majors (I'm a PentNikCan shooter).  It's taken some time to learn them all and get used to their individual pros and cons but it's been enlightening, worthwhile, and enjoyable for me.

Where I have to give Canon top kudos is their user manuals.
At least all the english ones I've read.

They're much better written, IMO, than the Nikon and Pentax manuals I've read within the last few years.  (I haven't had a recent Panasonic or Sony to compare.)
If a new user takes the time to completely read a Canon manual, cover-to-cover, they'd learn a LOT, even if they aren't using a Canon camera.

For this reason, I can still recommend Canon to a new user, they'd likely find it a less frustrating and more intuitive introduction to DSLR shooting.  Someone with more experience would do well, possibly better, with one of the alternatives, depending on what their intent was for such gear.

This kind of thing can result in more sales. and, once in, likely repeat customers.
Mfrs should really give more thought to how well their manuals are written - that's if the buying demographic still READS paper manuals...  All too often I see questions on various forums that are well documented in the basic user manuals.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 23, 2013, 04:00:32 AM »

Good sensors yes, and yet they consistently sell less than Canon...
sales ≠ superiority
Longevity maybe (beta vs vhs?)

If Nikon could actually build a decent body, with decent ergonomics and UI to put that sensor in, they could become a threat to Canon's market position.

Nothing wrong with Nikon bodies, ergonomics are different, not necessarily inferior. Canon isn't necessarily the superior one here either.  I really prefer my Pentax K52s and D800 ergo to MOST Canon's.  OTOH, I can't stand Nikon's D600 or D7x00 series ergo.

Have to agree about the UI tho, looks like someone who can't speak english or think clearly put together the darn menus in most of their cameras...  They're nowhere near as intuitive as other mfr's UI like Canon, Panasonic or Pentax.

  Although they'd need to work on their lenses too, the only shining point in that lineup is the 14-24/2.8, admittedly great, but beyond that they don't have anything notable.
Really?  the 14-24 is pretty good but has its flaws.
note the performance of the recent 70-200/4 VR, it's PDG!
Again, their lenses don't always perform the same as Canon's, neither do Pentax.  That makes them more different than anything.  I've found that all 3 major mfrs have very good lenses and some that are not so good.
It's not all about ultimate sharpness and lack of CA, those are very important, but so are appealing bokeh and little details like (micro-)contrast and handling.

I do not think your anti-Nikon arguments are solidly conclusive, they're more like your personal opinion.
Which you're entitled to express. ;)
Until about 2 years ago, I would have been inclined to strongly agree with your opinion.
What a difference a gear (change) or 2 makes.

And nikon lenses mount funny.  ;D

I'll give you that!  ???
2 CW systems and one CCW that I use, the Nikon way to mount lenses just feels backwards.
but it still holds the lens on.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Upgrading from the Rebel XSi: Perpetual indecision
« on: July 20, 2013, 03:49:30 AM »
XSi's a good little camera, I still keep a couple of them around even after selling a 60D and my 7D (&5d2) that underwhelmed.

Nothing wrong with staying with a crop body for most shooting; e.g. the 60D performs quite a lot better than the XSi for high ISO and AF is tad better.
You may want to give strong consideration to the new 70D.  It'll have the old 7D's AF which was pretty decent and much better and more versatile than the XSi's.  You'll have a swivel screen and video, faster shooting and many more things which will be useful.

If the 70D isn't hampered by Canon's usual (fixed pattern) low-iso noise issues is may be your best option with most features-bang/buck.

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Lenses / Re: Sigma 18-35mm 1.8
« on: July 18, 2013, 02:50:04 AM »
Needless to say, mines just been ordered :)

I'll have to see bokeh quality first, and the optical stabilization of the OEM lens can more than make the difference in handheld shooting at times.

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